Fighting w/your hands down

Michael Wanaka said:
Yeah, and because you think you're oscar delahoya. And if you're delahoya, i'm hopkins :D

Why do you only reply to what I say?! Say something productive and stop following me into threads. And Im trying to be Roy Jones Jr, you think your Tarver. Sadly I have never seen Delahoya fight.
 
Dominic Kihlstrand said:
Why do you only reply to what I say?! Say something productive and stop following me into threads. And Im trying to be Roy Jones Jr, you think your Tarver. Sadly I have never seen Delahoya fight.

Fine. Did you train today? I only made it in from 12-1, then i had to go to work.


I just say you're oscar delahoya becauseyou've been playing with fighting with one hand down lately.
 
Michael Wanaka said:
Fine. Did you train today? I only made it in from 12-1, then i had to go to work.


I just say you're oscar delahoya becauseyou've been playing with fighting with one hand down lately.

I was unable to train, again, because of work, but i have 2 weeks vacation from saterday and friday work!! w00t!!

Also, Im a lot like Oscar DLH, exept without the head movement.

Remember what I always tell myself. Drop your hands, think of Roy Jones Jr. and all your dreams will come true. Mostly from brain damage, but its all the same to me.
 
Dominic Kihlstrand said:
Some people are good at it, some people arent. Its something you really have to work on. If you say dropping your hands is a bad idea because one guy did it, talk to Roy Jones Jr. He does it pretty well. To each his own, I try not to judge just because one person either did it right or did it wrong.

That's totally true. RJJ was great at keeping his chin tucked, upper body movement, and then firing that jab from the hip from different angles. It's really frustrating to get beat by a guy who's good at this technique in a striking match.
 
HelioBoy said:
Watching a lot of MMA and MT, I've noticed a lot of fighters do not fight with their hands up. Blame it on fatigue or whatever, why do they do this? Is it because they are lazy? A lot of my instructors are always telling me to "bring my hands up" and etc. Here is a fight where they drop their hands and it's the first round:

http://s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3CN9HZOHG2GIV0ES66T6JT687O

Also when watching people like Wand Silva and other strikers, they throw a lot of haymakers and punches that seem out of control. They also throw another punch before they even bring their last punch back to their face. Can anyone explain?



you can get away with some bad habits in mma that you cant get away with in boxing.(as far as keeping your hands up)

but for every guy who keeps his hands down and does okay, theres probably 2 guys who dropped their hands and payed for it.
 
I've noticed alot of the ghetto kids at my school fighting with their hands down (one down holding the belt, the other up by the jawline), and when it happens they get clocked.
 
A lot of guys drop their hands because they're tired, too. Happened to me...just make sure you're out of punching range if you shake your arms out.
 
I'm not expert at the stand up yet but in my experience from other sports, when you reach a certain level and have a certain level of talent, you can get away with breaking the rules of fundamentals of your sport in certain situations for your benefit. Look at some of the shots the top tennis players execute.

Generally at the lower levels, the fundamental rules are there for a reason
 
when i first started boxing i would spar my instructer at the end of class and he would always drop one hand so for the first month or two i would think oh an opening and go for it and would recive a jab right in the nose everytime i could never get my punch in so i think fighting with the hands down or at least one hand down throws things off for your oponent
 
To avoid confusion, and maybe newer fighters who dont use this tactic feel its a taunt, it isnt. you do it for one or more of three reasons. A) lure your opponent in thinking theres an easy head shot and catch him off a nice counter. B) your opponent is trying to catch you with wild power punches and you need to open up to get better vision of their movements. C) your opponent has a weaker ability to judge distance with you so you lower down with the front or both hands down from your face (ambush style i believe its called) and move your head at the first sight of movement constantly, making it nearly impossible for them to get clean straight punches off, then as the style is named, ambush them and get back out of range.

Also to add on this takes alot of reaction time and a very good ability to judge body language. If you have only just started competing do not try this as 9 times out of 10 you will get overwhelmed. It is for fighters who have had more time to not only compete but spar and get the timing down and most of all the confidence to know the guy in front of you is not going to catch you.
 
The reason people drop hands more in MMA is twofold. One they are sloppier and this is the major reason or two they are just a lot better than their opponents. In Boxing you general don't out match your opponent that much that you can afford to drop your hands unless you are really really good e.g. PBF. But in MMA you can get wide disparities in striking ability with one person being a striking specialist and the other being a ground specialist with very limited striking skills.

Notice I said drop hands not lower hands. Yes the hands are lower to defend takedowns but this isn't the same as hands around your waist.
 
As a southpaw I don't have as much urgency to keep my lead hand up high at the long distance because generally the only power he has from that side is the lead hook and maybe a front leg high kick, both of which I am aware of.

What I'm far more concerned about is the single leg and also strikes to the liver, so my lead hand often drifts a little lower so I can intercept a single-leg shot with either the underhook or frame him with the forearm while simultaniously protecting my liver (i'm a pussy for bodyshots).

It's always a balance, and obviously sometimes my guard will come up super high if i'm under fire and my footwork or headmovement couldn't bail me out in time. Bare in mind when i say i lower my lead, it's only to chest-height at lowest :) There is simply no excuse drop it further unless you're trying to bait a guy in and counter him.
 
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