Fedor Throwback

[GOAT.]

It's weird that you didn't address or even try to refute anything that was said. Even more weird that you're asking for pics, especially without leading the way with your own. Come on, chubby bunny, let's see them tiddies!

What's there to address? You clowns have an agenda. Its clear that your narrative is that "40 year old MW 183lb Hendo easily KOd the overrated, in prime 250lb Fedor which means Fedor was never good." You clowns are intellectually dishonest and your flawed narratives lack context and nuance.

Anyone who actually understands the sport knows that Hendo is one of the hardest hitters ever and had his best career wins as a LHW and was juiced up when he beat Fedor and the truth is he would have nothing for a 2005 Fedor.

 

[Fioretti]

What's there to even argue? Its clear that the narrative in this thread from Fedor hating clowns is is that "40 year old MW 18lb Hendo easily KOd the overrated prime 250lb Fedor so it means Fedor was never good." You clowns are intellectually dishonest and your flawed narratives lack context and nuance.

Anyone who actually understands the sport knows that Hendo is one of the hardest hitters ever and had his best career wins as a LHW and was juiced up when he beat Fedor and the truth is he would have nothing for a 2005 Fedor.

Wait....so you're saying that 207 lbs isn't "MW cage weight"? That's a lie? That's a false narrative? 18lbs? 250lbs?

What about them tiddies tho?

 

[modulus]

LEGEND.

 

[icemun]

I'm saying that's post prime Fedor.

You don't think the Fedor who ruled the heavyweight division would have stood a chance against Rich Franklin and Nate Quarry?

He would have lost his speed advantage and not fighting guys like hiroya takada, levon lagilav and martin lazarov
Henderson demonstrated this and he was 40 years old


Fedor was fighting in the ideal weight class for his skills/athleticism and build.

 

[estranged]

I think Cain beats him

 

[JKS]

I'm sure you understand exactly what he's saying. Most MWs will be 200+ in the cage when they fight. Most LHWs will be 220+. What he's saying makes sense, the lot of you are just being difficult and using strawman arguments to try and invalidate what he's saying. If it was Fedor who weighed in at 207 against a fighter that was 225+, your entire premise would be the point he is trying to make. You would all praise him for being a natural MW fighting in the HW division, which a lot of people already do. Come on now, broheem.

I know what he's saying. But what he's doing is clearly to diminish and criticize Fedor and in a bias way, clearly there is a agenda here. The thread is about Fedor HL and when someone praises Fedor for fighting bigger guys, Icemun immediately talks about Dan being a MW.

Most MWs are 200 lbs + fight night, some are not. But he's making it out to be a like it's a rule or something and making it to be like it's a MW vs a HW. If were even gonna go by that, well then it's like a MW vs a LHW. There is just too much open to interpretation here.....I could just call Dan a small LHW being 207 as opposed to a MW. This fight was suppose to be at 220 lbs, when Dan said he's coming in at 206 or so, Fedor said he would drop 10 pounds to make it more even. So you had 16 pounds difference fight night. There are fights within the same weight class that have that much of a weight difference. Yes, Fedor was bigger but lets not make this out to be a MW vs HW.

 

[laz0001]

People say he fought cans, and fighter X would beat him - but he cleared out everyone there was to face apart from Randy (who i'm certain he would have beaten) - once you've done that, who else is there to fight except cans? The game had passed him up by the time Wedum came along.

Very few other fighters stay undefeated for 10 years, let alone at heavyweight.

The game always progresses, of course modern athletes would beat him - but against his peers - he's peerless - and STILL - no other heavyweight has close to his run or record.

Who else has beaten: Multiple UFC heavyweight champs. Multiple Olympic medallists. ADCC champs. K1 champs. Opponents who outweighed them by 100+ lbs / 1ft+? 26 fights (arguably 31) in a row undefeated? Still winning - 19 years after their debut?

Notable wins:
- Arona - 3 time ADCC champ
- Shilt - 3 times K1 champion - 11 inches taller
- Coleman - UFC champ
- Randleman - UFC champ / NCAA
- Ogawa - Olympic champ
- Crocop - K1 champ
- Choi - 1ft+, 100lbs+ weight advantage
- Hunt - K1 champ
- Sylvia - UFC champ
- Arlovski - UFC champ
- Hendo - Olympian and UFC champ
- Ishii - Olympic champ
- Rizzo - UFC Champ
- Mir - UFC Champ
- Rampage - UFC Champ

Just re-read that a few times ... the guy is historical GOAT

 

[Fioretti]

I know what he's saying. But what he's doing is clearly to diminish and criticize Fedor and in a bias way, clearly there is a agenda here. The thread is about Fedor HL and when someone praises Fedor for fighting bigger guys, Icemun immediately talks about Dan being a MW.

Most MWs are 200 lbs + fight night, some are not. But he's making it out to be a like it's a rule or something and making it to be like it's a MW vs a HW. If were even gonna go by that, well then it's like a MW vs a LHW. There is just too much open to interpretation here.....I could just call Dan a small LHW being 207 as opposed to a MW. This fight was suppose to be at 220 lbs, when Dan said he's coming in at 206 or so, Fedor said he would drop 10 pounds to make it more even. So you had 16 pounds difference fight night. There are fights within the same weight class that have that much of a weight difference. Yes, Fedor was bigger but lets not make this out to be a MW vs HW.

I was just touching on your last sentence when you said to him "your argument doesn't make sense". It does, and you know what he's saying.

I agree that MW vs LHW would've been a more accurate depiction, but nobody really considers Fedor a LHW, and then you'd be agreeing with the guy's logic you were bashing. You're both being intentionally difficult. It's Suredawg, bros, that's how it be like.

 

[Fioretti]

Notable wins:
- Arona - 3 time ADCC champ
- Shilt - 3 times K1 champion - 11 inches taller
- Coleman - UFC champ
- Randleman - UFC champ / NCAA
- Ogawa - Olympic champ
- Crocop - K1 champ
- Choi - 1ft+, 100lbs+ weight advantage
- Hunt - K1 champ
- Sylvia - UFC champ
- Arlovski - UFC champ
- Hendo - Olympian and UFC champ
- Ishii - Olympic champ
- Rizzo - UFC Champ
- Mir - UFC Champ
- Rampage - UFC Champ

Just re-read that a few times ... the guy is historical GOAT

Bro....put some context to that list and maybe you'll understand what people mean when they say he fought cans. Mir, Rizzo, Rampage, Sylvia, Arlovski, Randleman, and Coleman were all YEARS removed from being champs. Including Ogawa, Choi, and Ishii as "notable wins" is ridiculous. Might as well throw Zulu in there too, eh? You're counting Hendo (wtf) as a win, and Arona was a baby when he fought Fedor. For fuck's sake, you didn't even include Nog.

He has 10 top 10 wins over 30+ fights in a decade (Hunt was 5-2 in MMA, coming off a loss, but counts as top 10 and a title defense), and fought unranked fighters more than 70% of the time. Jesus, man. Be real.

 

[HHJ]

Bro....put some context to that list and maybe you'll understand what people mean when they say he fought cans. Mir, Rizzo, Rampage, Sylvia, Arlovski, Randleman, and Coleman were all YEARS removed from being champs. Including Ogawa, Choi, and Ishii as "notable wins" is ridiculous. Might as well throw Zulu in there too, eh? You're counting Hendo (wtf) as a win, and Arona was a baby when he fought Fedor. For fuck's sake.

He has 10 top 10 wins over 30+ fights in a decade (Hunt was 5-2 in MMA, coming off a loss, but counts as top 10 and a title defense), and fought unranked fighters more than 70% of the time. Jesus, man. Be real.

Arlovski was in the best shape of his life when he fought Fedor,and much better (and leaner) than when he was champion.

 

[Fioretti]

Arlovski was in the best shape of his life when he fought Fedor,and much better (and leaner) than when he was champion.

It was a great win and an incredibly iconic knockout. A true top 10 win, no doubt, but he was still years removed from being UFC champ.

 

[JKS]

I was just touching on your last sentence when you said to him "your argument doesn't make sense". It does, and you know what he's saying.

I agree that MW vs LHW would've been a more accurate depiction, but nobody really considers Fedor a LHW, and then you'd be agreeing with the guy's logic you were bashing. You're both being intentionally difficult. It's Suredawg, bros, that's how it be like.

It didn't make sense to me at the time because I was discussing the topic based on weight classes. To be quite honest, until you pointed out what he meant, it didn't even hit me. I am not trying to be difficult, I just didn't see the argument from that side until I opened the conversation with you. So that's why I said well then it would be like a MW vs LHW, if were basing it on actual fight time weight.

But what I am being critical of is his entire approach to the topic. It's very clear there is an agenda to bash Fedor here. Why even start a debate on something that has nothing to do with the topic with the first opportunity.

 

[HHJ]

A true top 10 win, no doubt, but he was still years removed from being UFC champ.

yeah but that statement doesnt mean anything. He was better than when he was champ. He left the UFC,he wasnt cut.

 

[Sweater of AV]

It was a great win and an incredibly iconic knockout. A true top 10 win, no doubt, but he was still years removed from being UFC champ.

Being UFC champ doesn't mean he was at his peak.

You'd have to have your head firmly shoved up your ass to think Andrei from 05-06 was better than the version that fought Fedor.

 

[HHJ]

Being UFC champ doesn't mean he was at his peak.

You'd have to have your head firmly shoved up your ass to think Andrei from 05-06 was better than the version that fought Fedor.

Freddie roach had his hands on point. I always thought he should have stuck with him,altho im sure he was very expensive.

 

[Fioretti]

yeah but that statement doesnt mean anything. He was better than when he was champ. He left the UFC,he wasnt cut.

Eh...he lost two title fights in a row and had a couple less impressive wins before he left. Starting with the Fedor KO, he went on a streak of getting KO'd, so I wouldn't necessarily say he was better than when he was champ. Also, the guy listing it should put "former UFC champion". It seems he's being intentionally misleading and favorable.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Freddie roach had his hands on point. I always thought he should have stuck with him,altho im sure he was very expensive.

He admitted to losing some motivation and couldn't stop thinking about the fight. His training likely never got back to that level again and he was just going through the motions for a while.

 

[Fioretti]

Being UFC champ doesn't mean he was at his peak.

You'd have to have your head firmly shoved up your ass to think Andrei from 05-06 was better than the version that fought Fedor.

Yeah, because him getting KO'd in round 1 3 times, and dropping a UD to Bigfoot really proved he was at his peak. He wasn't the best in the UFC for years before fighting Fedor. The implication of saying he was UFC champ is that he was the UFC's top guy at the time. He wasn't, and went on the worst streak of his career at that point in time. Come on, now.

 

[HHJ]

Eh...he lost two title fights in a row and had a couple less impressive wins before he left. Starting with the Fedor KO, he went on a streak of getting KO'd, so I wouldn't necessarily say he was better than when he was champ. Also, the guy listing it should put "former UFC champion". It seems he's being intentionally misleading and favorable.

I mean lets face it,we do get spoiled discussing some fighters like Fedor and Khabib or Anderson or whoever,guys that had very long winning streaks. Arlovski was never one of those guys,but you could see marked improvement in him as time went on. He got leaner,and quicker,and his boxing got better under freddie roach. That time at the end of the first when he had finally found his range and was effectivley countering Fedor,is something we rarely ever saw. I think only Mirko ever approached that.

and this loss started a slump for Arlovski. Having to constantly climb back to the top slowly is extremely demoralizing. I bet he is enjoying his career more now.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Yeah, because him getting KO'd in round 1 four times in a row (starting with Fedor) really proved he was at his peak. He wasn't the best in the UFC for years before fighting Fedor. The implication of saying he was UFC champ is that he was the UFC's top guy at the time. He wasn't, and went on the worst streak of his career at that point in time. Come on, now.

See above son. Andrei's own words. He was at his best when he fought Fedor.