Crime Firearms

USA!USA! said:
My state requires an ID to own a firearm, and I have had one for a long time just in case I wanted one, but never bought a gun. Have been thinking about it for awhile. I live in an urban area, and might just opt for a shotgun for my house. I don't really want to carry a firearm or have any excuse to bring it out unless I need to. Feel like with a handgun you can find more excuses to have it around often since it is so small and easy to carry. I'd rather not be tempted to bring out the firearm unless I really needed it.
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Could always exercise a bit of control and just let it sit in the holster all day and like not pull it out and wave it around ?
 
Gutter Chris said:
Could always exercise a bit of control and just let it sit in the holster all day and like not pull it out and wave it around ?
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I could. I'd just rather not even give myself or any of my family members the option to pull it out and wave it around for stupid reasons. The man who I bought my house from literally shot a hole in his hand fucking around with handguns because he thought he heard something at night. It happens - I don't think I would, but would rather not even have the option for anyone in my house.
 
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Eat My Teep said:
Yikes.

An AR15 with frangible ammunition is your best home defense weapon, bar none. It will not over penetrate, you have plenty of ammunition capacity, you can have all the necessary accessories to make it safe (light, sling, optic) and effective. It's low recoil, more effective/safe than a handgun, way easier to use than a shotgun.

I always recommend people get a training class or two, cost considering. There's a plethora of appropriate youtube videos to augment. PM me if you want more state specific information. @hamlin
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Do you recommend a California legal one or go about it the illegal way?
 
USA!USA! said:
I could. I'd just rather not even give myself or any of my family members the option to pull it out and wave it around for stupid reasons. The man who I bought my house from literally shot a hole in his hand fucking around with handguns because he thought he heard something at night. It happens - I don't think I would, but would rather not even have the option for anyone in my house.
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I have all of my guns in safes. Inside the safes, all of the guns are in holsters. The autoloader pistols are always put away without one in the chamber (though my revolvers are loaded). My EDC pistols which I wear a lot are in holsters, in safes, and the safes are oriented so that when I take a gun out of one it is pointed into my yard. I can load or unload it depending on the time of day, put it back in my holster, and put it on. I literally do the most to make sure I don't have a negligent discharge.

The only time a gun is out of a holster and loaded is for the seconds it takes me to put it back in one. I almost never have an exposed trigger out anywhere.

Then, I only clean them when I'm home alone.

I agree, it is important to be as careful as possible by having a system you stick to. Supposedly, the vast majority of self defense shootings (like 80% and no I'm not going to site a source) the shooter had time to retrieve a gun from a safe, rather than needing to draw it. If you buy one and keep it in a safe, it can be pretty safe and you get most of the benefit out of having it.

Then, for self defense, there are a lot of splitting hairs on the most aggressive you can be drawing it, but I try to assume that I won't have castle doctrine or stand your ground, that the gun is for breaking contact with an egregious threat, and that I won't draw it if I have any other way out.
 
SummerStriker said:
I have all of my guns in safes. Inside the safes, all of the guns are in holsters. The autoloader pistols are always put away without one in the chamber (though my revolvers are loaded). My EDC pistols which I wear a lot are in holsters, in safes, and the safes are oriented so that when I take a gun out of one it is pointed into my yard. I can load or unload it depending on the time of day, put it back in my holster, and put it on. I literally do the most to make sure I don't have a negligent discharge.

The only time a gun is out of a holster and loaded is for the seconds it takes me to put it back in one. I almost never have an exposed trigger out anywhere.

Then, I only clean them when I'm home alone.

I agree, it is important to be as careful as possible by having a system you stick to. Supposedly, the vast majority of self defense shootings (like 80% and no I'm not going to site a source) the shooter had time to retrieve a gun from a safe, rather than needing to draw it. If you buy one and keep it in a safe, it can be pretty safe and you get most of the benefit out of having it.

Then, for self defense, there are a lot of splitting hairs on the most aggressive you can be drawing it, but I try to assume that I won't have castle doctrine or stand your ground, that the gun is for breaking contact with an egregious threat, and that I won't draw it if I have any other way out.
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You have a safe, inside of a safe?

Why not put those inside of a safe too?
 
What part of California are you in? I know a few decent training places in Southern California.
 
hamlin said:
I don't really want to own them but the nutbags in this country you have to. Horrible that my thought process that I'll shoot to kill if you enter my property.

I'll buy a decent couple of guns. A handgun next to the bed, the same in the lounge.

Which courses have you been on to get your license? I renewed my Guard Card but not needed apparently.

After the shooting of 3 kids the other week with a person legally allowed to buy guns while under doctor care, wondering how easy it is to get your hands on damaging weapons.
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I can understand how you feel but having a gun in the home actually makes your family less safe. If there is a gun in the house someone living there is more likely to be shot. It is really that simple.

If you want to keep your family safe then keep the guns out of the house.
 
HomeCheese said:
I can understand how you feel but having a gun in the home actually makes your family less safe. If there is a gun in the house someone living there is more likely to be shot. It is really that simple.

If you want to keep your family safe then keep the guns out of the house.
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the more defenseless you are, the safer you are!

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HomeCheese said:
I can understand how you feel but having a gun in the home actually makes your family less safe. If there is a gun in the house someone living there is more likely to be shot. It is really that simple.

If you want to keep your family safe then keep the guns out of the house.
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Or ya know just like be responsible with your firearms and like totally resist the urge to do foolish shit. You make it seem difficult and yet since you like statistics most of us manage every day to not kill ourselves and our loved ones.

You think gun life is weird and I don't get it ....to me not trusting yourself is the thing that's strange. It's not that it hasn't happened yet its that I'm positive I'm not going to shoot myself or my wife. I'm not a moron .....do you think that you and fingercuffs are ?
 
Gutter Chris said:
Or ya know just like be responsible with your firearms and like totally resist the urge to do foolish shit. You make it seem difficult and yet since you like statistics most of us manage every day to not kill ourselves and our loved ones.

You think gun life is weird and I don't get it ....to me not trusting yourself is the thing that's strange. It's not that it hasn't happened yet its that I'm positive I'm not going to shoot myself or my wife. I'm not a moron .....do you think that you and fingercuffs are ?
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What's your argument exactly? That even though statistics clearly demonstrate that having a gun in the home makes the people living there less safe, guns actually make your family more safe because you are better than the average person?

Don't you think just about every gun owner trusts themselves to not kill their family? I think we can agree that 99.9% of gun owners are like you and think that they would not shoot their own family.

How are you better?
 
HomeCheese said:
What's your argument exactly? That even though statistics clearly demonstrate that having a gun in the home makes the people living there less safe, guns actually make your family more safe because you are better than the average person?

Don't you think just about every gun owner trusts themselves to not kill their family? I think we can agree that 99.9% of gun owners are like you and think that they would not shoot their own family.

How are you better?
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I don't think it is that high. I think many gun owners have a chip on their shoulder, and buy the gun because they hope that it will grant them a certain level of respectability they weren't otherwise commanding.
 
rob mafia said:
the more defenseless you are, the safer you are!

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It's may seem nuanced to you but statistics are very clear; if there is a gun in the home someone living there is more likely to be shot.

So the folks that imagine themselves as protectors of their family because they have guns are actually putting their family at greater risk.

Do you understand?
 
HomeCheese said:
It's may seem nuanced to you but statistics are very clear; if there is a gun in the home someone living there is more likely to be shot.

So the folks that imagine themselves as protectors of their family because they have guns are actually putting their family at greater risk.

Do you understand?
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I think it is kinda a cheaters dilima. People who don't own guns have an unearned degree of safety because it isn't necessarily clear to passersby that they are unarmed. If the odds of any given household being unarmed increased, so to would the danger.
 
HomeCheese said:
I can understand how you feel but having a gun in the home actually makes your family less safe. If there is a gun in the house someone living there is more likely to be shot. It is really that simple.

If you want to keep your family safe then keep the guns out of the house.
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It’s called a gun safe try to stay up on the advancements in technology @HomeCheese
 
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