International For non-american citizens. Who would you want to have as the President of the United States?

[Takes Two To Tango]

Do you want to Donald Trump or Kamala Harris as the President?

Just curious what the result numbers will be like.

Please vote honestly.

 

[Deorum]

 

[Vergilius]

As a non-American, I'm not sure. Trump proved difficult for us Europeans to deal with, but he did push our leaders to invest more in our own defense (which I agree with) and was the first to actually confront China. However, I'm worried about the internal chaos and division he might bring to the US.

Harris is a bit of a non-entity in terms of foreign policy so far. We have no idea what she would do and I suspect a lot would depend on who she chooses as Foreign Secretary. I see foreign policy as one of her major weaknesses, because she has no experience or track record to speak of and I've only heard bad things about her attempts to intervene in policy as VP. On the other hand, she would probably lead a more internally stable US, which is a good thing for partners and allies.

On the whole, I think they are two exceptionally poor candidates viewed from outside. The attempts to rebrand Harris into Obama 2.0 are laughable to me - and Trump is an unpredictable and moody character.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

As a non-American, I'm not sure. Trump proved difficult for us Europeans to deal with, but he did push our leaders to invest more in our own defense (which I agree with) and was the first to actually confront China. However, I'm worried about the internal chaos and division he might bring to the US.

Harris is a bit of a non-entity in terms of foreign policy so far. We have no idea what she would do and I suspect a lot would depend on who she chooses as Foreign Secretary. I see foreign policy as one of her major weaknesses, because she has no experience or track record to speak of and I've only heard bad things about her attempts to intervene in policy as VP. On the other hand, she would probably lead a more internally stable US, which is a good thing for partners and allies.

On the whole, I think they are two exceptionally poor candidates viewed from outside. The attempts to rebrand Harris into Obama 2.0 are laughable to me - and Trump is an unpredictable and moody character.

Well said man, well said. Thanks for your input.

 

[Deorum]

As a non-American, I'm not sure. Trump proved difficult for us Europeans to deal with, but he did push our leaders to invest more in our own defense (which I agree with) and was the first to actually confront China. However, I'm worried about the internal chaos and division he might bring to the US.

Harris is a bit of a non-entity in terms of foreign policy so far. We have no idea what she would do and I suspect a lot would depend on who she chooses as Foreign Secretary. I see foreign policy as one of her major weaknesses, because she has no experience or track record to speak of and I've only heard bad things about her attempts to intervene in policy as VP. On the other hand, she would probably lead a more internally stable US, which is a good thing for partners and allies.

On the whole, I think they are two exceptionally poor candidates viewed from outside. The attempts to rebrand Harris into Obama 2.0 are laughable to me - and Trump is an unpredictable and moody character.

He was absolutely correct to confront China, but it certainly came with mixed results, and that's because it wasn't particularly strategic. The tariffs especially were disastrous beyond the first round (people may recall they came in waves) and hit US agriculture the hardest, which is kind of ironic given that Rural America comprises a core base of majority support for him. I doubt DJT knew that it would catch the brunt of collateral damage, but his USTR Robert Lighthizer sure as hell did.

The FDI restrictions and export controls were much better. Normally, the former is considered a good economic driver and great for job creation because it entails foreign capital investment into stateside production. For China, their form of "FDI" basically amounts to buying up US tech assets. On the otherhand, the export controls largely choked off access to the materials, machinery, equipment, software, and services required for the CCP to raise a cutting-edge domestic semiconductor industry and it's something the Biden-Harris Admin has continued.

 

[Cole train]

 

[legatoblues]

Voted doesn't matter. The entire system and culture is the problem, not any one particular political team or their chosen champion.

The idolising politicians, believing your team leader and their party is the messiah while the opposing team leader and their team is the Antichrist, the blind team cheerleading, the obscene vitriol delivered to those who follow the wrong team - even just identifying and labelling people based on their voting preferences - its all fucking bizarre and embarrassing, but we just shake our head and go "Americans"

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Couldn't have decided between Trump and Biden but now you've got someone who isn't a crazy pensioner running I'd probably vote for them even though I'm sure you could come up with better candidates if you really tried.

 

[Jacket time]

As a non-American, I'm not sure. Trump proved difficult for us Europeans to deal with, but he did push our leaders to invest more in our own defense (which I agree with) and was the first to actually confront China. However, I'm worried about the internal chaos and division he might bring to the US.

Harris is a bit of a non-entity in terms of foreign policy so far. We have no idea what she would do and I suspect a lot would depend on who she chooses as Foreign Secretary. I see foreign policy as one of her major weaknesses, because she has no experience or track record to speak of and I've only heard bad things about her attempts to intervene in policy as VP. On the other hand, she would probably lead a more internally stable US, which is a good thing for partners and allies.

On the whole, I think they are two exceptionally poor candidates viewed from outside. The attempts to rebrand Harris into Obama 2.0 are laughable to me - and Trump is an unpredictable and moody character.

well said, fantastic post

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

 

[USA!USA!]

Voted doesn't matter. The entire system and culture is the problem, not any one particular political team or their chosen champion.

The idolising politicians, believing your team leader and their party is the messiah while the opposing team leader and their team is the Antichrist, the blind team cheerleading, the obscene vitriol delivered to those who follow the wrong team - even just identifying and labelling people based on their voting preferences - its all fucking bizarre and embarrassing, but we just shake our head and go "Americans"

Completely agree, and I am an American lol

Whoever is running this country (do we even really know?) has the populace by the balls and does what they want through media brainwashing and tribalism.

 

[squeezewax]

Doesn't matter as they read from the same script. Presidents, Prime Ministers, governments, don't run countries.

 

[Deorum]

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Voting doesn't make much of a difference in a fake democracy. America is a completely captured economic zone which exists as a people farm for the ultra wealthy elite that controls both of the so-called parties. The country Washington founded simply does not exist anymore. What exists is a collection of domesticated zones in which the locals are allowed to believe they live their life according to their own will because they have access to shopping, guns or pride parades. These are irrelevant and are the equivalent of bread and circuses.

The real power resides within a small elite group that manages the country by selecting who runs, who occupies congress, what laws are passed. They do this through the gigantic influence of the corporations that benefit from the fact that influence peddling is called lobbying, through captured academia, captured commentariat class, media, the conference circuit, journalism, through captured judicial branches, through an enormous bureaucratic and logistical apparatus.

It's why there's no relevant top-down cultural message, because the culture of the elites is completely detached and existing in a parallel space to the majority, therefore it doesn't matter if immigration for corporate profit harms the local culture, since it's like me caring that cutting down a tree harms the ecosystem living around that tree. i needed that space bro, fuck your ecosystem. i needed cheap replaceable non unionized labor buddy, sorry about your life dreams.

So it's irrelevant who "wins". it's only relevant for the people that waste their lives sparring on a forum about how their guys are better. and these people have no power anyway.

 

[fingercuffs]

Couldn't have decided between Trump and Biden but now you've got someone who isn't a crazy pensioner running I'd probably vote for them even though I'm sure you could come up with better candidates if you really tried.

I'm American and this is my take. I was going to vote for Biden under duress but knew he didn't have another 4 years in him like Mandarin Molester doesn't have 4 years left in him.

At least with Kamala she isn't a senile dinosaur.

 

[Squarechoke]

In my case it's mostly a view of who I think is the least appropriate candidate, which would be Trump. It's not that I think Harris is good but rather that Trump is exceptionally lacking of important qualities. He runs things too much based on ego and his own whims. It's not just that he's rambling arbitrarily when he's speaking, that kind of erratic thinking really seems to make its way into his decision making. It was never more clear than when the Covid crisis happened and he was flailing all over the place with his attitude towards it (including his trademark facts that he seemingly makes up on the spot), leaving the US worse prepared than if he had taken it seriously by listening to people that know better. There I think Harris will at least be better suited to listen to people that understand matters better than she does. I don't have any problems believing that Trump is susceptible to flattering manipulation either.

I also don't think he's very good for the west when it comes to foreign policy, and I do believe that it's quite important for the west to stick together as China keeps growing in power (and that's likely to continue despite current hardships, as they play a long game), etc. I think he did some good, like telling NATO countries to hold up to the terms they've signed onto, but he did still do plenty of poor things, like strain the relationship between USA and Europe. That fact was most likely something Russia banked on when they tried to extort Europe through gas deliveries before the war. They hoped that the west was now divided to the point where getting it worse economically would be a bigger deal than solidarity. Fortunately they were wrong but their gamble still wasn't too wild. Trump also not understanding how much better it works to pressure China if he can get Europe to join him just shows that he's not good at dealing with situations where he's not at the top and holding most of the cards himself.

So it's not that I want Harris because she stands out in a positive way in general. I think she can be depended on to be a stable and predictable politician, which is enough to be way more suited than Trump.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Do you want to Donald Trump or Kamala Harris as the President?

Just curious what the result numbers will be like.

Please vote honestly.

From my perspective Trump is themost benign of both retards for Word peace. Biggest threat to world peace is escalation with Russia and it's not coming from Trump.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Voted doesn't matter. The entire system and culture is the problem, not any one particular political team or their chosen champion.

The idolising politicians, believing your team leader and their party is the messiah while the opposing team leader and their team is the Antichrist, the blind team cheerleading, the obscene vitriol delivered to those who follow the wrong team - even just identifying and labelling people based on their voting preferences - its all fucking bizarre and embarrassing, but we just shake our head and go "Americans"

Excellent point. Murrka is essentially à political duopoly controlled by corporations anyways.

 

[curryjunkie]

In my case it's mostly a view of who I think is the least appropriate candidate, which would be Trump. It's not that I think Harris is good but rather that Trump is exceptionally lacking of important qualities. He runs things too much based on ego and his own whims. It's not just that he's rambling arbitrarily when he's speaking, that kind of erratic thinking really seems to make its way into his decision making. It was never more clear than when the Covid crisis happened and he was flailing all over the place with his attitude towards it (including his trademark facts that he seemingly makes up on the spot), leaving the US worse prepared than if he had taken it seriously by listening to people that know better. There I think Harris will at least be better suited to listen to people that understand matters better than she does. I don't have any problems believing that Trump is susceptible to flattering manipulation either.

I also don't think he's very good for the west when it comes to foreign policy, and I do believe that it's quite important for the west to stick together as China keeps growing in power (and that's likely to continue despite current hardships, as they play a long game), etc. I think he did some good, like telling NATO countries to hold up to the terms they've signed onto, but he did still do plenty of poor things, like strain the relationship between USA and Europe. That fact was most likely something Russia banked on when they tried to extort Europe through gas deliveries before the war. They hoped that the west was now divided to the point where getting it worse economically would be a bigger deal than solidarity. Fortunately they were wrong but their gamble still wasn't too wild. Trump also not understanding how much better it works to pressure China if he can get Europe to join him just shows that he's not good at dealing with situations where he's not at the top and holding most of the cards himself.

So it's not that I want Harris because she stands out in a positive way in general. I think she can be depended on to be a stable and predictable politician, which is enough to be way more suited than Trump.

Agree with all of this, Harris is underwhelming...but she is far better than the man child trump.