Feminism, Sexism, and Entitlement

[Josh]

The whole premise is sexist. Women don't get enough this and that... Ugh.. in Australia we have a female prime minister. The woman is the boss of the household. The woman says where you will eat and what you will eat. The guy is expected to pay. A woman calls a guy sexy in public, it is a turn on. A guy calls a woman sexy in public, sexual assault.

Now I'm fine with most of these barring the random pass in public which I think is dirty, however there is not one thing in Australia that women don't get that men do and we still have these annoying women in the streets protesting for their sex.

It's annoying and insulting to men that respect both sexes equally. It's as insulting as islamic women wearing a burka because they're so sexy that every western man will just want to rape them if they didn't.

Good luck to a guy proving that he didn't rape a girl if she claims he did. There was a case on the news just a few weeks ago where this exact thing happened. The girl ruined the guys life and then in the end it turned out to be a lie. Ugh.

Uh, I guess you don't understand the original and true definition of feminism. Look it up. Tell me how it's sexist.

 

[Deadred2]

I am not arguing against your other points, but to think the military looked at the idea of the draft and said "we can't make women sign up, they are too important to society" is ridiculous.

I'm not advocating that as the military's primary logic either, it's really just another factor. However, the military does tend to follow tradition, and traditionally men have been the first to serve and die in wars. If anything I'd think the logic behind a government choosing to sacrifice men over women is that having more women is necessary to more easily repopulate the society. Obviously a man is necessary (unless you wanna bring invitro-fertilization into this) for reproduction, but a population can be more easily grown by keeping more women in the country rather than having more men in that country.

 

[Memory**]

Women are in combat now. Women are deployed now.

Dolt.

Cause they choose to. You don't seem to get that notion of being forced to go somewhere to kill or die.

 

[tkotom]

No comma necessary. You just don't understand what I am saying.


True feminists are not sexist. We already discussed this.
There you go.

Well then I disagree. You can't brand yourself a feminist in every environment. There comes a time when that's it. It's done.

 

[KrazyKanadian]

If anything, in my country, women get more rights than men. I spend near or around 100 pesos on first dates, which I'm fine with. I guess I'm sexist for paying. Why doesn't the girl ever insist on paying? Curious.

I very rarely have paid for a date, especially a first one. I think more females have bought me drinks than I've bought for them.

 

[Josh]

Alright then- what do you think of Ronda Rousey?

My opinion would be uninformed, but perhaps similar might be the effort of women ski jumpers to compete at the last Winter Games. They were denied because there simply weren't enough women competing in that event at an international level. As I said, I'm uninformed, but I think the inclusion of women in the UFC should be based purely on the depth of talent available to ensure good and fair competition. If that pool exists, let's see them fight.

 

[tkotom]

Uh, I guess you don't understand the original and true definition of feminism. Look it up. Tell me how it's sexist.

I don't care about any original and true definitions. I care about the here and now. What the word has become, here and now.

And I don't like it. It is derogatory and degrading in such an advanced society that we have political segregation based on gender. How ridiculous. And please don't go on about true feminism.

 

[SowingSeason]

Cause they choose to. You don't seem to get that notion of being forced to go somewhere to kill or die.

Who is forced to go anywhere to kill or die anymore?!

No one. The draft was discontinued in 1973.

I understand more about going to some random place to fucking shoot at people and be shot at better than you do.

 

[tkotom]

I very rarely have paid for a date, especially a first one. I think more females have bought me drinks than I've bought for them.

You must teach me your ways lol

 

[Memory**]

Having a man fight in a combat situation doesn't make him disposable. It makes him a valuable asset.

Just the same as women. Women are in the military, in case some people didn't get the memo. Are those women disposable, while the rest are valued higher?

I don't know. Your logic doesn't sit right with me.

This is something a stupid woman would say. That's like saying a woman should be flattered to be raped because at least a man finds her attractive. I don't know anyone could spin being Putin a position to die could be spun any other way.

 

[BownArrow]

My opinion would be uninformed, but perhaps similar might be the effort of women ski jumpers to compete at the last Winter Games. They were denied because there simply weren't enough women competing in that event at an international level. As I said, I'm uninformed, but I think the inclusion of women in the UFC should be based purely on the depth of talent available to ensure good and fair competition. If that pool exists, let's see them fight.

Same with the heavyweights- one person cleans up, the rest fight like normal people. Lots of talent, but not as talented as Rousey yet. I don't know- most people are pretty supportive but not really interested. But I was kind of kidding because it's hard to have an opinion on Rousey without seeming like a sexist to someone.

 

[Memory**]

Who is forced to go anywhere to kill or die anymore?!

No one. The draft was discontinued in 1973.

I understand more about going to some random place to fucking shoot at people and be shot at better than you do.

we still have to enlist. It could easily be brought back. That's like you telling blacks to get over slavery,.

Haha care to enlighten me how? Mouthy women don't survive to we'll outside the suburbs

 

[BEER]

This is something a stupid woman would say. That's like saying a woman should be flattered to be raped because at least a man finds her attractive. I don't know anyone could spin being Putin a position to die could be spun any other way.

You're an idiot. Are you really trying to tie my ideas of military service to rape-sympathy?

 

[panamaican]

Inconsistencies are bound to happen in any group, because personal beliefs and ideals come into play. Not every feminist feels exactly the same as the next.

Would I punch a man who was attacking a woman? Absolutely.

Should every man be expected to do the same? Absolutely not.

Inconsistencies will always exist but those are inconsistencies at core tenets of the argument.

It's what lends credence to the arguments of many men about reverse sexism. Because you have a plethora of women (I can't claim a majority) who want to operate under the traditional view, then you have vocal contingent (again, can't claim a majority) insisting that those women shouldn't and/or don't actually want the traditional treatment.

So you find one group selling men an idea of equality that the other group simply doesn't agree with. Thus men who buy into the first group's message end up feeling screwed by the second group's actions.

It reinforces the idea that modern feminists are no longer advancing women's desires, as a group, but the specific desires of one female cohort. And no one knows which group is the majority.

 

[Josh]

I don't care about any original and true definitions. I care about the here and now. What the word has become, here and now.

And I don't like it. It is derogatory and degrading in such an advanced society that we have political segregation based on gender. How ridiculous. And please don't go on about true feminism.

This attitude right here perpetuates that which you deride.

 

[Memory**]

You're idiot. Are you really trying to tie my ideas of military service to rape-sympathy?

Being sent to die in unjust wars is not an honor. They serve a purpose. You can spin it either way but being sent to die is being sent to die.

 

[SowingSeason]

we still have to enlist. It could easily be brought back. That's like you telling blacks to get over slavery,.

Haha care to enlighten me how? Mouthy women don't survive to we'll outside the suburbs

No. You don't have to ENLIST for shit. You have to register for the draft which if you asked 90% of political and military experts will never be activated and if it was would be challenged and suspended in the process.

LOL. Mouthy women don't survive too well out of the suburbs? Well neither do men who run off at the mouth about things they have no understanding about.

I've been to the desert. What the fuck have you done?

 

[Deadred2]

Having a man fight in a combat situation doesn't make him disposable. It makes him a valuable asset.

Just the same as women. Women are in the military, in case some people didn't get the memo. Are those women disposable, while the rest are valued higher?

I don't know. Your logic doesn't sit right with me.

I believe the logic is that it's easier to repopulate a society by keeping the number of women in a society higher than the number of men. Obviously men are required for reproductive purposes too, but men can more easily inseminate more than one woman while it's sometimes difficult for a woman to willingly choose to have more than one baby every nine months. It is possible that we're both equally valued, just men are more valued dead I suppose. I'm not trying to argue that women don't belong in the military, I'm quite content with women being a part of the military, but personally believe that men and women alike should move away from military related careers. I personally believe the military's becoming a more outdated institution than what it's worth, besides for self-defensive purposes.

Edit: Remember, men are required to join the draft, women are not. Perhaps I missed something logical since I'm very tired, but doesn't that mean that our society is more willing to send men to die than women?

 

[Memory**]

No. You don't have to ENLIST for shit. You have to register for the draft which if you asked 90% of political and military experts will never be activated and if it was would be challenged and suspended in the process.

LOL. Mouthy women don't survive too well out of the suberbs? Well neither do men who run off at the mouth about things they have no understanding about.

I've been to the desert. What the fuck have you done?

Haha yeah they do if they bad. And you don't understand the meaning of principle. I'm sure 90 % of military experts didn't predict 9 11 either. And the ghetto IS a war zone. Cept they don't pay you to be there.

 

[ocean size]

Inconsistencies will always exist but those are inconsistencies at core tenets of the argument.

It's what lends credence to the arguments of many men about reverse sexism. Because you have a plethora of women (I can't claim a majority) who want to operate under the traditional view, then you have vocal contingent (again, can't claim a majority) insisting that those women shouldn't and/or don't actually want the traditional treatment.

So you find one group selling men an idea of equality that the other group simply doesn't agree with. Thus men who buy into the first group's message end up feeling screwed by the second group's actions.

It reinforces the idea that modern feminists are no longer advancing women's desires, as a group, but the specific desires of one female cohort. And no one knows which group is the majority.

Great posts. If they would just focus on allowing the women the opportunity to assume a non-traditional role whenever, that would be cool with me. But saying some of these norms and expectations should just disappear whether or not the people affected like them, yeah thats kind of nutty.