News *** Francis Ngannou Free Agency/Contract/Decision Making Discussion MEGA THREAD ***

[spinup]

the thing is Francis admitted he left over 8mil on the table and that seems like he would've been the highest paid HW ever.

And that was before the Gane fight. He left that much on the table because he refuse to renew his contract in order to complete it.

 

[vinnie245]

well I think there are 2 possibilities here :
1) They genuinely did try hard to retain him and keep him happy with increased monetary offers but....clearly it wasn't enough OR it was the other terms in the contract they he didn't like. But the relationship MUST have soured in the end as why else would Dana say "He's never fighting in UFC again".

They didnt keep him because he insisted on boxing and UFC was never going to let that happen, period.
Him and his managers (if he still has them) have completely overinflated his worth thinking hes a Conor level like star and hes not even top 10, Conor and Logan Paul got what they wanted because 1 is the biggest star in MMA by a country mile and the other is a very famous youtube star, Ngannou isnt close to being either.
He is also very naive in how the boxing world works and what a shark tank it is business wise, even more than MMA.

 

[Fedora Millionankles]

Another door shuts on Ngannou.

“Francis Ngannou, he’s somebody we’ve certainly reached out to,” Feldman said. “We’ve reached out to him, we’ve reached out to his team, and we just feel like he’s asking for unrealistic money, and we’re not willing to pay that kind of money for him.”

Odds are he winds up back in the UFC for a fraction of the contract they offered him.

https://www.mmafighting.com/2023/4/...st-feel-like-hes-asking-for-unrealistic-money

 

[mahavishnunj]

he was the reigning champ who never lost the belt. If Jones loses to either Stipe or Blaydes, the latter of whom is a very difficult matchup, Francis’s stock elevates.

It’s nice that WME pays you guys to flood the forums with this garbage but the fact remains that the UFC couldn’t keep its reigning HW champion under contract. It’s embarrassing enough yet somehow you think it’s a good idea to be like, “haha now you have no money left bc you didn’t get famous enough holding our highest belt and besides, you were never that good anyways even though you never lost the belt and we’re about to promote the battle for heavyweight GOAT featuring the guy that you knocked dead in a rematch to win the HW title.”

Where do I sign up for this WME payout? Everything @xhaydenx said is true, and not really debatable. Francis' stock "elevates"? It's dropping exponentially by the day. The few people who care about boxing don't care about him.

 

[Fergelmince]

I think this has already been posted

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...ou-is-“asking-for-unrealistic-money”.4285974/

@Kowboy the Konqueror

 

[Doughie99]

They didnt keep him because he insisted on boxing and UFC was never going to let that happen, period.
Him and his managers (if he still has them) have completely overinflated his worth thinking hes a Conor level like star and hes not even top 10, Conor and Logan Paul got what they wanted because 1 is the biggest star in MMA by a country mile and the other is a very famous youtube star, Ngannou isnt close to being either.
He is also very naive in how the boxing world works and what a shark tank it is business wise, even more than MMA.

Yes I agree with this. UFC were never gonna allow him to box, anyone can see that.
They've only done that one time, with McG vs Mayweather and that was profitable for UFC but it's really a one-time deal.

It's hard to believe Ngannou thought there was ANY CHANCE of him being allowed to box whilst under UFC contract. It's bizarre. Anyone could have told him "they are not going to concede on that point, zero chance".

Either BOX or do UFC MMA. Choose one.

 

[Dreyga Hates You Sherbums]

Yeah but that’s the UFC. Not every promotion can or should pay that. It’s like making $150,000 a year as a software developer at a big company but then being the computer tech at a small town store. The job and employer don’t require $150,000 worth of work. So basically just because Ngannou can make $8M per fight in the UFC doesn’t mean he has the same value in another league.

I agree. That’s what I said my other dozens responses in the thread

 

[xhaydenx]

he was the reigning champ who never lost the belt. If Jones loses to either Stipe or Blaydes, the latter of whom is a very difficult matchup, Francis’s stock elevates.

It’s nice that WME pays you guys to flood the forums with this garbage but the fact remains that the UFC couldn’t keep its reigning HW champion under contract. It’s embarrassing enough yet somehow you think it’s a good idea to be like, “haha now you have no money left bc you didn’t get famous enough holding our highest belt and besides, you were never that good anyways even though you never lost the belt and we’re about to promote the battle for heavyweight GOAT featuring the guy that you knocked dead in a rematch to win the HW title.”

Frank can run around saying he's the true champ and that's fine, but the UFC marketing machine isn't going to give a single fuck and will put work into pushing whatever they want. They've done this sort of crap plenty. If Frank doesn't re-sign, then the UFC will do their best to make him forgotten among their product.

If Jones loses to Stipe or Blaydes it isn't going to make a difference. Sure, it makes Frank look better, but how's he supposed to get any use out of that? No other org is going to care because they don't have any of those fighters lol, and the UFC isn't going to care because they have guys who they can just pay way less and push even harder. A guy like Jones doesn't cost as much and is easier to deal with.

And spare me your dumbshit shill accusations. No need to try and put words in my mouth either, you dumb fuck. If all you can do is make up some fantasy nonsense then maybe fuck off somewhere else. I never laughed about Frank having no money, or said he wasn't good. All I did was tell you how marketing works, and how it will be working going forwards in regards to the UFC.

 

[brackis1]

Francis walking from the UFC HW belt without a concrete plan has to be one of the stupidest career moves I’ve seen in my life.

Says who?
Given how easily Jones won the title it could still be a very smart move.
He is still the unofficial champ, has had time to heal, and can negotiate boxing or other offers without losing the aura that could have evaporated in a matter of minutes if he gets wrecked by Jones while not healthy.

This "dana said he would be highest paid ever" stuff is utter bullshit without knowing the details of how much of that money was guaranteed vs. performance/future earnings contingencies that he may never have hit.

This thread is loaded to the gills with really really dumb people listening to Dana and to a conman BareKnuckle promoter who routinely lie and in the case of BKFC was never going to be able to afford Francis.

 

[Poirierfan]

Says who?
Given how easily Jones won the title it could still be a very smart move.
He is still the unofficial champ, has had time to heal, and can negotiate boxing or other offers without losing the aura.

This "dana said he would be highest paid ever" stuff is utter bullshit without knowing the details of how much of that money was guaranteed vs. performance/future earnings contingencies that he may never have hit.

This thread is loaded to the gills with really really dumb people listening to Dana and to a conman BareKnuckle promoter who routinely lie and in the case of BKFC was never going to be able to afford Francis.

True

 

[Private Whatley]

Imagine actually believing WME give a shit about what dorks on a karate forum are discussing. Jesus.

You’re right. WME totally doesn’t care about controlling the narrative. Also, companies totally don’t have paid employees leaving bogus 5 star reviews on Glassdoor to entice applicants.

 

[spinup]

Yes I agree with this. UFC were never gonna allow him to box, anyone can see that.
They've only done that one time, with McG vs Mayweather and that was profitable for UFC but it's really a one-time deal.

It's hard to believe Ngannou thought there was ANY CHANCE of him being allowed to box whilst under UFC contract. It's bizarre. Anyone could have told him "they are not going to concede on that point, zero chance".

Either BOX or do UFC MMA. Choose one.

He wants to box because it was what he always wanted even before doing mma (he couldn't build a boxing career from France, it's impossible). Not because he saw Conor make money and thought he would do the same.
He has resisted the UFC pressure to renew his contract for over 3years because he knew it would annihilate any chance of him boxing one day.

He not the idiot many here portray. He is man with a goal and who doesn't bargain his freedom, and he knows very well it can lose him money.

 

[Private Whatley]

Where do I sign up for this WME payout? Everything @xhaydenx said is true, and not really debatable. Francis' stock "elevates"? It's dropping exponentially by the day. The few people who care about boxing don't care about him.

You care enough about him to post on a message board for free apparently. I hope that’s not the case and that you’re getting some sheckels for your troubles.

 

[Private Whatley]

Frank can run around saying he's the true champ and that's fine, but the UFC marketing machine isn't going to give a single fuck and will put work into pushing whatever they want. They've done this sort of crap plenty. If Frank doesn't re-sign, then the UFC will do their best to make him forgotten among their product.

If Jones loses to Stipe or Blaydes it isn't going to make a difference. Sure, it makes Frank look better, but how's he supposed to get any use out of that? No other org is going to care because they don't have any of those fighters lol, and the UFC isn't going to care because they have guys who they can just pay way less and push even harder. A guy like Jones doesn't cost as much and is easier to deal with.

And spare me your dumbshit shill accusations. No need to try and put words in my mouth either, you dumb fuck. If all you can do is make up some fantasy nonsense then maybe fuck off somewhere else. I never laughed about Frank having no money, or said he wasn't good. All I did was tell you how marketing works, and how it will be working going forwards in regards to the UFC.

The fact that there’s a marketing machine devoting its efforts to refuting the notion that he left without losing the belt is proof that they give several fucks. You seem angry. Take some deep breaths and don’t hurt yourself.

 

[swarrrm]

It thought he was boxing some 0-1 bum named stinky Simon or something? I must have been high when I read that.

 

[2004 account]

ONE OF THESE DAYS ALEX IS GONNA LAND THAT SPIINING BACK HEAD KICK ON SOMEONE

 

[icemun]

Says who?
Given how easily Jones won the title it could still be a very smart move.
He is still the unofficial champ, has had time to heal, and can negotiate boxing or other offers without losing the aura that could have evaporated in a matter of minutes if he gets wrecked by Jones while not healthy.

This "dana said he would be highest paid ever" stuff is utter bullshit without knowing the details of how much of that money was guaranteed vs. performance/future earnings contingencies that he may never have hit.

This thread is loaded to the gills with really really dumb people listening to Dana and to a conman BareKnuckle promoter who routinely lie and in the case of BKFC was never going to be able to afford Francis.

Francis actually said it was the highest pay for a HW ever.

 

[spinup]

It thought he was boxing some 0-1 bum named stinky Simon or something? I must have been high when I read that.

Lol. Yeah it was a fake.

 

[ThunderL1ps]

The Saudi group should come up with the money for a boxing fight to stick it to Endevaor for buying WWE. Ngannou gets his money and if he wants to return to the UFC or ply his trade elsewhere after that, at least the really big pay day is out of the way.

 

[dogsdonutsdragons]

The Saudi group should come up with the money for a boxing fight to stick it to Endevaor for buying WWE. Ngannou gets his money and if he wants to return to the UFC or ply his trade elsewhere after that, at least the really big pay day is out of the way.

that merger hurts ngannous decision even more. hes easy to sell in pro wrestling with out him needing much acting ability because highest recorded punching power. thats a character right there.