Fedor strengths and weaknesses and his skillset in the UFC today (Long Thread)

[Midget Boxer]

Change in style does not equate to "out of prime". Prime is an age thing.

Why does age matter? Age isn't everything

40 year old glover was champ. 45 year old hendo nearly won the mw title

 

[Fioretti]

Why does age matter? Age isn't everything

40 year old glover was champ. 45 year old hendo nearly won the mw title

Doesn't mean they were in their prime. Once again, individual personal best does not equate to "prime". "Prime" is age-based physiological and biological science on human development. Young adulthood ends at 35.

 

[Midget Boxer]

Doesn't mean they were in their prime. Once again, individual personal best does not equate to "prime". "Prime" is age-based physiological and biological science on human development. Young adulthood ends at 35.

So what's current glover called? If it's not his prime. Is it called "best years"??

 

[MartinGibson86]

Really weird that people itt can say they actually watch mma, yet shit on tai & Lewis while simultaneously glorifying fujita, goodridge, and coleman... especially when pondering Fedor's chances TODAY.


I mean, just watch Tai move compared to the way Big Daddy did...He is CLEARLY a shitton faster and more agile...and wasnt repping somethin called kuk song dool or whatever lol...


A fucking TMA remnant as a quality win for a 2022 GOAT candidate??!!


Amazing



Be well guys

 

[snugglecakes]

He was 33 and had been fighting for 10 years.

Cain was 1-3 after turning 33 and retired.

JDS was 3-5 with all losses by KO after turning 33.

Aldo went 3-4 after turning 32 and retired.

GSP retired at 32.

McGregor washed up at 33.

Shogun was washed up at 33.

Gustaffson is 0-4 since turning 33.

Sugary Ray Leonard never won another fight after turning 33.

Would you say these guys were all in their "semi prime"?

I’m too lazy to but know darn well you could list many counter examples of people really hitting their stride around early 30s + n they been at it for a decade +

good job listing mostly not heavyweights in yur examples tho… where age is far more diminishing.

As far as Cain goes… injury resistance is a part of yur combat attributes. All this talk about “so and so was never very good cause he has a glass chin.” That same logic should apply to everything. Cain was never that good because he has glass knees.

 

[The Last King]

Really weird that people itt can say they actually watch mma, yet shit on tai & Lewis while simultaneously glorifying fujita, goodridge, and coleman... especially when pondering Fedor's chances TODAY.


I mean, just watch Tai move compared to the way Big Daddy did...He is CLEARLY a shitton faster and more agile...and wasnt repping somethin called kuk song dool or whatever lol...


A fucking TMA remnant as a quality win for a 2022 GOAT candidate??!!


Amazing



Be well guys

Fujita was an Olympic level wrestler with an iron chin and power in his hands. He would have taken down Lewis and Tuivasa with ease. Tuivasa got taken down and LnPd by Spivak lol. Lewis got taken down and controlled on the ground by an ancient 45 year old Oleinik and was saved by the bell. To claim that an Olympic level wrestler like Coleman, Randleman and Fujita couldn't at least make these guys WORK is desperate and dishonest.

Gary Goodridge knocked out Mike Bernardo. Bernardo was 13-1 as a pro boxer with 9 of those wins coming by KO. A guy who won 55 pro kickboxing fights and has wins over Aerts, Hug, Sefo and Feitosa. Tuivasa and Lewis are BUMS compared to these men when it comes to striking. If Goodridge was able to KO someone like Bernardo he could most definitely KO a Lewis or a Tuivasa with 4oz gloves. That doesn't mean they couldn't KO Goodridge but acting like it's not a toss up is UFC shill hopium.

In regards to a peak 2003-2005 Fedor he would beat Lewis and Tuivasa like they stole something. 100x faster than them, would rag doll them in the clinch and clobber them on the ground and they wouldn't do a damn thing about it.

You should honestly send me a gift because I have literally educated you on combat sports. My son. Go clean your room now.

 

[Typrune Goatley]

Khabib doesnt believe Fedor woulda beat Cain or DC.


He doesn't

I actually remember Khabib teasing DC before one of his fights with Stipe. Khabib was telling him "these are not the greatest heavyweights of all time" or something like that because that was how UFC promoted it. Khabib was implying they are both below Fedor.

Really weird that people itt can say they actually watch mma, yet shit on tai & Lewis while simultaneously glorifying fujita, goodridge, and coleman... especially when pondering Fedor's chances TODAY.


I mean, just watch Tai move compared to the way Big Daddy did...He is CLEARLY a shitton faster and more agile...and wasnt repping somethin called kuk song dool or whatever lol...


A fucking TMA remnant as a quality win for a 2022 GOAT candidate??!!


Amazing



Be well guys

Goodridge was paid to wear the Kuk Sool Won gi back in 1996.

Goodridge fought Fedor in 2003. That is 7 years later.

Ngannou had only been training MMA for like 5 or 6 years when he got a UFC title shot against Stipe.

Goodridge had a lot of experience by that point.

 

[Fioretti]

So what's current glover called? If it's not his prime. Is it called "best years"??

I mean, he lost his title in his most recent fight, before he was ever able to defend it. He's 43 years old and has been pro for 20 years. Are you trying to say he's in his prime? Yet, Fedor was out of his prime at 33 years old and 10 years pro? Buddy, just stop.

Success doesn't equate to prime. Individual personal bests do not equate to prime. Losing doesn't equate to out of prime. Change of style doesn't equate to out of prime.

You all need help.

 

[The Last King]

I’m too lazy to but know darn well you could list many counter examples of people really hitting their stride around early 30s + n they been at it for a decade +

good job listing mostly not heavyweights in yur examples tho… where age is far more diminishing.

As far as Cain goes… injury resistance is a part of yur combat attributes. All this talk about “so and so was never very good cause he has a glass chin.” That same logic should apply to everything. Cain was never that good because he has glass knees.

I listed 2 HWs. Cain isn't the only fighter who suffered from injuries. Come back when you're less lazy.

 

[The Last King]

I actually remember Khabib teasing DC before one of his fights with Stipe. Khabib was telling him "these are not the greatest heavyweights of all time" or something like that because that was how UFC promoted it. Khabib was implying they are both below Fedor.


Goodridge was paid to wear the Kuk Sool Won gi back in 1996.

Goodridge fought Fedor in 2003. That is 7 years later.

Ngannou had only been training MMA for like 5 or 6 years when he got a UFC title shot against Stipe.

Goodridge had a lot of experience by that point.

Ouuuuf

 

[Midget Boxer]

mean, he lost his title in his most recent fight, before he was ever able to defend i

He was beating Jiri and embarrassed Jan who just fought for the title

Are you trying to say he's in his prime? Yet, Fedor was out of his prime at 33 years old and 10 years pro? Buddy, just stop.

Different peak years at different ages then. That's been our fucking point the whole time sir. Fedor had tons of fights packed into a 10 year run.

Success doesn't equate to prime. Individual personal bests do not equate to prime. Losing doesn't equate to out of prime. Change of style doesn't equate to out of prime

Nice word salad. Prime = peak years

 

[djacobox372]

Why does age matter? Age isn't everything

40 year old glover was champ. 45 year old hendo nearly won the mw title

Glover and Hendo were ALWAYS slow and plodding, so they developed styles that relied on strength, toughness, and technique--this allowed them to remain competitive into their 40s.

Fedor's style was ALWAYS based on speed, explosiveness and reflexes--all things that decline rapidly in your early 30s.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Glover and Hendo were ALWAYS slow and plodding, so they developed styles that relied on strength, toughness, and technique--this allowed them to remain competitive into their 40s.

Fedor's style was ALWAYS based on speed, explosiveness and reflexes--all things that decline rapidly in your early 30s.

And speed, reflexes, and explosiveness are vastly more umportant in the lighter weights.


Given that Mighty Mouse is 36, 16 years a pro, still top 3, and didnt face an unranked fighter for a decade prior to the trade...hed have to objectively ranked much higher P4P

As would Aljo---11 years pro...current BW champ at 33...

and many others lol

 

[MartinGibson86]

Jose Ald

He was 33 and had been fighting for 10 years.

Cain was 1-3 after turning 33 and retired.

JDS was 3-5 with all losses by KO after turning 33.

Aldo went 3-4 after turning 32 and retired.

GSP retired at 32.

McGregor washed up at 33.

Shogun was washed up at 33.

Gustaffson is 0-4 since turning 33.

Sugary Ray Leonard never won another fight after turning 33.

Would you say these guys were all in their "semi prime"?

LOL
jose aldo was a top 5 bw at 36


He didnt face anyone out of the top 10 for the last 13 years and 24 fights of his career.


Every fighter yoy listed was ranked at 35 plus and none fought winless scrubs in their primes...save for Gus---who's on nobodys atg list..

JDS was top 10 at 37...24 fights in 12 years in the ufc AFTER beating Werdum---all top 10 save for yvel and possibly mirko & struve....most top 5

Shogun beat Rampage at 23...14 years later he fought Anthony Smith as the #8 LHW.



Hey how bout Aljo??? 33...11 years in...

 

[The Last King]

And speed, reflexes, and explosiveness are vastly more umportant in the lighter weights.


Given that Mighty Mouse is 36, 16 years a pro, still top 3, and didnt face an unranked fighter for a decade prior to the trade...hed have to objectively ranked much higher P4P

As would Aljo---11 years pro...current BE champ at 33...

and many others lol

Mighty Mouse went life and death with and lost to Ian McCall and Dominick Cruz when he tried to go up in weight. At his very peak they couldn't even find opponents for him which is why nobodies like Chris Cariaso were getting title shots.

Mighty Mouse is still an amazing fighter- probably top 10 all time but he never faced the dangers and stress that someone like Hendo or Fedor faced. Fighting killers with HW punching power which can do real brain damage. Not manlets with 125lb punching power.

Fedor was 225lbs 5'11 with the reach of a welter weight going toe to toe with a peaking 6'4 240lb Arlovski who was coming off knocking out guys like Rothwell and Nelson who nobody could KO in those days. Not even peak JDS.

Prime 240lb JDS couldn't knock Nelson out with his best right hands and uppercuts for 5 rounds. Fedor wasn't going out there and looking to lay and pray AA.

Fedor was throwing down with him toe to toe, punch for punch. The physical risk, the danger levels and psychological stress levels of this are much heavier to deal with than fighting and being hit by Cariaso or Dominick Cruz.

An example of real danger like this would be someone like Wand going toe to toe with fresh out of K-1 Hunt. Someone like Hendo brawling with peak Rampage. Someone like Fedor trading bombs with Arlovski, young Hunt or a 290lb juiced Bigfoot who stopped Overeem, Travis Browne and brawled with Hunt for 5 rounds. There are levels to this danger.

Getting full power kicked in the skull by Cro Cop hit different. Werdum said that when he was living and training in Croatia with Mirko, a Cop low kick ruptured the muscle in Werdums upper leg through the pads and he couldn't walk for a month.

This ain't Chris Cariaso or Dom Cruz kicking you. It's amazing that this needs to be explained. The equivalent of this kind of danger would be Demetrius fighting someone like Prime McGregor, Dustin Porier and Justin Gaethje. Completely different stress levels and danger levels.

Guys like Fedor, DC, Hendo, Wanderlei and Penn are have been more impressive in that regard than DJ. They fought above their frame, above their weight and against killers who could truly hospitalize them or kill them. I'd say Frankie Edgar faced way more danger in the cage than DJ too.

 

[Glove]

It would be a mistake on those to simply call fighters like Kazuyuki Fujita, Naoyo Ogawa and Hong Man Choi :"cans" when they are hardly that. They had relative success in their skill sets and even in combat sports. They just happen to have lost to the elite fighters which made them look "inferior" to them.

 

[Fioretti]

He was beating Jiri and embarrassed Jan who just fought for the title



Different peak years at different ages then. That's been our fucking point the whole time sir. Fedor had tons of fights packed into a 10 year run.



Nice word salad. Prime = peak years

So age 43 and 20 years fighting is prime for Glover, but a decade less on each is past prime for Fedro? Heard. Glover has doubled your make believe decade rule and shattered your entire argument.

Individual personal best is not prime. Igor had 38 fights in 4 years. Travis Fulton fought 320 times in 15 years. Severn has 127, Horn has 118, Travis Wuiff has 89.

No, it doesn't. No matter which sweaty manlete is your favey. Prime is an age range.

 

[Midget Boxer]

So age 43 and 20 years fighting is prime for Glover, but a decade less on each is past prime for Fedro? Heard. Glover has doubled your make believe decade rule and shattered your entire argument.

Individual personal best is not prime. Igor had 38 fights in 4 years. Travis Fulton fought 320 times in 15 years. Severn has 127, Horn has 118, Travis Wuiff has 89.

No, it doesn't. No matter which sweaty manlete is your favey. Prime is an age range.

Fedor had 30 fights 10 years into his career plus a sambo career. Glover had 20 fights ten years into his career and competed in BJJ but that's not full contact like sambo

I'd say it's easier for Glover to maintain longevity

 

[TJ177]

I fills me with joy that Hong Man Choi's MMA resume is being discussed with such earnestness and appreciation. It's about time he got his due.

 

[snugglecakes]

I listed 2 HWs. Cain isn't the only fighter who suffered from injuries. Come back when you're less lazy.

I don’t have to cause you know yur argument is bullshit but fine. Werdum won the heavyweight ufc belt older than fedor was when he got plooked by a middleweight n doom had been at it for double digit years. George Forman won the boxing hw belt at 50. DC won ufc hw belt while pushing 40 n it was after a long career that included all the wear n tear of wrestling. Randy won it at 43ish after a long career that span across wrestling boxing and mma. Sean O’Malley of all people has been fighting for 10ish years now and he’s better now than he was then n just a few years younger than when fedors strike force fail began.

what is hard to understand about the concept of a semi prime? It obviously means just “slightly” diminished from your prime. Everybody said fedor was number 1 when he went into the doom fight n lost then they said “oh it was a fluke look he rocked n dropped doom then got fluke subbed.” 2 losses with their respective excuses later n conveniently he’s out of his prime to save face.

you can’t always blame losses on leaving prime but rather a competition step up.

Fedor was bigger than most of his opponents by the way so his david that slayed Goliaths myth needs to go away. Randleman is a middleweight. Cro cop is lighter than a giant laundry list of LHWs’ walk around weight. Not so big nog comes in round 225-230 while some lhws cut from more. Coleman is a light heavyweight. Those are what’s considered fedors best wins.

if you Insist on looking at his wins vs bigger guys we can agree that cans like Hong man and Zulu aren’t worth mentioning. Timmay had already been dominated by LHW randy so he was utterly irrelevant by then. Arlovski was tagging fedor at will but then he decided to try the ill advised experimental flying chin butt technique, where you try to win via doctor stoppage by breaking your opponents hand by trying to strike their fist with your chin