Fury and Wilder made 25x more than all ufc 270 fighter combined

[TruthHurts001]

 

[daniel san]

It's an issue, but it's also an issue when some idiot is comparing apples to oranges. Disclosed pay is not the same as actual pay. Ngannou of course made A LOT more than $600k through PPV, we don't know how much because fighters for some reason rarely wish to disclose that. Didn't Jones say he'd want $30 million to fight Ngannou, or was it $20 million? Based on Dana's reaction, that was a lot more than what Jones usually gets paid. However, Jones got paid $500k to show/win in his last fight + $40k fight week. So his disclosed pay was $540k - naturally he's not negotiating from $540k to $30 million - he probably earns a couple of millions in each fight from PPV sales.

 

[TheNinja]

so what, theyre absolutely massive MEGA stars in a sport where the stars get paid better because its a WAY older and bigger sport.

who caaaares.

This. LOL - You had a global event in boxing HW with 2 megastars in a sport with a LOT of old money and a lot of rich money involved vs a relatively niche' sport with no major stars on it. Gee, wonder who is gonna get paid more?

 

[Stan]

The UFC has around 400 employees working for them full time, health insurance, PI center, various offices around the globe, advertising, etc etc etc. The monthly expense to keep the corporate doors open is probably more in one month than most boxing promotions cost to run for a year. Most of these boxing promoters are literally a skeleton crew from a day to day perspective. It's like throwing a few music festival together each year. You have core group that works year around and that is it. But hundreds come together for one weekend to pull the event off. The UFC doesn't operate like that. They operate much more similar to the WWE than boxing.

But yes, they should pay more, no doubt about that.

300 of those employees must be the paid shills on here and other MMA forums. How about taking this into account between the biggest promoter in MMA the UFC and the biggest promoter in Boxing Top Rank.

UFC Net worth = 5 Billion USD
UFC Dana White Net Worth = 500 Milllion USD

Top Rank Net worth = 300 Million USD


So come on UFC PAID SHILLS keep on spinning the bullshit while the evidence of UFC greed keeps on being posted.

 

[JoeganMoldberg]

The entire world stopped spinning for fury vs wilder. That is not the case for any mma fight.

No, no it didn't. Plenty of people didn't even give a shit.

 

[SG123]

That's like saying "anyone should just start another NBA or NFL". UFC is an established juggernaut with a built in brand. You need serious start up capital to get something off the ground and the big thing is having the political clout and avoiding the UFC's insane political connectiveness from drowning you before you get off the ground. Just look at Mark Hunt, who said that he has been black listed, and he is just a little over the hill fighter. There is alot we do not know about that goes on behind the scenes, but see Pride, where the Yakuza were allegedly threatening to kill Fedor's manager if he did not stay with them and their rivals were ending up suicided.

One of the reasons for the UFC sale was that wme had the most political clout and could do things Zuffa could not, and as we saw immediately after the sale, UFC magically got allowed in NYC ---- yes, that is a problem to begin with and should not be happening in this "free country", but we are run by nepotistic crooks, so it is no surprise. Ari Emmanuel is the brother of Rahm Emmanuel, the guy they said was the puppet master of Obama, and the Emmanuel boys are the sons of a high ranking Irgun member and connected to Mossad....so yah, good look starting a rival brand against that kind of power.

Except it’s nothing like that, because the claim is that UFC fighters are uniquely underpaid, to the tune of 30-40% of revenue. Nobody makes that claim about other sports and athletes.

Any industry leader would be exceedingly easy to flip if the margins had that much headroom with no real moat.

 

[Kinku]

We need a fighter pay sub forum at this point. So I can avoid it.

This is why I havent been really posting or reading sherdog lately. Every third or 4th thread is about fighter pay. The arguments are just going around in circles.

 

[Bjjpitbull8]

You don’t say? You mean two superstar boxers fighting their third fight of a trilogy, made more money than two mma fighters that are not that big of a draw? I guarantee you the boxers on the undercard made considerably less than the equivalent Ufc fighters at 270. Francis probably cleared a million after ppv points. That is not exactly chump change. These threads are getting old.

 

[skylolow]

300 of those employees must be the paid shills on here and other MMA forums. How about taking this into account between the biggest promoter in MMA the UFC and the biggest promoter in Boxing Top Rank.

UFC Net worth = 5 Billion USD
UFC Dana White Net Worth = 500 Milllion USD

Top Rank Net worth = 300 Million USD


So come on UFC PAID SHILLS keep on spinning the bullshit while the evidence of UFC greed keeps on being posted.

Your proving the point I'm trying to make and nobody is saying the UFC isn't greedy. Shit, most big companies on this earth are greedy as hell.

It cost a lot more money to run a company with a net worth of 5 billion plus than a company worth 300 million. The business structure of the UFC vs Top Rank is night and day.


P.S.: No doubt Dana makes a lot of money. But most of his wealth came from the sale. He could've just cashed out and walked away. Instead he cashed out and kept his position and make millions because of it. That is being smart. Don't sit here and think Bob Arum ain't raking in the money either. His reported net worth is around 300 million and his company is worth roughly 300 Million. When you run companies that are worth 100's of millions or billions of dollars you make bank.

 

[PPVpoints]

It’s a terrible comparison.

The boxing numbers include PPVs the UFC numbers don’t.

The boxing event was one of the biggest in the sport, there wasn’t a single draw on UFC 270

So with a good UFC ppv, as you are saying, the numbers would be pretty close to 1:1?

 

[Stan]

Your proving the point I'm trying to make and nobody is saying the UFC isn't greedy. Shit, most big companies on this earth are greedy as hell.

It cost a lot more money to run a company with a net worth of 5 billion plus than a company worth 300 million. The business structure of the UFC vs Top Rank is night and day.

GTFOH the only reason why the UFC has a net worth of 500 billion is due to their greed and paying their fighters less than 10% of PPV sales. If Boxing promoters were greedy MF's as the UFC they would all have far surpassed the UFC net worth.

It does not cost more to run the UFC as it is to run any Boxing Promotion. Both fight sport promotions are exactly the same type of business. Both companies are the same as they both have fighters that sign contracts to fight for that promotion for X amount of years and fights. They are both a combat sport. They both have held big events outside of the USA. They both pay to secure the stadium/arena for the contracted event. They both have to promote and hype the main event fight with media outlets and place advertisements in many different countries. They both have to secure the broadcasting crew, camera crew, editing crew and everything else that will be added to the PPV event.

Only greed separates the 2.

 

[Kuggoz]

Its common knowledge, that champions get PPV points. You had 2 chanps on a card that most likely sold pretty good and based on some earlier leaks etc. they both probably made 3 or so million each on those alone. At least get your facts right (or even close) to have any legitimacy on this fighter pay stuff.

 

[eon001]

It’s a terrible comparison.

The boxing numbers include PPVs the UFC numbers don’t.

The boxing event was one of the biggest in the sport, there wasn’t a single draw on UFC 270

Yea I'm getting sick of these uneven comparisons. The main event UFC guy's deserve more money, but let's not pretend we spent PPV money on the prelim fighters.

I wonder what the prelim boxers for Fury/Wilder got?

 

[Kb7]

300 of those employees must be the paid shills on here and other MMA forums. How about taking this into account between the biggest promoter in MMA the UFC and the biggest promoter in Boxing Top Rank.

UFC Net worth = 5 Billion USD
UFC Dana White Net Worth = 500 Milllion USD

Top Rank Net worth = 300 Million USD


So come on UFC PAID SHILLS keep on spinning the bullshit while the evidence of UFC greed keeps on being posted.

I think everyone's over hearing and reading about Fighter Pay. UFC fighters should get paid more, yes that is true & we all agree on that, It is also true that these "athletes." chose this as their profession knowing full well of the extent of it. Put it this way, all the fans on here constantly bitching about fighter pay are pretenders, deep down inside they don't really care because if they really did they would be at the UFC head/apex or events holding up signs and boycotting anything UFC. They don't. Non of these "fans" do. We're all consumers and we can argue talk about it all we want deep down we don't care and won't do nothing about it.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

MMA pay needs to get better but boxing pay is just excessive.

 

[DizzyKronic]

I miss the days when we focused on the fights instead of how many more unnecessary millions these fighters can get.

 

[Andrei Orlovski]

A level athletes > UFC E level athletes. It makes sense.

 

[suffersystem]

It’s a terrible comparison.

The boxing numbers include PPVs the UFC numbers don’t.

The boxing event was one of the biggest in the sport, there wasn’t a single draw on UFC 270

This.

We know the numebrs are uneven, but when you purposefully twist stats and lie about pay then you lose much of your argument right off the bat. Be impartial at least and use PPV numbers for both. Yes we know UFC doesn't pay as well, but let's get an honest comparison going before we can really start to have talks about it. These facts meant to twist things just turns people off and creates more of a divide instead of helping.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

The entire world stopped spinning for fury vs wilder. That is not the case for any mma fight.

Fury/Wilder 3 did about half the PPV buys that Conor/Poirier 3 did. Conor/Khabib got as many buys as all three Fury/Wilder fights combined.

People drastically overstate how big boxing is compared to the UFC these days.

 

[skylolow]

GTFOH the only reason why the UFC has a net worth of 500 billion is due to their greed and paying their fighters less than 10% of PPV sales. If Boxing promoters were greedy MF's as the UFC they would all have far surpassed the UFC net worth.

It does not cost more to run the UFC as it is to run any Boxing Promotion. Both fight sport promotions are exactly the same type of business. Both companies are the same as they both have fighters that sign contracts to fight for that promotion for X amount of years and fights. They are both a combat sport. They both have held big events outside of the USA. They both pay to secure the stadium/arena for the contracted event. They both have to promote and hype the main event fight with media outlets and place advertisements in many different countries. They both have to secure the broadcasting crew, camera crew, editing crew and everything else that will be added to the PPV event.

Only greed separates the 2.

That is like saying Google and DuckDuckgo are both search engines so there for they are exactly in same type of business and should be directly compared.

You keep believing that it cost the same to run Top Rank Boxing who has a yearly revenue between 5M to 20M a year vs a company with about a billion a year in revenue, a hell of a lot more employees, multiple offices around the world, media company, couple PI centers, Apex, etc etc. Top Rank headquarters is basically in an office park with pretty basic office buildings with probably 5,000 to 8,000 sq ft of space.