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FISA Abuse Memo, prediction thread (update post 120 maybe)

SBJJ said:
He literally throws out insults in every thread.
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And it is all he is capable of doing. It's not a mix of insults + sound reasoning. He basically has nothing to offer. In the past, I have called him the poster of 100% gifs and 0% substance.
 
bareyb said:
I have to wonder sometimes if there are people out there who don't really want to know the truth and simply want to "be right" and by proxy for Trump to "be wrong" and the ends justify the means... Its the only explanation for seemingly intelligent people to be so one sided and blind to facts that don't support their narrative.

It's sad what it's come to. The media on both sides are biased. People HAVE to listen to and read material put out by people on the other side and make their own determination. If they are counting on CNN or FOX News to be completely accurate they're kidding themselves. Assuming of course, those folks are even interested in the truth and not just in "winning".
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Well said, you are absolutely correct. It amazes me when absolute fact is denounced by people just because it doesn't fit the narrative they want. The ends can justify the means only if its in aligned with their personal views.

Exactly, the two party system is meant to continue in fighting and keep people divided so that we pay less attention to immoral actions of our leaders. Listen to all of the information and decide for yourself but its much easier to have regurgitated talking points from MSM.
 
bareyb said:
The memo doesn't need to. It's common knowledge that the Russians fabricated the Dossier. You really think Trump asked a Hooker to Pee on his bed? Lol. It was chock full of salacious and unverified material, and that's a quote from Comey himself which he told to President Trump in their now notorious meeting. It's on record.

Andrew McCabe also testified in 2017 that "without the Dossier there would have been no Warrant". That's a fact and that's also on record. The rest is just noise.
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Saying it was "fabricated" doesn't make any sense considering all of the information that has turned out to be accurate. I just gave you a bunch of examples. And the pee-pee thing may or may not be false, we don't know. I doubt the fbi is spending a lot of time following up on that shit.

If McCabe's opinion is that the dossier was crucial to the warrant, that has no bearing on whether the warrant would have been refused if they included its source of funding (and that they did not is currently a disputed fact).

You guys seem to think they used some white out and a marker and then stapled the report to an application. "Here's some evidence we got called the Stoole Report, your honor. It is definitely not from some guy named Steele that's been an informer for us for years! We're sure it's accurate so...". The whole idea sounds ridiculous.
 
Bamboozled said:
There is presumably a memo that hasn't been altered if it's been altered right?

I'm just some idiot who signed up for sherdog and got sucked in like the rest of you.
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You don't know any of the background information well enough to have an actual discussion. Read up, and come back when you have even a modicum of an idea as to what is going on.
 
sickc0d3r said:
Saying it was "fabricated" doesn't make any sense considering all of the information that has turned out to be accurate. I just gave you a bunch of examples. And the pee-pee thing may or may not be false, we don't know. I doubt the fbi is spending a lot of time following up on that shit.

If McCabe's opinion is that the dossier was crucial to the warrant, that has no bearing on whether the warrant would have been refused if they included its source of funding (and that they did not is currently a disputed fact).
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It was fabricated by the Russians for the most part. Where do you think Steele got most of the material contained in it? From "Russian Sources close to the Kremlin". That's not really in question. As for it being accurate that's not what's been shown at all. It's been discredited by almost everyone involved and is the main reason why Steele couldn't even get the anti Trump News agencies to buy it and print it. Even Comey said it was full of Salacious and unverified material. That doesn't sound like "most of it is true" to me.

McCabe didn't just say it "was crucial" he testified that without the Dossier there would have been no warrant. It was created as opposition political research and paid for by the Clinton Campaign AND the Yahoo News story they used to back that up was PLANTED by Steele himself! Do you really think the Court could have given a warrant based on that? I think it's clear the FBI left all that out of the application precisely because they knew it would tank the warrant. Seems pretty obvious to anyone who cares to think about it objectively.
 
bareyb said:
It was fabricated by the Russians for the most part. Where do you think Steele got most of the material contained in it? From "Russian Sources close to the Kremlin". That's not really in question. As for it being accurate that's not what's been shown at all. It's been discredited by almost everyone involved and is the main reason why Steele couldn't even get the anti Trump News agencies to buy it and print it. Even Comey said it was full of Salacious and unverified material. That doesn't sound like "most of it is true" to me.
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The time to trust Russians is when it benefits the DNC. Obviously.
 
EZShrimpn said:
The time to trust Russians is when it benefits the DNC. Obviously.
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Can you imagine if it came out that it was Trump who used Russian sponsored Oppo Research to get a FISA warrant to spy on the Clinton Campaign, and he never disclosed that he'd paid for it and that he'd planted a false story on Yahoo to back himself up? They'd be screaming for his head. When it's Trump in the line of fire, the MSM is doing everything in their power to bury the story and imply that this is all a "nothing burger". It's crazy...
 
bareyb said:
It was fabricated by the Russians for the most part. Where do you think Steele got most of the material contained in it? From "Russian Sources close to the Kremlin". That's not really in question. As for it being accurate that's not what's been shown at all. It's been discredited by almost everyone involved and is the main reason why Steele couldn't even get the anti Trump News agencies to buy it and print it. Even Comey said it was full of Salacious and unverified material. That doesn't sound like "most of it is true" to me.

McCabe didn't just say it "was crucial" he testified that without the Dossier there would have been no warrant. It was created as opposition political research and paid for by the Clinton Campaign AND the Yahoo News story they used to back that up was PLANTED by Steele himself! Do you really think the Court could have given a warrant based on that? I think it's clear the FBI left all that out of the application precisely because they knew it would tank the warrant. Seems pretty obvious to anyone who cares to think about it objectively.
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You think all the people named in the report that later plead guilty or got caught lying about contact with Russians and resigned or were fired are coincidences? Steele was a long time informant for the fbi who was paid by the republicans and the dnc and Clinton and then again by the fbi to get information. He'd probably still be on the payroll if he didn't break the rules by running his mouth. A lot of information in the dossier has turned out to be true, and there could be more to come. That is an indisputable fact.

You have no idea what was in the application and neither do I. The warrant was issued multiple times over and several people have since plead guilty or soon will, so the likelihood that the fbi didn't crosscheck anything and just handed info to the judge seems very unlikely to me. That is the objective position here. Not blindly accepting everything written in a memo by a partisan who has never even read the application. Sorry.
 
sickc0d3r said:
You have no idea what was in the application and neither do I. The warrant was issued multiple times over and several people have since plead guilty or soon will, so the likelihood that the fbi didn't crosscheck anything and just handed info to the judge seems very unlikely to me. That is the objective position here. Not blindly accepting everything written in a memo by a partisan who has never even read the application. Sorry.
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Well. We do know that the FBI never disclosed the fact that the Dossier was funded by the Clinton Campaign and that the story on Yahoo was planted by Steele himself. They also never disclosed that Steele had shopped it around to various news agencies and none of them could carry the story because it was based on innuendo and unsubstantiated claims.

That's black and white. It's either true or it's not, and I highly doubt Nunes would've put something so easily verifiable in his Memo. If that parts true and I think it is, then it brings the whole underlying FISA warrant into question. Even the FBI Director at the time in charge of the investigation said there'd be no warrant without the Dossier. If the FISA Judge had known the origin and funding of the Dossier it wouldn't have been granted. That's precisely why (IMO) the FBI hid those details from the Court.
 
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bareyb said:
Lol. Keep on dreamin


Agree. This is just the tip of the iceberg unfortunately. They deceived a Federal Judge and that's a crime (18USC242 to be exact). That's not gonna go away easily. This is bad now, but it's looking like it's gonna get a lot worse. ;)
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You'd have to prove they knew the sources of funding and that any misleading parts of the dossier were what caused the warrant to be granted. Testimony like McCabe's is a good start, but really that's as close as you're going to get.
 
bareyb said:
Well. We do know that the FBI never disclosed the fact that the Dossier was funded by the Clinton Campaign and that the story on Yahoo was planted by Steele himself.
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No we don't. That is highly in dispute. Only Nunes is claiming this, and he never actually read the FISA warrant that his memo is allegedly based on.

bareyb said:
That's black and white. It's either true or it's not, and I highly doubt Nunes would've put something so easily verifiable in his Memo.
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A huge, and indefensible leap of faith on your part.

bareyb said:
ven the FBI Director at the time in charge of the investigation said there'd be no warrant with the Dossier.
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Also highly disputed. But, if true, so what?
 
HomerThompson said:
No we don't. That is highly in dispute. Only Nunes is claiming this, and he never actually read the FISA warrant that his memo is allegedly based on.


A huge, and indefensible leap of faith on your part.


Also highly disputed. But, if true, so what?
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No. Maybe. and No. ;)

We DO know the FBI never disclosed any of that. Nunes took that information directly from the FISA proceedings. You really think he changed what was in the original documents and is lying about something so easily verifiable? I don't... as for the last part. No. McCabe testified under oath that the FISA warrant would not have even been sought without the Dossier. That's on record and verified independently by people who were in the room.
 
bareyb said:
No. Maybe. and No. ;)

We DO know the FBI never disclosed any of that. Nunes took that information directly from the FISA warrant. You really think he changed what was in the original warrant and is lying about something so easily verifiable? I don't... as for the last part. No. McCabe testified under oat that the FISA warrant would not have even been sought without the Dossier. That's on record and verified independently by people who were in the room.
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Source any of your claims with actual evidence. I've already established that Nunes didn't read the FISA warrant. How could he take the information directly from something he never read?

So, maybe a staffer, or someone at the White House made it. So what? We still have no reason to believe their claims without any evidence. Everything they are claiming is being heavily rebutted, and none of the underlying documents have been released yet.

For a final time. There is no evidence for the claims that Nunes is making. None.
 
bareyb said:
If the FISA Judge had known the origin and funding of the Dossier it wouldn't have been granted.
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You have to make a huge assumption that the information wasn't crosschecked against existing data or vetted to believe this. Informants and spies are rarely boyscouts, and they do not have to be neutral about the information they provide.
 
sickc0d3r said:
You have to make a huge assumption that the information wasn't crosschecked against existing data or vetted to believe this. Informants and spies are rarely boyscouts, and they do not have to be neutral about the information they provide.
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Not really a huge assumption at all that the FBI used an unverified Dossier and hid material facts from the FISA Judge in order to get it granted. I think that's pretty hard to dispute at this point. It's also not a huge leap to think if the FISA judge had known the origin and who paid for it, and knew that it had been shopped around to various News Sources (and turned down) AND that the corroborating story was a planted story by Steele himself that he wouldn't have granted the warrant. That's precisely why (IMO) the FBI hid those details from the Court.
 
HomerThompson said:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/03/politics/memo-dossier-christopher-steele-carter-page/index.html

FISA court knew who was backing the dossier. Nunes was lying. Shocking.
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Well come on Homer... That's based on Adam Schiff. He's a partisan hack and has already been caught lying and exagerating multiple times. Isn't he the one who said the Memo was full of sources and methods and was going to destroy America if it got released, and then suddenly the next day said it was a nothing burger?

If you read what he actually said, he said "the memo's assertion is "not accurate," saying the court was aware that there was a "likely political motivation" behind the Steele dossier". That's not the same thing as saying the Courts were aware that it was paid for by Hillary and the DNC, and the corroborating story on Yahoo was planted by Steele himself. You really think the FISA court would have granted a warrant with such material omissions? Schiff is just spinning. The guy's as Schifty as the sand.
 
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bareyb said:
Well come on Homer... That's based on Adam Schiff. He's a partisan hack and has already been caught lying and exagerating multiple times. Isn't he the one who said the Memo was full of sources and methods and was going to destroy America if it got released, and then suddenly the next day said it was a nothing burger? The guy's as shifty as the sand.
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As I said earlier, your trolling is terrible. I've said my piece.
 
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