that's not what he said, though. you're inserting "within that price bracket," making it a totally different claim.
and my local microcenter got 6900XTs/5800Xs in yesterday. of course, already sold out of the 6900xt. kinda surprised to see more 5800Xs already, hoping the 5000 supply is better than expected.
aaaaaaaaaand apparently, they got 6800s/6800XTs in this morning... but sold out before i noticed, so no idea of quantities.
But that is the point.. objectively if your looking at the best for that price range.. it makes a massive difference because you need money to purchase stuff so that has to be taken into consideration..
This is just going to get into word salad a this point..
They have to be getting like.... 3-5 of each and some people are buying one of each and walking out with three intending to keep one and sell 2 on the third party market at a 200% markup because SOMEONE someplace will pay for it.
they only had 2 types of 6900xt listed (powercolor, asrock) and 1 ea of 6800/6800xt. also, the 6800xt (asus) was $899, so the 6900xt may have been a relative deal ($999)
But that is the point.. objectively if your looking at the best for that price range.. it makes a massive difference because you need money to purchase stuff so that has to be taken into consideration..
This is just going to get into word salad a this point..
they only had 2 types of 6900xt listed (powercolor, asrock) and 1 ea of 6800/6800xt. also, the 6800xt (asus) was $899, so the 6900xt may have been a relative deal ($999)
If someone has been buying cards and reselling a normally $900 card for like $1500... bet they'd have the cash on hand to start buying 2 and reselling them.
I only say this given the scalpers you see on Amazon and NewEgg trying to sell cards and brand new AMD processors for like $5000.
TBF, if it were me when I say something is better I tend to include price in the mix.
On a product line I know more about I would say objectively the Mossberg Patriot bolt action rifle is a better purchase than say a Winchester Model 70.
The Model 70 is more iconic, and will hold value longer and the parts are all manufactured in the states and put together here compared to the Patriot getting a lot of parts from outside the country and being on a plastic stock. That said, you get more bang for your buck so to speak in the Patriot as most come with either a basic scope or a nice Vortex (not top tier but still) all for a package of about $1100 while the Winchester you only get the rifle and it's near $2000. Most people in this world couldn't out shoot the Patriot either (ie, only dudes Nicholas Irving, Chris Kyle if he were still alive, the SEAL that killed the Somali pirates and other snipers) as most hunters the Patriot will be more than good enough for your standard guy.
So by that token.... the two GPUs being compared is there enough of a noticeable difference between them that a layman or someone new to gaming PCs like me be able to tell much of a difference starting out?
If someone has been buying cards and reselling a normally $900 card for like $1500... bet they'd have the cash on hand to start buying 2 and reselling them.
I only say this given the scalpers you see on Amazon and NewEgg trying to sell cards and brand new AMD processors for like $5000.
TBF, if it were me when I say something is better I tend to include price in the mix.
On a product line I know more about I would say objectively the Mossberg Patriot bolt action rifle is a better purchase than say a Winchester Model 70.
The Model 70 is more iconic, and will hold value longer and the parts are all manufactured in the states and put together here compared to the Patriot getting a lot of parts from outside the country and being on a plastic stock. That said, you get more bang for your buck so to speak in the Patriot as most come with either a basic scope or a nice Vortex (not top tier but still) all for a package of about $1100 while the Winchester you only get the rifle and it's near $2000. Most people in this world couldn't out shoot the Patriot either (ie, only dudes Nicholas Irving, Chris Kyle if he were still alive, the SEAL that killed the Somali pirates and other snipers) as most hunters the Patriot will be more than good enough for your standard guy.
So by that token.... the two GPUs being compared is there enough of a noticeable difference between them that a layman or someone new to gaming PCs like me be able to tell much of a difference starting out?
does anyone here know what "objectively" means? if you're including price (and implicitly), it's not objectively better, that's literally subjectively.
does anyone here know what "objectively" means? if you're including price (and implicitly), it's not objectively better, that's literally subjectively.
I know, and barebones specs wise the 5950X and the 3090 in a vaccum are the best and nothing can beat that.
But if you factor in what normal fucking people can afford (or even find) and that's when you start looking for value in what you purchase which is why I think you see @My Spot, myself, and others discussing barebones specs "not as good" setups but we can save a couple bucks avoiding the 5950x and 3090.
I know, and barebones specs wise the 5950X and the 3090 in a vaccum are the best and nothing can beat that.
But if you factor in what normal fucking people can afford (or even find) and that's when you start looking for value in what you purchase which is why I think you see @My Spot, myself, and others discussing barebones specs "not as good" setups but we can save a couple bucks avoiding the 5950x and 3090.
does anyone here know what "objectively" means? if you're including price (and implicitly), it's not objectively better, that's literally subjectively.
a 5600x and 3080 is factually and objectively NOT the best for gaming.
it may be subjectively the best. and even this requires a bit of a stretch beyond one's individual opinion, ESPECIALLY if price : perf is taken into account... because realistically, by similar metrics, someone might be almost as well off with a 3600 and some other gpu, be it 3060 ti or a previous gen.
a 5600x and 3080 is factually and objectively NOT the best for gaming.
it may be subjectively the best. and even this requires a bit of a stretch beyond one's individual opinion, ESPECIALLY if price : perf is taken into account... because realistically, by similar metrics, someone might be almost as well off with a 3600 and some other gpu, be it 3060 ti or a previous gen.
I'm not being cheeky. These concepts have concrete meanings, and what you said was inaccurate.
Furthermore, while the 5600X may offer the supreme value at the higher end, I take issue with nominating this as the best choice for an enthusiast build that stops short of a burn-your-money-epeen build. IMO, the 5800X + 3080 is the best enthusiast pairing. This is because unlike the 3090 vs. 3080, depending on the game, the 5800X will sometimes enjoy a stark advantage in framerate. The converse is not true for the 5600X. Compounding this is the consideration of longevity since CPUs maintain relevance much longer than GPUs. The additional cores offer a key advantage.
It's critical to understand what you're saying so that you understand what a website like Anandtech means when they recommend the 5600X as their "top gaming CPU." It is not the 5800X's equal.
What you see above, and what you'd see in more detail if you studied the 95th percentile avg slides from their review, or especially minimums, if they showed them, is that on the rare occasion the 5600X manages to come out on top, it never meaningfully leaves the field of its peers (5800X, 5900X, 5950X). Conversely, the 5800X is always neck-and-neck with the 5600X, but on occasion, and not that rarely, it pulls away by a significant margin.
This is reinforced by all sound reviewers. As you can see from TPU's reviews below the 5800X is actually winning among all gaming CPUs outright, atm, probably due to a combination of marginally superior boosting & binning at launch. Paired with really fast RAM, it is nearly 3% superior to the 5600X across their gaming roundup.
I'm not being cheeky. These concepts have concrete meanings, and what you said was inaccurate.
Furthermore, while the 5600X may offer the supreme value at the higher end, I take issue with nominating this as the best choice for an enthusiast build that stops short of a burn-your-money-epeen build. IMO, the 5800X + 3080 is the best enthusiast pairing. This is because unlike the 3090 vs. 3080, depending on the game, the 5800X will sometimes enjoy a stark advantage in framerate. The converse is not true for the 5600X. Compounding this is the consideration of longevity since CPUs maintain relevance much longer than GPUs. The additional cores offer a critical advantage.
It's critical to understand what you're saying so that you understand what a website like Anandtech means when they recommend the 5600X as their "top gaming CPU." It is not the 5800X's equal.
What you can see here, and what you'd see in more detail if you studied the 95th percentile avg, or especially minimums, if they showed them, is that on the rare occasion the 5600X manages to come out on top, it never meaningfully leaves the field of its peers (5800X, 5900X, 5950X). Conversely, the 5800X is always neck-and-neck with the 5600X, but on occasion, and not that rarely, it pulls away by a significant margin.
This is reinforced by all sound reviewers. As you can see from TPU the 5800X is actually winning outright, atm, probably due to a combination of marginally superior boosting & binning at launch. Paired with really fast RAM, it is nearly 3% superior to the 5600X across their gaming roundup.
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