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[rob mafia]

But it has RGB.

 

[Madmick]

Mid-year AMD Ryzen refresh all-but confirmed... but it's no gaming panacea

The Ryzen 9 3900XT and Ryzen 7 3800XT have made their debut appearance within the 3DMark database.

As unexpected as they may be, new AMD Ryzen 'Matisse Refresh' processors have now been all-but confirmed. Two chips, the Ryzen 7 3800XT and Ryzen 9 3900XT, have been spotted by serial leaker TUM_APISAK on the 3DMark database, which heavily alludes to the existence of a full compliment of Ryzen 'XT' branded processors.

We don't have all the details regarding the components or the state of the processor just yet. The Ryzen 7 3800XT manages a 3DMark Fire Strike physics score of 25,135, which is not all that dissimilar to the Ryzen 7 3800X with an average of 24,190.

The marginal performance gain may be due to the disparity in rumoured clock speed and that which is reported within the benchmarks—both the 3800XT are 3900XT are lagging a little behind the initial rumoured specs and are only reported with a 100MHz clock speed increase -- but that score is also not that far off what we would expect from a minor clock speed bump.

If the first glance is accurate, this is definitely not a refresh worth waiting for. If one isn't buying a 3700X or 3900X now, it's Zen 3 or bust.

 

[jefferz]

The next Windows update will be rolling out DX12 Ultimate.

Mid-year AMD Ryzen refresh all-but confirmed... but it's no gaming panacea

If the first glance is accurate, this is definitely not a refresh worth waiting for. If one isn't buying a 3700X or 3900X now, it's Zen 3 or bust.

It makes no sense for them to put out a refresh this close to a September launch.
I think AMD will wait until the XT's launch and then they'll announce Zen 3 is coming out next year in 2021 on 5nm. They'll use the normal marketing hype like we're on the bleeding edge of technology blah blah blah to sell the XT chips.

 

[Madmick]

DX12 was launched in July, 2015, and nearly five years later, here's the entire, pitiful list of 79 games supported by it:
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DirectX_12_games

Meanwhile, it doesn't even improve performance in some of these games in 2020. Fortnite yields a few percent improvement, but at the cost of greater microstuttering:


DX12 has been an absolute joke, and I expect DX12 Ultimate will be no different.

Vulkan is the God API, but unfortunately like DX12, it simply isn't utilized by developers enough to justify its consideration towards the influence of purchase considerations.

 

[My Spot]

Glide is the GOAT API. They should bring it back.

 

[jefferz]

Mnpctech lost their roof and products to the riots in Minneapolis.

 

[Madmick]

Mnpctech lost their roof and products to the riots in Minneapolis.

Jesus Christ.

Animals on parade.

 

[jefferz]

Fucking Intel. Call Cooler Master and have them make you a cooler.

 

[My Spot]

Fucking Intel. Call Cooler Master and have them make you a cooler.

lol they actually pack that in with their locked i7 and i9 chips.
I will say it's fine though for locked i3 and i5 (like my 8400).

 

[Woldog]

Fucking Intel. Call Cooler Master and have them make you a cooler.

Should keep your i9 at a nice and cool 109 degrees Celsius

 

[Madmick]

lol they actually pack that in with their locked i7 and i9 chips.
I will say it's fine though for locked i3 and i5 (like my 8400).

I mean, holy fucking shit, this stock cooler is the same caliber that you see in the $10-$15 space. Compare the Arctic Alpine 12 ($12 atm):

Why the regression from Coffee Lake's improved top stock cooler?

It's a slap in the face to buyers. Those i9-10900(F) are 10 core CPUs with an all-core turbo of 4.5GHz; the i7-10700(F) are 8 core CPUs with all-core turbos of 4.7GHz. Considering the early reviews of thermals we've seen, these are processors that should be shipping with something like Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black/LED at a minimum. The criticism you hear won't be impractical builder snobbery like we've always suffered in the past. This cooler isn't going to be able to keep those CPUs from throttling. Why even buy an i5/i7/i9 if you're going to get i3 performance? The unfortunate thing is less knowledgeable consumers won't realize this. Intel hasn't historically been a company that allows their customers to harm their own experience with these sorts of hazards.

Sad.

 

[rob mafia]

i mean, i don't exactly strap my air conditioner onto my space heater.

 

[jefferz]

I mean, holy fucking shit, this stock cooler is the same caliber that you see in the $10-$15 space. Compare the Arctic Alpine 12 ($12 atm):

Why the regression from Coffee Lake's improved top stock cooler?

It's a slap in the face to buyers. Those i9-10900(F) are 10 core CPUs with an all-core turbo of 4.5GHz; the i7-10700(F) are 8 core CPUs with all-core turbos of 4.7GHz. Considering the early reviews of thermals we've seen, these are processors that should be shipping with something like Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black/LED at a minimum. The criticism you hear won't be impractical builder snobbery like we've always suffered in the past. This cooler isn't going to be able to keep those CPUs from throttling. Why even buy an i5/i7/i9 if you're going to get i3 performance? The unfortunate thing is less knowledgeable consumers won't realize this. Intel hasn't historically been a company that allows their customers to harm their own experience with these sorts of hazards.

Sad.

I'd really like to see Gamers Nexus throw a stock Intel cooler and the Wraith Stealth on that cpu cooler test bench they have, lets see how horrible the Intel cooler really is.

Here's a comparison photo vs a Stealth. Intel did go back to the copper slug in the middle on the black one above but it's pointless. I don't think I'd even put the Intel one on a 10th gen i3 tbh just based on noise level alone. AMD does include the Stealth up to the Ryzen 5 3600, I don't have experience with the Stealth but my 1700 came with the longer Spire and it was adequate but noisy.

All this talk about coolers makes me wish Cryorig would come back to the US at affordable prices. I haven't seen the Scythe's go on sale lately either.

 

[My Spot]

I think Intel’s cooler is still the same one that came with my Core 2 Duo E8400 back in 08.

 

[Madmick]

Techspot already did a comparison of the AMD Wraith Stealth to this Intel ancient box cooler design last year. I've gotten into how confusing Intel makes this before. On marketplaces like Amazon, where units directly from the Chinese manufacturers eventually make their way, you'll see model numbers like E97378-xxx, E97379-xxx, etc. Intel lists this model that came with the i5-9400F, benched by Techspot below, as the "PCG 2015C (65W)" on the i5-9400F ark page, but as you can see in the Techspot image, the exact model number is E97379-001 ($8.99, Amazon). Intel doesn't even list all their coolers on their Desktop Thermal Solution page (none of those three are it). They just don't give a shit. This is another pathetic slap in the face to gamers who care. Compare it to the robust amount of information AMD supplies on a thoughtfully designed webpage for their Wraith coolers that tells you the exact model packaged for every CPU they sell. They're just straight clowning Intel, here:
https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/cpu-cooler-solution

What are the results? The Wraith Stealth shits on the Intel stock cooler.

Techspot: Intel Box Cooler vs. AMD Wraith Series

...shortly after testing the Wraith Spire, we received a tip to compare Intel and AMD's box coolers using the new Asrock X570 Phantom Gaming-ITX/TB3 motherboard. This particular board uses LGA1156 mounting holes, meaning it has native support for Intel coolers...

Now, this motherboard only supports Intel coolers, so to test the Wraith range on the same Ryzen 5 3600 CPU we used the Asrock Steel Legend.

 

[My Spot]

At least the Comet Lake coolers got a cosmetic facelift. That has to count for something.

 

[GSP_37]

What happened to the smart phone thread?

I saw an article that said the way Android and the other name brand Android phone handles some sort of color in photos causes the phone to malfunction needing some fix when a particular photo is set as wallpaper. That's crazy.

 

[jefferz]

Techspot already did a comparison of the AMD Wraith Stealth to this Intel ancient box cooler design last year. I've gotten into how confusing Intel makes this before. On marketplaces like Amazon, where units directly from the Chinese manufacturers eventually make their way, you'll see model numbers like E97378-xxx, E97379-xxx, etc. Intel lists this model that came with the i5-9400F, benched by Techspot below, as the "PCG 2015C (65W)" on the i5-9400F ark page, but as you can see in the Techspot image, the exact model number is E97379-001 ($8.99, Amazon). Intel doesn't even list all their coolers on their Desktop Thermal Solution page (none of those three are it). They just don't give a shit. This is another pathetic slap in the face to gamers who care. Compare it to the robust amount of information AMD supplies on a thoughtfully designed webpage for their Wraith coolers that tells you the exact model packaged for every CPU they sell. They're just straight clowning Intel, here:
https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/cpu-cooler-solution

What are the results? The Wraith Stealth shits on the Intel stock cooler.

Techsport: Intel Box Cooler vs. AMD Wraith Series

Yes, on a test bench with uncontrollable variables. With Windows running in the background, it's impossible to duplicate runs.
That's why I said for Gamers Nexus to test it.

 

[jefferz]

 

[rob mafia]