Fedor Throwback

[JKS]

Its not an argument. Its simply facts
Dan was 205lbs the night of the fight. This is the weight that MW's step into the cage at, hell some MWs like Costa are 213lbs on fight night.
Dan was 40 years old

Both of these are facts, not argument.

Ok, hold on a second here. I've never heard of Dan being 205 fight night vs Fedor. Not disputing it yet, I know he weighed at 207 so maybe he lost two pounds. But where is the proof??

I get what you're saying, yes some MWs are around 200 to 215 lbs fight night. But it's not a fact, because you have many MWs that weigh in below 200lbs as well. It's not something you can call a fact because many fighters fluctuate in weight and not every MW will be. For example......Chris Weidman use to come in a 210 lbs, but he lost some mass and for his recent fights he actually came in less than 200 lbs. Izzy comes in between 195 to 200.

But even if Dan came in at 205 or 207, whatever. Fedor came in at 223 which would be LHW, so in actually you get a MW vs LHW by your analagy. The weight difference was 16 lbs, there are fights in the same weight class where there is that much weight difference.

 

[icemun]

Ok, hold on a second here. I've never heard of Dan being 205 fight night vs Fedor. Not disputing it yet, I know he weighed at 207 so maybe he lost two pounds. But where is the proof??

I get what you're saying, yes some MWs are around 200 to 215 lbs fight night. But it's not a fact, because you have many MWs that weigh in below 200lbs as well. It's not something you can call a fact because many fighters fluctuate in weight and not every MW will be. For example......Chris Weidman use to come in a 210 lbs, but he lost some mass and for his recent fights he actually came in less than 200 lbs. Izzy comes in between 195 to 200.

But even if Dan came in at 205 or 207, whatever. Fedor came in at 223 which would be LHW, so in actually you get a MW vs LHW by your analagy. The weight difference was 16 lbs, there are fights in the same weight class where there is that much weight difference.

I only said Dan was coming in at a MW fight weight and 40 years old, thats it.

205lbs or 207lbs is what MW's come in to fight at

 

[JKS]

I only said Dan was coming in at a MW fight weight and 40 years old, thats it.

205lbs or 207lbs is what MW's come in to fight at

Some MWs. Bigger MWs will come 205 or more, meaning they gain 20lbs +. But if you actually look at wide scale, most MWs would come in at 195 to low 200s. So what you're saying applies to some.
He weighed in 207 so likely that's his weight was or more, after weigh ins fighters don't lose weight.

 

[icemun]

Some MWs. Bigger MWs will come 205 or more, meaning they gain 20lbs +. But if you actually look at wide scale, most MWs would come in at 195 to low 200s. So what you're saying applies to some.
He weighed in 207 so likely that's his weight was or more, after weigh ins fighters don't lose weight.

Dan wasnt cutting weight so he didnt weight more, he was 40 years old.
207 is a MW fight weight fighting weight

Some MW like #1 Costa will step in the cage at 213 lbs

 

[Deleted member 498977]

He uses his relatively smaller mass as a speed advantage of large, nonathletic plodding HWs

Dan was 204lbs in this fight and 40 years old here-

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Imagine if Fedor was fighting young fast MW's he would have been destroyed.

He fought it the perfect weight class for the time.

Helax, noob, Hendo was on TRT.

Off the TRT he got wrestlefucked by a WW Jake Shields.

 

[mjfan23]

2021 and Fedor haters still struggling

 

[Ecker707]

Watching Fedor was watching history. I remember seeing Fedor shirts at Macy's. I hate to sound like a hipster but the fights in Pride and Zuffa UFC were alot more memorable compared to fights today. Maybe the nostalgia is giving me rose color glasses.

All you little teenage shertards enjoy the fights of today, but also life. Time flies by fast.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

He pulled the head down. He didn't just randomly jump straight up into the air.....and transition to power nap.

I think in that situation though it wasnt really a bad move, Fedor had been pushed back into the ropes and was bouncing forward towards Arlovski potentially straight into the flying knee.

It wasnt really a sloppy flying knee like say Struve against Browne or that one Babalu threw around the same area were the opponent could respond to it when he was in the air, Fedor only managed to counter it because he started the counter very early and indeed the counter actually lands before Arlovski even gets in the air. Had he got airborne that would have been very difficult for Fedor to do much to him counter wise, he'd have had to get his defence up.

Really as well I think Arlovski did need to be aggressive, the way that fight was going lasting 25 mins without Fedor landing a big shot on him would IMHO have been pretty questionable so he needed to be throwing his own offence not just picking away.

 

[Fioretti]

I think in that situation though it wasnt really a bad move, Fedor had been pushed back into the ropes and was bouncing forward towards Arlovski potentially straight into the flying knee.

It wasnt really a sloppy flying knee like say Struve against Browne or that one Babalu threw around the same area were the opponent could respond to it when he was in the air, Fedor only managed to counter it because he started the counter very early and indeed the counter actually lands before Arlovski even gets in the air. Had he got airborne that would have been very difficult for Fedor to do much to him counter wise, he'd have had to get his defence up.

Really as well I think Arlovski did need to be aggressive, the way that fight was going lasting 25 mins without Fedor landing a big shot on him would IMHO have been pretty questionable so he needed to be throwing his own offence not just picking away.

Eh....there's a million other things he could've done that wouldn't have resulted in instanap. Dumb as fuck in my opinion.

 

[HHJ]

I think in that situation though it wasnt really a bad move, Fedor had been pushed back into the ropes and was bouncing forward towards Arlovski potentially straight into the flying knee.

It wasnt really a sloppy flying knee like say Struve against Browne or that one Babalu threw around the same area were the opponent could respond to it when he was in the air, Fedor only managed to counter it because he started the counter very early and indeed the counter actually lands before Arlovski even gets in the air. Had he got airborne that would have been very difficult for Fedor to do much to him counter wise, he'd have had to get his defence up.

Really as well I think Arlovski did need to be aggressive, the way that fight was going lasting 25 mins without Fedor landing a big shot on him would IMHO have been pretty questionable so he needed to be throwing his own offence not just picking away.

Fedor's reflexes were razor sharp and he had the speed to get to him. I noticed anytime in the nogueira fights that as soon as nog's hands dropped fedor would smash him in the face immediatley. Once Arlovski put his hands down to propel himself for the flying knee,Fedor bodied him and almost hit him again on the way down. AA took too big of a risk with a guy of Fedor's skill and power.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Fedor's reflexes were razor sharp and he had the speed to get to him. I noticed anytime in the nogueira fights that as soon as nog's hands dropped fedor would smash him in the face immediatley. Once Arlovski put his hands down to propel himself for the flying knee,Fedor bodied him and almost hit him again on the way down. AA took too big of a risk with a guy of Fedor's skill and power.

Pretty much, the vast majority of opponents I don't think would have picked up on what Arlovski was doing early enough to counter it. I do think Fedor was arguebly the best natural boxer ever at HW, as fast hands as anyone but better reactions, especially when it came to slipping punches where I think he has a good case for being the best ever in MMA full stop not just at HW.

Really the whole "he was a sloppy brawler" hype again is some of the biggest fanboy nonsense on Sherdog from people who have no idea what there actually watching, people who buy into the "standing bolt upright and pumping the jab is technical" talk.

If anything I think latter day Fedor just shows you the difference, trying to fight in a similar fashion but with worse speed/reactions/timg and how he can get caught coming forward, unless you seriously think Matt Mitrone is a better counter fighter than peak Crocop in which case parts of your frontal lobe are most likely already floating in a jar on Dana Whites desk.

 

[HHJ]

Pretty much, the vast majority of opponents I don't think would have picked up on what Arlovski was doing early enough to counter it. I do think Fedor was arguebly the best natural boxer ever at HW, as fast hands as anyone but better reactions, especially when it came to slipping punches where I think he has a good case for being the best ever in MMA full stop not just at HW.

Really the whole "he was a sloppy brawler" hype again is some of the biggest fanboy nonsense on Sherdog from people who have no idea what there actually watching, people who buy into the "standing bolt upright and pumping the jab is technical" tank.

If anything I think latter day Fedor just shows you the difference, trying to fight in a similar fashion but with worse speed/reactions/timg and how he can get caught coming forward, unless you seriously think Matt Mitrone is a better counter fighter than peak Crocop in which case parts of your frontal lobe are most likely already floating in a jar on Dana Whites desk.

Yep. It's not a style for an older man.

We still have yet to see anyone quite pull off what Fedor did. Ive seen people counter flying attacks,but I never seen someone hit a guy before they jumped,and have them die in the air. That is why Fedor is a goddamned legend.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Yep. It's not a style for an older man.

We still have yet to see anyone quite pull off what Fedor did. Ive seen people counter flying attacks,but I never seen someone hit a guy before they jumped,and have them die in the air. That is why Fedor is a goddamned legend.

Again the obvious compairson is people like Tyson and Roy Jones, both of whole depended on speed/reactions and both of wome also dropped off by their mid 30's.

The Hendo fight comes up a lot but even with Fedor in decline I think you need to acknowledge that was quite a freaky outcome, To hear some people talking Hendo KOed Fedor with the H-bomb but actually I think you did see the difference in divisional power here. Hendo landed good punches on Fedor and did nothing to him, Fedor landed a good punch back and dropped Hendo and the finish came via a punch in a scamble landing with Fedor off balance leaning forward and then several punches that looked to the back of the head.

Really I can't see that match as good evidence that Hendo was definitively the better fighter at that point but again these are posters who have probably posted "He lost to a MW LOL!" about 500 times on Sherdog and still expect anyone to take what they say seriously.

 

[HHJ]

Again the obvious compairson is people like Tyson and Roy Jones, both of whole depended on speed/reactions and both of wome also dropped off by their mid 30's.

The Hendo fight comes up a lot but even with Fedor in decline I think you need to acknowledge that was quite a freaky outcome, To hear some people talking Hendo KOed Fedor with the H-bomb but actually I think you did see the difference in divisional power here. Hendo landed good punches on Fedor and did nothing to him, Fedor landed a good punch back and dropped Hendo and the finish came via a punch in a scamble landing with Fedor off balance leaning forward and then several punches that looked to the back of the head.

Really I can't see that match as good evidence that Hendo was definitively the better fighter at that point but again these are posters who have probably posted "He lost to a MW LOL!" about 500 times on Sherdog and still expect anyone to take what they say seriously.

Well he got hit by something he didnt see,which is the main reason why it stunned him. Hendo was on TRT also. Then yeah just a bunch of punches to the back of the head. Herb Dean did the right thing,even though Fedor could have recovered. Fedor went limp for a brief second,and thats why it was stopped.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Well he got hit by something he didnt see,which is the main reason why it stunned him. Hendo was on TRT also. Then yeah just a bunch of punches to the back of the head. Herb Dean did the right thing,even though Fedor could have recovered. Fedor went limp for a brief second,and thats why it was stopped.

I don't think the original face plant is enough for a legit stoppage personally given that Fedor was off balance and indeed that you see more clear knockdowns in that era like Arlovski/Sylvia 2 or Gomi/Tyson needing follow up GnP for the finish.

The big issue really is I'd say was the follow up GnP to the back of the head and to be frank I do not trust Herb Dean's judgement there, I think this is an area were bias can play a big issue, Nog/Mir 2 comes to mind and I think its pretty clear who the promoter wanted to win this fight given their patchy relationship with Fedor.

To me that follow up GnP looks illegal and indeed I think it being illegal is what allowed Hendo to land it, that he was throwingb diving in straight punch GnP allowed for a faster response whilst Fedor was prone than throwing punches from the side would have. I mean Fedor could have soccer kicked Hendo after the knockdown if rules don't matter.

 

[HHJ]

I don't think the original face plant is enough for a legit stoppage personally given that Fedor was off balance and indeed that you see more clear knockdowns in that era like Arlovski/Sylvia 2 or Gomi/Tyson needing follow up GnP for the finish.

The big issue really is I'd say was the follow up GnP to the back of the head and to be frank I do not trust Herb Dean's judgement there, I think this is an area were bias can play a big issue, Nog/Mir 2 comes to mind and I think its pretty clear who the promoter wanted to win this fight given their patchy relationship with Fedor.

To me that follow up GnP looks illegal and indeed I think it being illegal is what allowed Hendo to land it, that he was throwingb diving in straight punch GnP allowed for a faster response whilst Fedor was prone than throwing punches from the side would have.

I feel like despite all that Fedor recovered. It sucks that it ended that way. That is one of the hardest fights for me to watch. I was very frustrated.

 

[GOAT.]

It's always hilarious when someone tries to insult another online with childish name calling, but proceeds to make crucial mistakes in their argument, logic, or grammar.

You think IVs are used to dehydrate? What about them tiddies, chubs? Still waiting.

It's hilarious when 45 year old basement dwelling peasants like you grasp at straws to discredit Fedor. Kys.

 

[HHJ]

especially when it came to slipping punches where I think he has a good case for being the best ever in MMA full stop not just at HW.

Mark Hunt was throwing srs leather at him,and his head movement there kept him alive. Arlovski too.

 

[Fioretti]

It's hilarious when 45 year old basement dwelling peasants like you grasp at straws to discredit Fedor. Kys.

You should use an IV to dehydrate them fat tiddies before you post pics showing how young and manly you are, bud. Ready? Go!

 

[GOAT.]

You should use an IV to dehydrate them fat tiddies before you post pics showing how young and manly you are, bud. Ready? Go!

You should use your training from "guys with Florida from 20 years ago" to kys.