Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

[Neph]

The 7950X3d only has V-Cache on 1 core. Why?

I understand it's on one chiplet only and since it's for gaming that's fine. It's not production work where more cores = better, in gaming it's mostly limited to the speed on just a very few cores. With that said I don't really see the purpose of a 7950X3D on 99.9% of PCs since a 7800X3D has a pretty good chance of being the exact same performance in gaming anyway.

Edit: There's a segment here on Gamers Nexus about it:

 

[KaNesDeath]

Any of these new GPUs are going to run 3440x1440 just fine for the next 5 years

Dont find it wise to make such claims. You'll see by default a 20-50% performance decrease running this resolution over 1080p. With upwards of an additional 50% decrease if enabling Ray Tracing. Making such a statement is acceptable pertaining to already released titles. No one can predict future game release performance.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Dont find it wise to make such claims. You'll see by default a 20-50% performance decrease running this resolution over 1080p. With upwards of an additional 50% decrease if enabling Ray Tracing. Making such a statement is acceptable pertaining to already released titles. No one can predict future game release performance.

It’s a totally fine statement, especially if you followed our earlier conversation about ray tracing. He might have to go from ultra to a few high settings on some games but the top shelf cards that are out now are going to handle 3440 just fine. They’ve gotten much better at high resolutions than the cards of 5 years ago did for their era so I feel especially confident saying that.

But yeah I’m 5 years he might not be turning ray tracing on. That’s a far cry from saying it’s not good enough to run the resolution

 

[Neph]

It’s a totally fine statement, especially if you followed our earlier conversation about ray tracing. He might have to go from ultra to a few high settings on some games but the top shelf cards that are out now are going to handle 3440 just fine. They’ve gotten much better at high resolutions than the cards of 5 years ago did for their era so I feel especially confident saying that.

But yeah I’m 5 years he might not be turning ray tracing on. That’s a far cry from saying it’s not good enough to run the resolution

I agree. If you're buying a 4080 or 7900XTX you are going to be more than just fine at 1440p, though small concessions like not running ultra quality and/or ray tracing might be required.

 

[gondo]

Hey guys I need some advice on buying a new pc. Just trying to get into pc gaming but don’t want anything too expensive. I’ve been looking at this one from Costco and I was wondering if it’s any good for the price.
https://www.costco.ca/asus-rog-stri...ng-desktop,-i5-11400f.product.4000043149.html

It’s about $1500 CAD with a 5 yr warranty.

 

[Slobodan]

@Madmick thoughts?

 

[WhiteMousse]

RTX 4090 is down to less than $1900.00 on StockX. If it goes below $1700.00 I'll probably buy since the fees are less than the tax you pay on retail.

 

[WhiteMousse]

Hey guys I need some advice on buying a new pc. Just trying to get into pc gaming but don’t want anything too expensive. I’ve been looking at this one from Costco and I was wondering if it’s any good for the price.
https://www.costco.ca/asus-rog-strix-g10ce-cbi560-cb-gaming-desktop,-i5-11400f.product.4000043149.html

It’s about $1500 CAD with a 5 yr warranty.

If at all possible I recommend building your own. That's got an RTX 3060 which is not bad (people would have killed for that a little over a year ago), but it is at the lower end of things. Also when you buy prebuilds they can sometimes include parts that are subpar, such as the memory, mobo and hard drive, to make the total cost more attractive in light of the flashier CPU/GPU.

If you don't want to build, or you just need something now, I don't think it's a horrible purchase. I would personally build it myself, but you can ask everyone around here, when I was building my latest rig I was freaking out. So I get it.

 

[WhiteMousse]

Dont find it wise to make such claims. You'll see by default a 20-50% performance decrease running this resolution over 1080p. With upwards of an additional 50% decrease if enabling Ray Tracing. Making such a statement is acceptable pertaining to already released titles. No one can predict future game release performance.

Do you think that Ray Tracing will become one of those more common solutions, like a gaming engine? Like Unreal 5, Crystal Tools, etc.

 

[gondo]

If at all possible I recommend building your own. That's got an RTX 3060 which is not bad (people would have killed for that a little over a year ago), but it is at the lower end of things. Also when you buy prebuilds they can sometimes include parts that are subpar, such as the memory, mobo and hard drive, to make the total cost more attractive in light of the flashier CPU/GPU.

If you don't want to build, or you just need something now, I don't think it's a horrible purchase. I would personally build it myself, but you can ask everyone around here, when I was building my latest rig I was freaking out. So I get it.

Not really into building a pc. This one is capable of playing everything I’m interested in and seems to be a slightly better option than some similar PCs found at Best Buy, the source, and a few other places. Better price and warranty with a better card and ssd hard drive included.

 

[KaNesDeath]

Do you think that Ray Tracing will become one of those more common solutions

Sure.

 

[WhiteMousse]

Sure.

Dude I love you

 

[My Spot]

Not really into building a pc. This one is capable of playing everything I’m interested in and seems to be a slightly better option than some similar PCs found at Best Buy, the source, and a few other places. Better price and warranty with a better card and ssd hard drive included.

What resolution? Refresh rate?

 

[Madmick]

@Madmick thoughts?

This is AMD's mulligan because Intel's Raptor Lake kicked the shit out of their original launch. Glorified rebrand so they could cut pricing without looking weak.

In line with what I said earlier about Intel, with this generation, the new value strat for tech-savvy CPU buyers is to buy the non-K or non-X variants, and then run them in a higher power state (i.e. PL2 for Intel; PBO for AMD). With AMD there isn't even a binning advantage for the X-variants this generation. The non-X variants are holding equal or superior overclocks. Their on-paper turbo is a mere 1.8% less, and both the stock and PBO benchmark roundup averages are ~1.0% inferior. For savings of $70 (R5/R7), or $120 (R9), it's a no brainer.

As he mentions everything else is the same unlike with Intel's non-K variants. Don't waste time with manual overclocks, either, even though you can on the non-X variants, that's a thing of the past, the automatically handled dynamic overclocking is superior for nearly all real-world tasks, specifically gaming, the point is to just feed the CPU more power and let it automatically sort out its dynamic overclocking with what it is given. PBO is the way to go.

Only thing now is to wait to see how much of a benefit the 3D cache offers this time around, and how much AMD is going to charge for it.

 

[Madmick]

Hey guys I need some advice on buying a new pc. Just trying to get into pc gaming but don’t want anything too expensive. I’ve been looking at this one from Costco and I was wondering if it’s any good for the price.
https://www.costco.ca/asus-rog-strix-g10ce-cbi560-cb-gaming-desktop,-i5-11400f.product.4000043149.html

It’s about $1500 CAD with a 5 yr warranty.

I can't find a better value than that in that performance range except on open-box variants. So the component value for a new unit is about as strong as can be in the Canadian market at the moment, yes.

Only issue is that case is a bit of a hot-box, and it appears the stock CPU cooler is included. That probably won't be an issue because the i5-11400F runs extraordinarily cool as far as modern processors are concerned.

 

[Slobodan]

This is AMD's mulligan because Intel's Raptor Lake kicked the shit out of their original launch. Glorified rebrand so they could cut pricing without looking weak.

In line with what I said earlier about Intel, with this generation, the new value strat for tech-savvy CPU buyers is to buy the non-K or non-X variants, and then run them in a higher power state (i.e. PL1 for Intel; PBO for AMD). With AMD there isn't even a binning advantage for the X-variants this generation. The non-X variants are holding equal or superior overclocks. Their on-paper turbo is a mere 1.8% less, and both the stock and PBO benchmark roundup averages are ~1.0% inferior. For savings of $70 (R5/R7), or $120 (R9), it's a no brainer.

As he mentions everything else is the same unlike with Intel's non-K variants. Don't waste time with manual overclocks, either, even though you can on the non-X variants, that's a thing of the past, the automatically handled dynamic overclocking is superior for nearly all real-world tasks, specifically gaming, the point is to just feed the CPU more power and let it automatically sort out its dynamic overclocking with what it is given. PBO is the way to go.

Only thing now is to wait to see how much of a benefit the 3D cache offers this time around, and how much AMD is going to charge for it.

Reckon I should go for the 7700 or stay with my 5800X?

 

[gondo]

What resolution? Refresh rate?

Buying a new monitor. 1440p.

 

[avenue94]

Hey guys I need some advice on buying a new pc. Just trying to get into pc gaming but don’t want anything too expensive. I’ve been looking at this one from Costco and I was wondering if it’s any good for the price.
https://www.costco.ca/asus-rog-strix-g10ce-cbi560-cb-gaming-desktop,-i5-11400f.product.4000043149.html

It’s about $1500 CAD with a 5 yr warranty.

Not a bad value, if you're willing to wait until the fall, RTX 3060 tier systems haven't really come down in price a lot and won't until the 4060 arrives.

Is ordering from US merchants on option for you? Costco in the US had the Skytech Blaze 3.0 with an 1700F and 3060Ti for $1,199 recently, so there are some better options out there if you're just going off of specs. I get access to US pricing data if you want me to PM you some SKUs to keep on eye on.

 

[gondo]

I can't find a better value than that in that performance range except on open-box variants. So the component value for a new unit is about as strong as can be in the Canadian market at the moment, yes.

Only issue is that case is a bit of a hot-box, and it appears the stock CPU cooler is included. That probably won't be an issue because the i5-11400F runs extraordinarily cool as far as modern processors are concerned.

Thanks. I thought it was decent for someone that doesn’t want to build a pc. I’m not really after anything spectacular just a step back into pc gaming.

 

[gondo]

Not a bad value, if you're willing to wait until the fall, RTX 3060 tier systems haven't really come down in price a lot and won't until the 4060 arrives.

Is ordering from US merchants on option for you? Costco in the US had the Skytech Blaze 3.0 with an 1700F and 3060Ti for $1,199 recently, so there are some better options out there if you're just going off of specs. I get access to US pricing data if you want me to PM you some SKUs to keep on eye on.

I’m not after anything special here and that looks to be $1199 US. It’s a little more than what I want to spend as I’m getting a new monitor as well. Trying to keep everything under $2000 CAD. My next purchase is a new vehicle so I’m trying to keep costs down.