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Finnegan's Wake

Finnegan, maybe I missed it, but I just read your whole log and didn't see it...How long have you been grappling?
Krellik is tossing some awesome advice your way on the pummeling. The best wrestler I ever went against (in a judo class), actually pummeled with his head in addition to his hands and arms. It was almost like he was head butting me. He was one tough dude: collegiate wrestler, Iraq war vet, cop... he'd push with his head like a bull. Something to think about maybe.
 
Finnegan, maybe I missed it, but I just read your whole log and didn't see it...How long have you been grappling?
Krellik is tossing some awesome advice your way on the pummeling. The best wrestler I ever went against (in a judo class), actually pummeled with his head in addition to his hands and arms. It was almost like he was head butting me. He was one tough dude: collegiate wrestler, Iraq war vet, cop... he'd push with his head like a bull. Something to think about maybe.

I've been grappling about 6 months, and nearly all of that has been ground work focusing on position/ subs/ sub defense. No high school wrestling, no Judo as a kid; nothing.
 
Zercher Assistance Day (yeah, I said it.)

Wide Stance Deep Squats
165 x 8
185 x 8
205 x 8
225 x 8
255 x 8

Ultra Wide Stance Hack Squats
135 x 8
185 x 8
205 x 8
255 x 8
275 x 8

Wide Stance BW Deep Squats
10, 3 sets; 5 second pause and bounce in the hole

Incline Bench Press
205 x 8
215 x 8
225 x 8
245 x 8
245 x 10
245 x 5 (regular bench press for fun)

Chinups
3,3,3,5,5,5,7,7,7,10 Total: 55

Dips
BW x 10, 3 sets

Misc:
a couple of light sumo deadlifts, straight leg deadlifts, narrow grip hack squats, a lot of stretching (bouncing) etc.

Impressions The wide and deep squats I did by basically doing a good morning off of the top collars of the bench, so that really limited my weight options. Still, it went okay.

The ultra wide hack squat (my feet were about 3 inches from the plates) is awesome for the sticking point on my Zercher deadlift. Word of warning: wear pants with a belt or some compression shorts beneath, as I lost my shorts every single set.

Dips I did between two beds at work.
 
Krellik is tossing some awesome advice your way on the pummeling. The best wrestler I ever went against (in a judo class), actually pummeled with his head in addition to his hands and arms. It was almost like he was head butting me. He was one tough dude: collegiate wrestler, Iraq war vet, cop... he'd push with his head like a bull. Something to think about maybe.

Indead the head is an important part of pummeling and deffinitively a weapon that needs to be used in the clinch.

I just re read my advice and if you actually havent got that much instruction in the pummeling game I definitively could have been more specific and helpfull, hope you dont get annoyed that I elaborate a bit more even though you havent asked for it, when my head have started to spin I find it is always helpfull to write my thoughts down for my own sake to.

1. The basis for the pummeling is the simple "swimming drill", where you are starting out with one overhook/ one underhook, here it is the same as in the normal thaiclinch drill where you both swim hands, you both reach in for another underhook at the same time effectively meaning you both switch hands.
Even though the feel of digging your hands in is identicall as in the thaiclinch drill the posture is completely different, in the thaiclinch you want to be "dick to dick" with your hips thrusting forward into eachother, as upright and on your toes as possible and actively pulling back with your head.
In the greco clinch pummeling you are leaning into him, including with your head, and you are -driving- forward. You arent as hunched over as a freestyle wrestler looking to shoot, but you are indeed driving into him. Now if you are a big guy and used to not putting all your weight on smaller guys, stop that imediatelly and learn to put your weight on your partner as effectively as possible. If he is not doing the same you should be driving him into the wall. This dynamic is important for making the simple swimming drill dynamic, weight forward and driving.
2. Begin with just swimming with your hands, its complex as it is, no footwork, start out with ligth swimming, first thing you check for is if your elbows are flaring up to the sides (newbie warning) dont let them, pull them into your sides, it is like you are having a rubberband in your elbows pulling them into the sides. The difference in "light pummeling" and hard pummeling is that in light pummeling you are only having a light thin rubberband pulling them in, in hard pummeling you are squesing those arms into the side as hard as possible.
3. The object of the fast flow swimming is to get a fast flow into it, take some time and make sure you both get fluent in it, you can pretty soon go really fast, that is good.
-A finner point but that I found very helpfull in getting beginers to get more efficient in this is to look for a "double tap" in the swimming. What I mean by that is that in the pummeling motion since you are both going "from side to side" and leaning forward your shoulder is slamming into eachother pretty hard with each switch. That shoulder slam is your cue for taking your hand from the outside of his arm (your overhook) to the inside of the arm digging for the underhook. For me that means a simple small "steering wheel" motion where you make your hand thin and punch it straight through his armpit.

4. In the hard pummeling you are really making it hard to get the underhook this is a hard grinding game that builds strengthendurance. Lastly master a hybrid variation where you are making it rather hard to get in, but also are going pretty fast, this is a grueling variation.
Also somewhere along the way add footwork into it, stepping a small step while you are digging for the underhook.

5. From these variation start the "underhook wrestling" or simply the progression of pummeling where you are stop "swimming in unison" and instead simply are wrestling for position. Start out with simply having one goal, to clasp your hands together firmly in a double underhook. Both from the front, from the side and from the back (suplex position) with your hands clasped/bearhuged under his counts as doubles and winning the game.

-As soon as you start "wrestling live" this means you get more options for fucking with the other guys balance, this is good to do, since you both is driving into eachother the simplest thing to do is to simply step backwards or even better twisting backwards in one direction violently. Also play around with differnent slight changes is posture, where you are having your head, levelchanges, etc...

-Also you will notice that the swimming motion for the double underhooks is essential, but also let this "free pummeling" be free where and how you grip, play around with one underhook/one thaiclinch (collar tie) for instance, or grip one of his wrists or put your hands on his bicep and steer him that way like driving wheel, or any other thing you can think of.
This should be a loose playing but still intense and physical game, since you aint getting slammed, dare to play around a bit.

-You will pretty soon notice that going low with your head prevents getting in for the double underhook, so when you done quite a bit of just wrestling for double underhooks (several training sessions) add in more positional stuff, namely front headlock, and even the guiljotine later. (take the sub and get the tap), generally you want to add in more things to strive for slowly so the game remains focussed and simple. The most logicall are the tree mentioned plus snatching up a leg for the single leg (if you can snatch one leg you can also get the double but you dont have to slam the other dude).

-If you are on wrestling mats/tatami the logicall progression is to add in free sparring with throws and shoots where you start out clinched up.
-A great pummeling progression for basicly a complete uperbody warmup is light swimming/ hard swimming /fast-hard swimming (a few minutes of each, say 2-3 for instance) upping the intensity, perhaps then 5-10-15 minutes somewhere of free pummeling going fairly hard and then if you got the option free sparring with throws and shots.

...And I am not trying to sound like a wrestling badass in no way, but I helped start a small mma/submission wrestling club in a small town and plenty of months we only trained on concrete floors with a small padded corner for groundwork (that thin shit you sleep on when you camp and yogamaths, lol, but I learned a good deal on grappling while slipping around on that shit) and obviously you aint doing shots and throws on that. So to get as complete of mma training as possible we pummeled, and we pummeled a lot. Since a lot of people started and quit I got very good at breaking the pummel down and making it efficient.
And when we finally got out of the concrete "mine" as we called our first training ground we got to train with the local very good greco roman club that accepted us mma roughnecks. Altough none of us was really good in wrestling (mostly me that had held the pummeling part) and most of our guys only had trained months instead of the years the greco boys had trained, this focus on pummeling made our guys do suprisingly good in sparring with the greco boys. And not to mention the large chunk of the greco roman guys training was devoted to pummeling or "threading" that they called it in swedish greco lingo.

...Hope this helped. I found it helpfull to write it down.
 
^^^That is one awesome fucking post! Hopefully, you cross post it to the Grappling forum, as this is solid stuff. Thanks again for the the advice. I'm basically in a small MMA club as well (grappling mats consist of 1 layer carpet, 1 layer interlocking mats, and 1 layer cardboard for a total of 1" thickness).
I'll have to bug my sparring partners to get on the ball with this, probably going to have to be outside of normal class.
 
^^^That is one awesome fucking post! Hopefully, you cross post it to the Grappling forum, as this is solid stuff. Thanks again for the the advice. I'm basically in a small MMA club as well (grappling mats consist of 1 layer carpet, 1 layer interlocking mats, and 1 layer cardboard for a total of 1" thickness).
I'll have to bug my sparring partners to get on the ball with this, probably going to have to be outside of normal class.

Nah those fuckers are to grumpy in the grappling forum. Usually get better discussions going in the training logs oddly enough...:wink:

And yeah outside of class is the way to go, you dont even have to be in the training room nescesary. You will get results quick but it is definitively one of those things where you want to put in several short (or long lol) sessions a week for a few weeks until you "get it".. It usually just starts clicking for a while.
 
Pummelling = awesomeness

My favourite drill for this is based around what krellik said, 'swimming' with your partner for a while then you both try to wrestle for underhooks before going back to swimming. either have someone on the outside shouting when to start competing for underhooks or use a countdown timer.

Anyone else use uchikomi with pummeling, you swim in for underhooks and then takwe it in turns to set up a throw or takedown. So we'll be pummeling and then I'll do a throw of my choice, go back to pummeling then my partner does one, and so on. normally it works best to just work the set up but not throw the other guy, so once you've got them off-balance put them back down and start over.
 
I can hold an opponent in it and move him around, but really haven't learned much from there.

My favourite from the thai clinch was usually to set up a snapdown.

Firstly, make sure that when youve got the clinch, you pull the back of the guys head towards you and drive your elbows forward into his collarbone. Then start driving him backward. He pushes back into you to stop you driving him backwards, you stop pushing, step back slightly and yank his head downwards.

At this point, he's falling forward off balance. I had several options from here. Easiest was a guillotine, normally very easy to do due to his being off balance. Alternatively, I used to go to a front headlock, then sag my hips back and drag him down to the matt in the turtle position. From there, go to the back. My flashiest, and favourite move, if I managed to get enough of a snapdown that the guy basically just fell almost straight down into the turtle, was the move that Genki Sudo used against Leigh Remedios at UFC 38. It works on any opponent thats face down with his hips off the mat, so turtle position, guys turning into you from side control to try and get a leg, and so on. As the guy goes down, you step off to one side, say to your right. Take your left arm and drive it across his throat. Now, you basically use this as a lever to spin onto the guys back. Spin across, fold your right arm across your left for the RNC, and drive your legs into position.

Its a lot easier to watch than it is to describe, its at 5.15 of this HL. Genki kind of does it the long way around there, but you can get the idea, I think. If not, maybe I can record you a vid. I used to hit this so many times off transitions, when people are moving their position isnt as tight as if, say, they were already turtled, so you can get away with it. The only problem I would see is that it might not be as easy for someone of your size.

If the guy pulls away from you while youve got the thai clinch on, then there are other options. You can just push the guy, and he'll probably fall over backwards, easy takedown. Alternatively, resist for a second by pulling him to you, then let go and drop for a leg or try to get underhooks as he staggers backwards off balance.

I am absolutely zero authority on grappling, but thats what Ive always liked.
 
Shit me that was a long post.

Good one though.
The snapdown to front headlock was something that I've worked on a bit, but I can't get it in sparring yet. I wasn't driving my opponent backward before the attempt though. The way I was showed went like this: Grab opponent by the back of the head and apply heavy downward pressure until he resists. We does, let up on the pressure for a second until he relaxes, and then jerk his head down violently.
I'll give your method a shot next time and let you know how it works for me.
 
What the backwards push does is makes him lean into you to keep balance. You then step back and hes got nothing to lean on, you basically just let him do all the work.
 
Firetending
5 days.
Weather Almost constant drizzle with sporadic rains, 45-85 degrees every day.

Wednesday
I arrive at the festival sight around 1 AM. To my suprise, a fire is already going on the main field. I park the car, put on my gloves, and head over. It was just a big pile of burning wood, nothing fancy. It was an easy tend. Sleep: 4 hours

Thursday
Nothing complicated here either. The centerpiece was one of the stumps that we pulled out of the creek from a couple of weeks ago. It went okay. Stayed up until dawn and got completely ripped on Rum and OJ. Sleep: 6 hours

Friday
Most of the firetenders had shown up, as well most festival goers. All in all, about 150 people. Our woodpile from two weeks ago was nuked. We built a 12 foot, three sided cabin. It was the biggest burn we'd done on the site, and it behaved beautifully. I'll post pics as soon as the site owners e-mail them. I passed out 2 scoops of N.O. Xplode for the firetenders, and we got a little squirrly (burned everything but the saturday night chimney stump) Stayed up until dawn, then got trashed on Rum and Coke, Apple Jack (apple cider and Jack Daniels) and Rum and OJ. Sleep: 4 hours (the last until 1 AM Monday)

Saturday As soon as woke up and went to relieve myself, one of the lead tenders comes up to me and tells me gotta go bust wood. I sigh, down a can of Corned Beef/ Hash, and go haul wood for two hours. After that, I took some time off and didn't help set the fire for the night.
The centerpiece was crazy! At one point, one of the sides was starting to get dangerous, so I through on a leather trench coat, and grabbed a 80+ lb log for a brace. One of the tenders forced the 8 foot chimney log up with a pole, I had to dive in beneath it where the 2600 degree coals are, pull out the old brace as two other guys through in the new one. I tended for a couple more hours, and decided it was time to take a break and party. I unclipped my red suspenders (meaning I went off duty) and mixed up a jug of Wild Turkey Honey Liquor and Apple Pie mead. I got fairly lit and wandered off into the darkness with a lovely young lady. Just as it was getting good, it went really bad.
Someone at the fire was drunk, and stumbled into an equally drunk woman w/ a degenerative bone disease. She went down hard and started to seizure. Our medical team was on it and stablized her. We had to put out road flares to guide the ambulance in. When they got there, she refused treatment after 45 minutes of screaming and flailing around. We couldn't believe it. We offered to take her to the hospital, but she again told us to fuck off. The next morning, we found out that she cracked a vertebrae. Crazy shit, but nothing we can really do.
The rest of the night went well. The drunk guy who slammed into the brittle woman felt he had to "atone" for it. In his drunken logic, that meant he had to break a couple of boards, preferably with his head. I talked him out of that. He grabbed a log and leaned it against a stump. I convinced him that maybe boards would be better. He kind of agreed, and thankfully didn't break his hand as it bounced off the boards.
Since I was off duty, I drank a lot the whole night; and a crazy amount in the morning. No sleep until 12 AM Monday

Sunday
Sat around recovering mostly. Small fire that night that didn't require a full time firetender. Sleep: 8 hours

Monday
Woke up, came home.

Impressions I had a blast at the event. Except to the accident on Saturday night, everything went smooth. We had some crazily dangerous looking fires that behaved like a well mannered butler for us. No one got burned, no one went down w/ dehydration or heat exhaustion, and everyone had a great time. I'll post pics when they get e-mailed to me. The cabin was the favorite burn I've ever tended, and I can't wait to more of them.
 
Aww i saw pummeling! great for greco and such. swimmin with your partner!
 
Aww i saw pummeling! great for greco and such. swimmin with your partner!

That reminds me, the Greco guy I was supposed to work with got sick and barely moved. Oh well. I'll see him again in three weeks.
 
Sounds cool. Man, I love a good sleepless bender. The combination of alcohol and sleep deprivation makes for great stories.
 
Zercher Deadlift (off the floor)
205 x 5
225 x 5
245 x 5
265 x 5
275 x 5 (4 rep PR)
300 x 2 (singles) + 25 lb PR


Zercher Deep Squats
205 x 5
225 x 5

Pullups
3,3,3,5,5,5 total: 24

Impressions After watching Smashius's excellent Zercher DL video today, I saw how he got under the bar, and smacked myself on the head. This time, I did a couple of light Zercher Squats with an emphasis on depth before the deadlifts. I was able to get under the bar, and inch my feet closer together. This put a lot of strain on my elbows and forearms, but I eventually got them placed much closer together for an off the floor lift. 300 came up easy both times, and I'm confident that my numbers on this lift will improve rapidly now.
Thanks Smashius.
 
Submission Grappling
1 hour
Focus on: Leverage and reversals
Impressions
Got a sparring partner to pummel with me for a few minutes before the session started. Timing was awkward, but it wasn't too bad after a couple of minutes. The session itself was good. I got a few reversals/ escapes from half gaurd, so I was happy with that. I didn't get tossed too much.
Core strength still improving. I worked on using leverage and torsion. Its still slow going, but I feel I'm improving.
Didn't get a chance to use a snapdown. Maybe next time.

Misc
Had my sparring partner hold the mits for me before the session as well. I worked on jabs a bit, and the jab-cross-jab combo.
 
Bench Press
205 x 5
255 x 5
275 x 5
285 x 5
300 x 1

Strict OP
110 x 5
135 x 5
145 x 5
155 x 5
160 x 4

Dumbell Bench Press
55 x 8
75 x 8, 2 sets

Chinups
3, 3 sets
5, 3 sets
7, 3 sets
10, 1 set
Total: 55

Leg Raises
20, 3 sets

Impressions
First day back on heavy bench in a few weeks, so I'm not suprised w/ the 300 x 1 rep. I added the db bench press for some beyond ROM work. SOP was okay today as a secondary lift. I feel its coming along.
I'm very pleased with my progress on the chinups. They are getting easier.
 
Hows the sub grappling comin along?

Its going well. We didn't have a lot of intense sparring this session, instead focusing on technique and reversals. Torsion from the bottom is much improved on half gaurd reversals. That was the most noticable improvement I saw this time around.
 
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