Found a study on how important outweighing your opponent is for success in MMA and Boxing

They should eliminate the dehydrating altogether. Its a simple thing to do IMO.

Six weight checks. Fighters must weigh within the range of their weight class. Make each class a 10 lb range. Until the top 3 LHW, HW & SWH.

Fly 136-145
BW 146-155
FW 156-165
LW 166-175
WW 176-185
SWW 186-195
MW 195-205
SMW 206-215
LHW 216-230
HW 230-265
SHW 266 +

Six weight checks, 3 scheduled and 3 random. 6 weeks out, 3 week out and fight night. Plus 3 random checks. Miss weight means 10% fine. Miss all 6 fight is cancelled and you can not fight in this weight class.

Fighters will not fight in a class they can't maintain their weight within because they can't afford to do so.
Fighters will also be able to fight more without having to "Recover" from a weight cut. Even fighters who win with zero damage need time from the weight cuts. Eliminating this will let guys fight 6 times a year if they want.
I don't even think they need to do 6 weight checks.

Just have a second weigh-in immediately after the fight and you have 10% of your purse deducted for every pound you're over from your previous weigh-in.

Or just measure their hydration levels, or both.
 
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no it is the weight. It’s exactly that

A 6 3 frame in a low weight class has less muscle and is actually less likely to fight with a weight advantage
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That's an extreme example.

There's just as many cases of fat 5 foot 10 MWs like Kelvin Gastelum fighting lean 6 foot 3 guys like Joe Pyfer, who have lots more muscle to ring water out of (muscle holds 7X as much water as fat).

Reach is one of biggest correlates of winning fights - it's well established
 
Weight matters, which is why combat sports have weight classes. Startling revelation. Weight starts to matter less over 200lbs, which is why heavyweight starts in most combat sports in the early 200s. Not that weight advantages over 200lbs don't matter, just that they matter less than weight advantages in the lower weight classes
 
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That's an extreme example.

There's just as many cases of fat 5 foot 10 MWs like Kelvin Gastelum fighting lean 6 foot 3 guys like Joe Pyfer, who have lots more muscle to ring water out of (muscle holds 7X as much water as fat).

Reach is one of biggest correlates of winning fights - it's well established
that’s also an extreme example because ufc Middleweight is cruiser weight
 
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That's an extreme example.

There's just as many cases of fat 5 foot 10 MWs like Kelvin Gastelum fighting lean 6 foot 3 guys like Joe Pyfer, who have lots more muscle to ring water out of (muscle holds 7X as much water as fat).

Reach is one of biggest correlates of winning fights - it's well established
Let me be clear, I’m not here to argue that reach isn’t a hugeadvantage.. it’s just that it’s about 3% win percentage an inch vs 13% per pound. A massive difference
 
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wait, are people actually surprised? you got to be retarded if you haven't realized that yet.
 
Yes, of course. That point has been debated ad nauseum on Sherdog when posters were trying to justify why it is fair for bigger champs to fight smaller champs, but that is pure foolishness and wishful thinking.
Don't tell the Topuria nuthuggers or they'll be on a watch.
 
One of the large arguments against steroids is the combination of how dangerous it is for the person doing it and the unfair advantage it gives them, but I've stood by for a long time on the opinion that extreme weight cutting has much potentially worse adverse effects and arguably gives even more of an advantage.

The only problem is, that's at the more maximums, but the minimum line of weight cutting is a lot more grey than the minimum line of taking PED's, so the latter is just easier to draw a line on and enforce.
But when you take ped's you can cut more weight. Because fat contains about 10% water. While muscle tissue contains about 75% water. People on peds can have lower body fat % and stil perfom optimally and can have more muscle. When u go below a certain percentage of body fat as a natural it affects testosterone production thus inhibiting performance. You will also lose muscle as a natural if you cut too much weight. So taking PEDs has a double wammy effect. Its also the reason why there was so many massive weight cutters pre usada in the ufc.
 
Kinda surprised it has a bigger incident on boxing, I would have though that a weight adventage would be more usefull in MMA due to grappling.
My initial thought too. An analogy that I think works is with grappling you can trick your opponent and "checkmate" them where as boxing is like drag racing, if one guy has a Lamborghini, and the other guy has a Prius, the Prius is getting smoked no matter what unless the Lamborghini blows up on takeoff. Its rare to see a last minute knockout in boxing, but plenty of guys in MMA win 2 rounds then get submitted in the 3rd.
 
My initial thought too. An analogy that I think works is with grappling you can trick your opponent and "checkmate" them where as boxing is like drag racing, if one guy has a Lamborghini, and the other guy has a Prius, the Prius is getting smoked no matter what unless the Lamborghini blows up on takeoff. Its rare to see a last minute knockout in boxing, but plenty of guys in MMA win 2 rounds then get submitted in the 3rd.
Agree with the last part. There’s 12 rounds in boxing —- you can’t dance the whole fight

Look what happened to Haney with a weight disadvantage
 
Agree with the last part. There’s 12 rounds in boxing —- you can’t dance the whole fight

Look what happened to Haney with a weight disadvantage
Or what happened with Keyshawn last night He came in over 4 pounds over over a 135 pound and probably would have weighed 160 in the ring and Edwin was like fuck this shit. Its become a big problem in boxing too.
 
Eliminate the weigh-ins and make them walk at the correct weight the hour of the fight. Then, no more harsh weight cuts. No more bullshit re-hydrating. People would be inclined to already be hydrated and rested.
 
I don't even think they need to do 6 weight checks.

Just have a second weigh-in immediately after the fight and you have 10% of your purse deducted for every pound you're over from your previous weigh-in.

Or just measure their hydration levels, or both.
More checks makes it impossible to successfully cut weight. Some will try to cut and keep it off. Maybe not the levels they do not % wise but having to be in the range rather than hitting a mark for a specific time makes sense.
 
If they make the weight , it’s all good
I disagree. Its unhealthy and makes fighters fight less. If you don't need to dehydrate you don't need to recover from the weight cut. We see it all the time. Fighters win in under a minute and take no damage but need 4-6 months because they can't cut weight that often. The weight cutting, specifically dehydrating adds nothing to the fights and in fact takes away from us seeing top fighters compete more often.
 
I disagree. It’s unhealthy and makes fighters fight less. If you don't need to dehydrate you don't need to recover from the weight cut. We see it all the time. Fighters win in under a minute and take no damage but need 4-6 months because they can't cut weight that often. The weight cutting, specifically dehydrating adds nothing to the fights and in fact takes away from us seeing top fighters compete more often.
Honestly You sound small ……
 
Honestly You sound small ……
Honestly you sound dumb. Not sure if I am small compared to a big tough guy like you but I bet you are a pussy living in your mom's basement. Sorry I am too intelligent to just watch the circus and can actually come up with a sensible alternative to improve things.

I guess if they make the weight its all good. But since you miss the fact we are seeing more and more weight misses and fight cancellations I can't help you. You just can't fix stupid.
 
Honestly you sound dumb. Not sure if I am small compared to a big tough guy like you but I bet you are a pussy living in your mom's basement. Sorry I am too intelligent to just watch the circus and can actually come up with a sensible alternative to improve things.

I guess if they make the weight its all good. But since you miss the fact we are seeing more and more weight misses and fight cancellations I can't help you. You just can't fix stupid.
You’re very sensitive lol …. You should probably cry a little bit more ….your dumb alternative would lead to Way more fights cancelled…..or maybe you live in a fairytale land where all the fighters instantly move up ….
 
You’re very sensitive lol …. You should probably cry a little bit more ….your dumb alternative would lead to Way more fights cancelled…..or maybe you live in a fairytale land where all the fighters instantly move up ….
Why are fights cancelled? You don't seem to understand. Miss a weight check and get fined 10%. You can miss weight 6 times but it doesn't have to be cancelled. What fighter is going to fight for 40% pay? They will choose the class they can weigh within.

Nobody moves up. They all weigh the same in cage give or take a few pounds. This just eliminates everyone dehydrating. Not sure why you can't get it but whatever.
 
Why are fights cancelled? You don't seem to understand. Miss a weight check and get fined 10%. You can miss weight 6 times but it doesn't have to be cancelled. What fighter is going to fight for 40% pay? They will choose the class they can weigh within.

Nobody moves up. They all weigh the same in cage give or take a few pounds. This just eliminates everyone dehydrating. Not sure why you can't get it but whatever.
I’m not trying to sound special, but as a big person a few pounds don’t mean as much …..I’m 6’3 and 219 ….. if someone is 221 it’s fine if I were an athlete……. Do you really think they’re gonna do 6 weigh ins ? Honestly? …..doesn’t One Fc do something similar? If so dude that knocked Mighty Mouse out looked two weight classes bigger than him him the cage , maybe I’m mistaken
 
I’m not trying to sound special, but as a big person a few pounds don’t mean as much …..I’m 6’3 and 219 ….. if someone is 221 it’s fine if I were an athlete……. Do you really think they’re gonna do 6 weigh ins ? Honestly? …..doesn’t One Fc do something similar? If so dude that knocked Mighty Mouse out looked two weight classes bigger than him him the cage , maybe I’m mistaken
You are mistaken. One FC does hydration tests. They also supposedly only allow fighters to be 105% of the top of the range in cage limiting the amount of dehydration. You are right about the dude MM fought looking to be at least 1 if not 2 classes larger. You can fake it for a weigh in once, can't if it is 6 times over 6 weeks.

You are thinking about Weigh Ins the way they are now, a big spectacle that they have to "Make Weight" for. These are more akin to weighing yourself in the morning, just stepping on the scale. I have been on a food plan thing and dropped 20+ lbs of fat this year. part of it is doing weight checks. While I haven't done them daily I did get in the habit of "Checking In" on my weight. Once I plateaued and hit my goal of 215 lbs I have seen my weight fluctuate 2-4 lbs at most and I am not even trying and I am not a professional athlete. Today I was 212.5 lbs. Its not hard for guys to maintain themselves within the range of a weight class. They actually all do it for the most part, they just also dehydrate because their opponent does and if they don't they fight a guy 20 lbs larger. Put in a basic system and guys will realize they don't have to cut and they don't want to do it either.
 
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