Media Gaethje v Fiziev 2 set for UFC 313

balkanbomber85 said:
Pointless rematch. JG already emasculated Fizzy and its hard to gain anything from this fight. The only ones dho want that are the ones who will scream that the first fight was a fluke if Fizzy domehow manages to win the rematch.
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"Emasculated" with a super close majority decision win??

Shit, I'd absolutely hate to see how you describe what Max did to Justin then. By your logic, Fisiev is fighting a corpse next weekend because if Justin "emasculated" him...Max legitimately murdered Justin at 300.
 
BEATDOWNS said:
Hilarious post man.

1-100 head kick I can say the same for Fiziev's 1-100 wheel kick lol
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We have Justin's entire body of work to look at and same for Poirier. Between the two of them there is one headkick KO in the UFC and its not my opinion that this is a low-frequency event, its objectively true.

BEATDOWNS said:
1 stoppage in his last six fights Justin fought Khabib, Oliveira, Dustin Poirier
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Yes pretty much as a rule Justin loses to elite opponents and doesn't get KO wins against ranked opponents.


BEATDOWNS said:
Fiziev fought RDA, Brad Riddell and King Green. lmao
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... and took JG to a majority decision.

BEATDOWNS said:
Justin coming off a KO loss is true but he also fought hard for 24:59 seconds before that happened. Fiziev coming off two losses.
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JG is the favorite and rightfully so, although getting murder KO'd and frankly outclassed by a career featherweight does not bode well for his future.

The point I made verbatim is that JG is unlikely to KO Fiziev, because of the abundance of information that says its unlikely. Its bizarre I even have to type this out...

 
rjmbrd said:
We have Justin's entire body of work to look at and same for Poirier. Between the two of them there is one headkick KO in the UFC and its not my opinion that this is a low-frequency event, its objectively true.



Yes pretty much as a rule Justin loses to elite opponents and doesn't get KO wins against ranked opponents.




... and took JG to a majority decision.



JG is the favorite and rightfully so, although getting murder KO'd and frankly outclassed by a career featherweight does not bode well for his future.

The point I made verbatim is that JG is unlikely to KO Fiziev, because of the abundance of information that says its unlikely. Its bizarre I even have to type this out...
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FYI Gaethje isn't the favorite.

Fisiev -135
Gaethje +115
 
Mohawk Banditó said:
Legitimately the worst of all options.


3. Why would Fiziev be the favorite?


The featherweight?


And Fiziev is the furthest from title contention out of every single option, other than Moicano, who still at least has a good name for being the last title challenger. If that's true that a win puts him in title contention, then ANY win would put him in title contention, so Fiziev being the fill-in is no better than someone like Drew Dober


Yeah, he kinda has to, or else he doesn't fight and doesn't get paid.
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How is that the worst option? Their first fight was very good and Fiz arguably won. Out of the realistic options like FIz, Renato, Gamrot it was clearly the best fight.
 
CC27 said:
How is that the worst option? Their first fight was very good and Fiz arguably won. Out of the realistic options like FIz, Renato, Gamrot it was clearly the best fight.
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Fiz didn't win. And then he didn't win his next fight. And he's been out nearly a year and a half with an injury. Meaning if Gaethje beats him again, it means nothing. He has no momentum since, no additional worth, and a number of question marks will surround his performance, given the state of his injury.

Gamrot has a win over Fiz and an extremely contestable (even moreso than Gaethje vs Fiz 1) loss to Hooker, the guy Gaethje was booked to fight. So that replacement would have been far more on equal standing to the original fight than Fiz.

Moicano got a title shot out of a replacement, but the worth of being the most recent challenger puts some value on his name. Even if he would be the furthest of the bunch towards getting a shot in the future, there has always been a big benefit to contenders who beat the last challenger better than the champ did, so that gives Justin a good deal of leverage.
 
jeff7b9 said:
He'd be on a 1 fight win streak.

Pretty undeniable.
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What's sad is, if the UFC is erasing Arman from existence for the time being, it's hard to get better than 1 fight win streaks. Gonna be interesting to see who Charles gets put against, cuz at least he'd have 2 in that case.

If Hooker's injury is really minor, and he's just pushed back a short while, I could see him vs Charles, but now we've got these whole Islam vs who, Topuria vs who, and 'is Max still coming to LW' situations jumbling up everything.

Really a tough division to predict right now
 
rjmbrd said:
We have Justin's entire body of work to look at and same for Poirier. Between the two of them there is one headkick KO in the UFC and its not my opinion that this is a low-frequency event, its objectively true.



Yes pretty much as a rule Justin loses to elite opponents and doesn't get KO wins against ranked opponents.




... and took JG to a majority decision.



JG is the favorite and rightfully so, although getting murder KO'd and frankly outclassed by a career featherweight does not bode well for his future.

The point I made verbatim is that JG is unlikely to KO Fiziev, because of the abundance of information that says its unlikely. Its bizarre I even have to type this out...
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-doesn't get KO's against ranked opponents but just Koed a ranked opponent two fights ago

-JG would destroy everyone Fiziev fought easily.

- Max has been killing himself to make that weight and looks much better at LW and it showed plus Justin got his nose broken in the first round who knows how that fight goes without the nose break. You see I can twist the narratve too!

- not even the favorite you were proven wrong about that also

- You kinda suck!
 
BEATDOWNS said:
-doesn't get KO's against ranked opponents but just Koed a ranked opponent two fights ago
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Yes, exactly. We look at his body of work and use basic math. He's gotten a single stoppage win in his last 6 fights. Almost as a rule, JG does not KO ranked opponents.

This is not my opinion.

BEATDOWNS said:
-JG would destroy everyone Fiziev fought easily.
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Except for Fiziev, for whom he went to a majority decision.

BEATDOWNS said:
- Max has been killing himself to make that weight and looks much better at LW and it showed plus Justin got his nose broken in the first round who knows how that fight goes without the nose break. You see I can twist the narratve too!
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Max is simply a more talented fighter than JG who is still throwing himself to the ground lobbing hooks. Again, JG has one stoppage win in his last 6 fights, because almost as a rule, he does not beat (let alone finish) elite fighters.

BEATDOWNS said:
- You kinda suck!
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You sound well adjusted. Have a great day cheers!
 
BEATDOWNS said:
and @rjmbrd takes another L
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JG is the favorite in my personal estimation, and with regards to the person whom I was replying and agreeing with.

I think JG is the favorite. Go back and read it in context.
 
Justin debuted against Johnson who was #5 at the time when he finished him. Justin then had 2 back to back losses to Eddie and Dustin, then sparked out #10 Vick, and KO'd #6 Barboza. After that, #4 Cowboy wasn't put to sleep, but he wasn't really awake either. Ferguson at #1 was tough enough that the ref had to stop it, but that shit was onslaught infamously brutal

Spotty next 4 fights, loses his title challenge to Khabib, decisions Chandler, loses another title fight against Charles, & decisions Fiziev. Then he KO's #2 Dustin. Then got KO'd hard by Max.

Not only has he never fought an unranked guy. He never even fought anyone outside the top 10. All of his losses were to champ-level fighters, interim at the worst, and only 2 of his wins were decisions, and not even the most recent 2.
 
Ladron4sherdog said:
Seems about right. Justin figured him out towards the end of the first fight though. Let's see how this plays out.
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Tough fight time cap imo.

Red flags with Justin in that he's getting up there in age and especially mileage. Got brutally KO'd last time out and talked about retirement.

Red flags with Fisiev in that he's coming off injury/surgery and a long layoff. Now short notice too.

And rematches tend to rarely play out the same as the first one.
 
jeff7b9 said:
He'd be on a 1 fight win streak.

Pretty undeniable.
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He said he was promised a TS with a win over Hooker....can't imagine him fighting a guy ranked 8 spots behind him, again, and not be rewarded and offered something big in exchange. He's #3.
 
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