Fedor Was Only 33yrs old When He lost to Werdum

[Fioretti]

Lol I'm not the one that cares about Gary Goodridge being ranked or not. It means absolutely nothing to me. You asked and were provided rankings with him in the top 10 and you have chosen to not find your own rankings with him not in it to back up your claims.

Nothing about 2001, 2002, or 2004 is relevant to this discussion due to you saying Goodridge was not in the top 10 on August 10th, 2003.

I see you smartly chose to not answer my question. It would've went against this 3 day opinion tirade that you think is factual and would've made you look even dumber than you already do.

Fight Matrix tells you in their disclaimer that their generated rankings won't match previously published issues of rankings. That's why they don't count. Keep avoiding the question and pretending there's no relevance, when the relevance is literally spelled out for you.

He wasn't ranked in 2001 or mid 2002. He didn't fight from mid 2002 to mid 2003. He wasn't ranked in 2004. How, why, when, and where was he ranked? 6-7 months after he fought Lloyd van Dams? Is that what you're really trying to suggest?

 

[Mamou]

Fight Matrix tells you in their disclaimer that their generated rankings won't match previously published issues of rankings. That's why they don't count. Keep avoiding the question and pretending there's no relevance, when the relevance is literally spelled out for you.

He wasn't ranked in 2001 or mid 2002. He didn't fight from mid 2002 to mid 2003. He wasn't ranked in 2004. How, why, when, and where was he ranked? 6-7 months after he fought Lloyd van Dams? Is that what you're really trying to suggest?

Provide "accurate" rankings for the year in question then... it's seriously that simple and has been asked of you for 2-3 days now.

 

[Fioretti]

Provide "accurate" rankings for the year in question then... it's seriously that simple and has been asked of you for 2-3 days now.

"Last word".

He wasn't ranked in 2001 or mid 2002. He didn't fight from mid 2002 to mid 2003. He wasn't ranked in 2004. How, why, when, and where was he ranked? 6-7 months after he fought Lloyd van Dams? Is that what you're really trying to suggest?

 

[Mamou]

"Last word".

He wasn't ranked in 2001 or mid 2002. He didn't fight from mid 2002 to mid 2003. He wasn't ranked in 2004. How, why, when, and where was he ranked? 6-7 months after he fought Lloyd van Dams? Is that what you're really trying to suggest?

Provide your rankings for 2003, it's as simple as that.

 

[Fioretti]

Provide your rankings for 2003, it's as simple as that.

Patty cake.

He wasn't ranked in 2001 or mid 2002. He didn't fight from mid 2002 to mid 2003. He wasn't ranked in 2004. How, why, when, and where was he ranked? 6-7 months after he fought Lloyd van Dams? Is that what you're really trying to suggest?

 

[Fioretti]

@Mamou

Oh, sweet boy, I think you might slit your wrists! I found some archived rankings that you're going to be upset about.

Source: History of odds and rankings 2001-2004 - Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums (archive.fo)

Second half of 2003:

Heavyweight:
1) Fedor Emelianenko (16-1-0)
2) Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (21-2-1)
3) Josh Barnett (14-1-0)
4) Mirko Filipovic (9-1-2)
5) Tim Sylvia (16-0-0)
6) Andrei Arlovski (6-3-0)
7) Heath Herring (23-9-0)
8) Mark Coleman (13-5-0)
9) Wesley Correira (13-5-0)
10) Travis Wiuff (29-4-0)

Ibragim Magomedov (8-1-0)
Frank Mir (7-1-0)
Ricco Rodriguez (14-4-0)
Bazigit Atajev (14-1-0)

I would personally put Ricco at #7-9, but Gary (omg) is again not on the list, nor is he in the 4 mentions. These archived rankings match up with the MMAWeekly archives that I posted earlier for 2001, 2002, and 2004, and he also has the fight odds, so it seems pretty reliable to me. On top of that, if you look at the OP, the entire reason he put these together in one thread is because he was sick of people "revising history" to say Fedor fought cans. So weird, isn't it?

Now, admit that you were wrong like a big boy.

 

[gono btw]

@Mamou

Oh, sweet boy, I think you might slit your wrists! I found some archived rankings that you're going to be upset about.

Source: History of odds and rankings 2001-2004 - Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums (archive.fo)

Second half of 2003:

Heavyweight:
1) Fedor Emelianenko (16-1-0)
2) Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (21-2-1)
3) Josh Barnett (14-1-0)
4) Mirko Filipovic (9-1-2)
5) Tim Sylvia (16-0-0)
6) Andrei Arlovski (6-3-0)
7) Heath Herring (23-9-0)
8) Mark Coleman (13-5-0)
9) Wesley Correira (13-5-0)
10) Travis Wiuff (29-4-0)

Ibragim Magomedov (8-1-0)
Frank Mir (7-1-0)
Ricco Rodriguez (14-4-0)
Bazigit Atajev (14-1-0)

I would personally put Ricco at #7-9, but Gary (omg) is again not on the list, nor is he in the 4 mentions. These archived rankings match up with the MMAWeekly archives that I posted earlier for 2001, 2002, and 2004, and he also has the fight odds, so it seems pretty reliable to me. On top of that, if you look at the OP, the entire reason he put these together in one thread is because he was sick of people "revising history" to say Fedor fought cans. So weird, isn't it?

Now, admit that you were wrong like a big boy.

Jus´curious... Why are you conveniently omittin´ Valentijn´s one in those shits...?

 

[Mamou]

@Mamou

Oh, sweet boy, I think you might slit your wrists! I found some archived rankings that you're going to be upset about.

Source: History of odds and rankings 2001-2004 - Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums (archive.fo)

Second half of 2003:

Heavyweight:
1) Fedor Emelianenko (16-1-0)
2) Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (21-2-1)
3) Josh Barnett (14-1-0)
4) Mirko Filipovic (9-1-2)
5) Tim Sylvia (16-0-0)
6) Andrei Arlovski (6-3-0)
7) Heath Herring (23-9-0)
8) Mark Coleman (13-5-0)
9) Wesley Correira (13-5-0)
10) Travis Wiuff (29-4-0)

Ibragim Magomedov (8-1-0)
Frank Mir (7-1-0)
Ricco Rodriguez (14-4-0)
Bazigit Atajev (14-1-0)

I would personally put Ricco at #7-9, but Gary (omg) is again not on the list, nor is he in the 4 mentions. These archived rankings match up with the MMAWeekly archives that I posted earlier for 2001, 2002, and 2004, and he also has the fight odds, so it seems pretty reliable to me. On top of that, if you look at the OP, the entire reason he put these together in one thread is because he was sick of people "revising history" to say Fedor fought cans. So weird, isn't it?

Now, admit that you were wrong like a big boy.

Now was that so hard? I mean it only took you 3 days of looking like a moron and complete asshole to find it, but hey, you finally posted your source.

I find it ironic that you posted your source from a guy who compiled those rankings for people just like yourself.

And again, I don't, nor did I ever care about Gary Goodridge being ranked. I've been asking you to post this for 3 days. Now you can go away.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

@Mamou

Oh, sweet boy, I think you might slit your wrists! I found some archived rankings that you're going to be upset about.

Source: History of odds and rankings 2001-2004 - Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums (archive.fo)

Second half of 2003:

Heavyweight:
1) Fedor Emelianenko (16-1-0)
2) Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (21-2-1)
3) Josh Barnett (14-1-0)
4) Mirko Filipovic (9-1-2)
5) Tim Sylvia (16-0-0)
6) Andrei Arlovski (6-3-0)
7) Heath Herring (23-9-0)
8) Mark Coleman (13-5-0)
9) Wesley Correira (13-5-0)
10) Travis Wiuff (29-4-0)

Ibragim Magomedov (8-1-0)
Frank Mir (7-1-0)
Ricco Rodriguez (14-4-0)
Bazigit Atajev (14-1-0)

I would personally put Ricco at #7-9, but Gary (omg) is again not on the list, nor is he in the 4 mentions. These archived rankings match up with the MMAWeekly archives that I posted earlier for 2001, 2002, and 2004, and he also has the fight odds, so it seems pretty reliable to me. On top of that, if you look at the OP, the entire reason he put these together in one thread is because he was sick of people "revising history" to say Fedor fought cans. So weird, isn't it?

Now, admit that you were wrong like a big boy.

 

[gono btw]

Now was that so hard? I mean it only took you 3 days of looking like a moron and complete asshole to find it, but hey, you finally posted your source.

I find it ironic that you posted your source from a guy who compiled those rankings for people just like yourself.

And again, I don't, nor did I ever care about Gary Goodridge being ranked. I've been asking you to post this for 3 days. Now you can go away.

ah... Poor McDego airballed again, Im afraid...

That rankin´he dropped was barely accurate...

Source: History of odds and rankings 2001-2004 - Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums (archive.fo)

Second half of 2003:

Heavyweight:
1) Fedor Emelianenko (16-1-0)
2) Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (21-2-1)
3) Josh Barnett (14-1-0)
4) Mirko Filipovic (9-1-2)
5) Tim Sylvia (16-0-0)
6) Andrei Arlovski (6-3-0)
7) Heath Herring (23-9-0)
8) Mark Coleman (13-5-0)
9) Wesley Correira (13-5-0)
10) Travis Wiuff (29-4-0)

Ibragim Magomedov (8-1-0)
Frank Mir (7-1-0)
Ricco Rodriguez (14-4-0)
Bazigit Atajev (14-1-0)

This is the real accurate one:

October 2003:

Heavyweight:
1. Fedor Emelianenko (16-1-0)
2. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
3. Josh Barnett
4. Mirko Filipovic
5. Tim Sylvia
6. Andrei Arlovski
7. Heath Herring
8. Mark Coleman
9. Wesley Correira
10. Travis Wiuff

Spoiler

Light Heavyweight:
1. Wanderlei Silva
2. Randy Couture
3. Quinton Jackson
4. Chuck Liddell
5. Vitor Belfort
6. Tito Ortiz
7. Renato Sobral
8. Yuki Kondo
9. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
10. Alistair Overeem

Middleweight:
1. Dan Henderson
2. Murilo Bustamante
3. Jeremy Horn
4. Matt Lindland
5. Ricardo Almeida
6. Nathan Marquardt
7. Anderson Silva
8. Kazushi Sakuraba
9. Evan Tanner
10. Paulo Filho

Welterweight:
1. BJ Penn
2. Matt Hughes
3. Sean Sherk
4. Jason Black
5. Frank Trigg
6. Renato Verissimo
7. Jake Shields
8. Hayato Sakurai
9. Carlos Newton
10. Nick Diaz

Lightweight:
1. BJ Penn
2. Vitor Ribeiro
3. Takanori Gomi
4. Marcus Aurelio
5. Duane Ludwig
6. Josh Thomson
7. Yves Edwards
8. Din Thomas
9. Hermes Franca
10. Joachim Hansen

Featherweight:
1. Alexandre Franca Nogueira
2. Jens Pulver
3. Norifumi Yamamoto
4. Joao Roque
5. Jeff Curran
6. Stephen Paling
7. Remigijus Morkevicius
8. Yoshiro Maeda
9. Naoya Uematsu
10. Ivan Menjivar

The Fedor fight was in August...

 

[Fioretti]

Now was that so hard? I mean it only took you 3 days of looking like a moron and complete asshole to find it, but hey, you finally posted your source.

I find it ironic that you posted your source from a guy who compiled those rankings for people just like yourself.

And again, I don't, nor did I ever care about Gary Goodridge being ranked. I've been asking you to post this for 3 days. Now you can go away.

Pretending you don't care is an admission of guilt, but you're not man enough to actually say it. Surprise!

I showed you all of the surrounding rankings, from a different source, and was able to intelligently and logically conclude that Goodridge wasn't ranked. I also provided a pretty in depth explanation of how and why he wasn't. Stop pretending. Say you were wrong and move on to another thread to patty cake in, nerd.

 

[Fioretti]

ah... Poor McDego airballed again, Im afraid...

That rankin´he dropped was barely accurate...




This is the real accurate one:

October 2003:

Heavyweight:
1. Fedor Emelianenko (16-1-0)
2. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
3. Josh Barnett
4. Mirko Filipovic
5. Tim Sylvia
6. Andrei Arlovski
7. Heath Herring
8. Mark Coleman
9. Wesley Correira
10. Travis Wiuff

Spoiler

Light Heavyweight:
1. Wanderlei Silva
2. Randy Couture
3. Quinton Jackson
4. Chuck Liddell
5. Vitor Belfort
6. Tito Ortiz
7. Renato Sobral
8. Yuki Kondo
9. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
10. Alistair Overeem

Middleweight:
1. Dan Henderson
2. Murilo Bustamante
3. Jeremy Horn
4. Matt Lindland
5. Ricardo Almeida
6. Nathan Marquardt
7. Anderson Silva
8. Kazushi Sakuraba
9. Evan Tanner
10. Paulo Filho

Welterweight:
1. BJ Penn
2. Matt Hughes
3. Sean Sherk
4. Jason Black
5. Frank Trigg
6. Renato Verissimo
7. Jake Shields
8. Hayato Sakurai
9. Carlos Newton
10. Nick Diaz

Lightweight:
1. BJ Penn
2. Vitor Ribeiro
3. Takanori Gomi
4. Marcus Aurelio
5. Duane Ludwig
6. Josh Thomson
7. Yves Edwards
8. Din Thomas
9. Hermes Franca
10. Joachim Hansen

Featherweight:
1. Alexandre Franca Nogueira
2. Jens Pulver
3. Norifumi Yamamoto
4. Joao Roque
5. Jeff Curran
6. Stephen Paling
7. Remigijus Morkevicius
8. Yoshiro Maeda
9. Naoya Uematsu
10. Ivan Menjivar

The Fedor fight was in August...

Those are the exact rankings I posted. Are you suggesting that Gary Goodridge somehow got ranked between August 28th 2002 and August 10th 2003, 6-7 months after a win over 0-0 Lloyd van Dams, while being inactive?

Come on, Brono.

 

[Mamou]

Pretending you don't care is an admission of guilt, but you're not man enough to actually say it. Surprise!

I showed you all of the surrounding rankings, from a different source, and was able to intelligently and logically conclude that Goodridge wasn't ranked. I also provided a pretty in depth explanation of how and why he wasn't. Stop pretending. Say you were wrong and move on to another thread to patty cake in, nerd.

I mean you didn't post the rankings from before the fight, but at least you found some from 2003. That's a step in the right direction.

And I really don't care about things that have no bearing on my everyday life, especially Gary Goodridge's MMA ranking and record from 2003. I guess that's my "admission of guilt" lol

 

[Deleted member 498977]

Any MMA fighter can get 1000-0 beating up sick people who have 50+ and 100+ pounds on them.

Yes, you actually can call middleweights 'middleweights' if they spent the majority of their career at MW, have to gain weight to fight at HW and generally lack frame to do it.

Fedor fought 0-1 Nagata right after winning the PRIDE belt. I.e. the HW MMA Champ, arguably the baddest man on the planet, fought some bum who wasn't even a fighter. That fact alone say it all about fedor's 'legendary' career.

Exaggerating much?
Have you trained a day om your life, competed?

Show me someone who went over 30-0, like Fedor did.

And looks like you don't know how Pride worked.
They liked to put Japanese fighters to test and when you are champ, you had
to fight all they make you. Top contenders and freak shows sometimes, cause that brought japanese audience.

 

[gono btw]

Those are the exact rankings I posted. Are you suggesting that Gary Goodridge somehow got ranked between August 28th 2002 and August 10th 2003, 6-7 months after a win over 0-0 Lloyd van Dams, while being inactive?

Come on, Brono.

hmmm... What I´ve been suggestin´ durin´ this whole thread: you jus´dont know what you´re talkin´bout, & Gono proved it several times ITT.

The rankin´ you posted was post-Fedor fight, not Pre-, ya fool...



Final nail in the coffin (was waitin´for ya to take the bait, but you strangely disappeared...):

That one simple fact that neither he nor Val Overeem were ranked top 10 in 2001 immediately and definitively debunks your entire basis of "proof", right from the start.
.

As expected, poor Fioretti doesnt understand the Rings era & how Valentijn was perceived at the time...

May 2001

Heavyweight
1. Mark Coleman
2. Randy Couture
3. Pedro Rizzo
4. Igor Vovchanchin
5. Kazuyuki Fujita
6. Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira
7. Heath Herring
8. Valentijn Overeem
9. Mark Kerr
10. Tra Telligman

Spoiler

Light Heavyweight
1. Tito Ortiz
2. Wanderlei Silva
3. Dan Henderson
4. Chuck Liddell
4. Vitor Belfort
6. Guy Mezger
7. Elvis Sinosic
8. Allan Goes
9. Jeremy Horn
10. Kevin Randleman

Middleweight
1. Kazushi Sakuraba
2. Dave Menne
3. Frank Shamrock
4. Jose "Pele" Landi-Jons
5. Matt Lindland
6. Renzo Gracie
7. Sanae Kikuta
8. Paulo Filho
9. Ricardo Liborio
10. Joe Doerkson
10. Ikuhisa Minowa

Welterweight
1. Hayato Sakurai
2. Carlos Newton
3. Pat Miletich
4. Frank Trigg
5. Matt Hughes
6. Fabiano Iha
7. Shonie Carter
8. Anderson Silva
9. Tetsuji Kato
10. Nathan Marquardt

Lightweight
1. Jens Pulver
2. Caol Uno
3. Din Thomas
4. Rumina Sato
5. Alexandre Nogueira
6. Takanori Gomi
7. Dennis Hallman
8. Dokonjonosuke Mishima
9. Ryan Bow
10. Naoya Uematsu

 

[Fioretti]

I mean you didn't post the rankings from before the fight, but at least you found some from 2003. That's a step in the right direction.

And I really don't care about things that have no bearing on my everyday life, especially Gary Goodridge's MMA ranking and record from 2003. I guess that's my "admission of guilt" lol

You were wrong. Just be a man and say it. You were wrong about the legitimacy of Fight Matrix generated rankings, proven by their disclaimer and actual rankings, and you were wrong that Gary Goodridge was ranked top 10 in 2003. Say it, nerd. Be a man.

Pretending "you don't care" is just that - pretending. You didn't care so much that you tried to fight tooth and nail, with flawed logic, the obvious answer that was put in front of you and explained thoroughly. You cared quite a bit to play patty cake for 2-3 days. Don't lie, girl. Be a man and admit you were wrong.

 

[Fioretti]

hmmm... What I´ve been suggestin´ durin´ this whole thread: you jus´dont know what you´re talkin´bout, & Gono proved it several times ITT.

The rankin´ you posted was post-Fedor fight, not Pre-, ya fool...

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Final nail in the coffin (was waitin´for ya to take the bait, but you strangely disappeared...):





May 2001

Heavyweight
1. Mark Coleman
2. Randy Couture
3. Pedro Rizzo
4. Igor Vovchanchin
5. Kazuyuki Fujita
6. Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira
7. Heath Herring
8. Valentijn Overeem
9. Mark Kerr
10. Tra Telligman

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July 17, 2001

HEAVYWEIGHT 205 lbs. and up (93 kg and up)
1. Coleman, Mark 156
2. Couture, Randy 135
3. Vovchanchin, Igor 114
4. Rizzo, Pedro 111
5. Fujita, Kazuyuki 91
6. Nogueira, Rodrigo "Minotauro" 81
7. Herring, Heath 55
8. Kerr, Mark 40
9. Barnett, Josh 36
10. Telligman, Tra 30

Where's Gary or Val?

November 19, 2001

HEAVYWEIGHT over 205 lbs. and up (93.19 kg and up)
1. Rodrigo Nogueira 147
2. Randy Couture 138
3. Heath Herring 102
4. Mark Coleman 101
5. Josh Barnett 87
6. Pedro Rizzo 82
7. Igor Vovchanchyn 61
8. Kazuyuki Fujita 29
9. Mario Sperry 25
10. Ricco Rodriguez 12

Where's Gary or Val?

 

[Mamou]

You were wrong. Just be a man and say it. You were wrong about the legitimacy of Fight Matrix generated rankings, proven by their disclaimer and actual rankings, and you were wrong that Gary Goodridge was ranked top 10 in 2003. Say it, nerd. Be a man.

Pretending "you don't care" is just that - pretending. You didn't care so much that you tried to fight tooth and nail, with flawed logic, the obvious answer that was put in front of you and explained thoroughly. You cared quite a bit to play patty cake for 2-3 days. Don't lie, girl. Be a man and admit you were wrong.

In October 2003, Goodridge was not in the rankings due to Fedor smoking him. That doesn't mean he wasn't before they fought. Something you have yet to prove.

And I think the funniest thing about your most recent "victory lap" is that you went on and on about how "you can't be top 10 without beating someone in the top 10" and the "who did he beat to be top 10", and then you come out and post your "factual" rankings with Cabbage and Wiuff at #9 and #10...

 

[gono btw]

July 17, 2001

HEAVYWEIGHT 205 lbs. and up (93 kg and up)
1. Coleman, Mark 156
2. Couture, Randy 135
3. Vovchanchin, Igor 114
4. Rizzo, Pedro 111
5. Fujita, Kazuyuki 91
6. Nogueira, Rodrigo "Minotauro" 81
7. Herring, Heath 55
8. Kerr, Mark 40
9. Barnett, Josh 36
10. Telligman, Tra 30

Where's Gary or Val?

November 19, 2001

HEAVYWEIGHT over 205 lbs. and up (93.19 kg and up)
1. Rodrigo Nogueira 147
2. Randy Couture 138
3. Heath Herring 102
4. Mark Coleman 101
5. Josh Barnett 87
6. Pedro Rizzo 82
7. Igor Vovchanchyn 61
8. Kazuyuki Fujita 29
9. Mario Sperry 25
10. Ricco Rodriguez 12

Where's Gary or Val?

Poor McDego´s indeed intellectually limited, m´f´kah cant read his own shit...

That one simple fact that neither he nor Val Overeem were ranked top 10 in 2001 immediately and definitively debunks your entire basis of "proof", right from the start..

May 2001

Heavyweight
1. Mark Coleman
2. Randy Couture
3. Pedro Rizzo
4. Igor Vovchanchin
5. Kazuyuki Fujita
6. Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira
7. Heath Herring
8. Valentijn Overeem
9. Mark Kerr
10. Tra Telligman


Goof jumps from Sherdog´s rankings to Mixed Martial Arts Media´s...

 

[Fioretti]

Poor McDego´s indeed intellectually limited, m´f´kah cant read his own shit...



May 2001

Heavyweight
1. Mark Coleman
2. Randy Couture
3. Pedro Rizzo
4. Igor Vovchanchin
5. Kazuyuki Fujita
6. Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira
7. Heath Herring
8. Valentijn Overeem
9. Mark Kerr
10. Tra Telligman

So, I was wrong in saying that Val was never ranked in 2001. He held a rank (very briefly) for 2-3 months in 2001 after beating Randy, but Gary did not make the top 10 for beating him, as proven by the July 2001 and November 2001 rankings:


July 17, 2001

HEAVYWEIGHT 205 lbs. and up (93 kg and up)
1. Coleman, Mark 156
2. Couture, Randy 135
3. Vovchanchin, Igor 114
4. Rizzo, Pedro 111
5. Fujita, Kazuyuki 91
6. Nogueira, Rodrigo "Minotauro" 81
7. Herring, Heath 55
8. Kerr, Mark 40
9. Barnett, Josh 36
10. Telligman, Tra 30

July 17th is 12 days before Goodridge fought and lost to Nog. He beat Val on May 27th 2001, so if he was EVER ranked in the top 10, he would be in the July 17th 2001 rankings because his fight with Nog was on July 29th. He's not, and he wasn't. Further proven by the November 2001 rankings:

November 19, 2001

HEAVYWEIGHT over 205 lbs. and up (93.19 kg and up)
1. Rodrigo Nogueira 147
2. Randy Couture 138
3. Heath Herring 102
4. Mark Coleman 101
5. Josh Barnett 87
6. Pedro Rizzo 82
7. Igor Vovchanchyn 61
8. Kazuyuki Fujita 29
9. Mario Sperry 25
10. Ricco Rodriguez 12