Fedor strengths and weaknesses and his skillset in the UFC today (Long Thread)

[Deleted member 110072]

That's why they call it the golden era of HW in MMA. I think the second best era was around 2008-2012ish.

I think that era was hurt a little by Aleks, Sergei and Arlovski dropping off quite rapidly but it still felt healthier in terms of new talent coming though.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

I think that era was hurt a little by Aleks, Sergei and Arlovski dropping off quite rapidly but it still felt healthier in terms of new talent coming though.

Yeah some guys fell off but for the most part there were still a good amount of quality HWs coming up, DC, Carwin, Cain, JDS and some guys like Mir got better. I feel like after Strikeforce disappeared there was significantly less young talent at HW than there was between 2000-2012.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Yeah some guys fell off but for the most part there were still a good amount of quality HWs coming up, DC, Carwin, Cain, JDS and some guys like Mir got better. I feel like after Strikeforce disappeared there was significantly less young talent at HW than there was between 2000-2012.

Guys like JDS as well really I think were also the product of the tail end of the "super camp" system, I'm guessing part of the reason he stayed in the smaller orgs as long as he did was that Pride died around the time he would potentially have moved up.

In the recent era really it feels more rarer when you had a genuinely great HW appear like Ngannou or Gane, guys get built up as contenders who for me would have been struggling to be top 10 15 years ago.

 

[Texan6533]

People can say whatever they want, but Fedor was truly the most well rounded heavyweight ever. You just don’t see guys that can transition between skill sets as seamlessly as he could. Aside from his speed, his transitions and pressure kept opponents off balance regardless of their strengths. Pure dominance in his prime 2003-2005ish)

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Guys like JDS as well really I think were also the product of the tail end of the "super camp" system, I'm guessing part of the reason he stayed in the smaller orgs as long as he did was that Pride died around the time he would potentially have moved up.

In the recent era really it feels more rarer when you had a genuinely great HW appear like Ngannou or Gane, guys get built up as contenders who for me would have been struggling to be top 10 15 years ago.

I think that same thing could apply to Glover in why he was on the regional scene for so long but it has helped his longevity.

 

[ermac88]

Not responding to your posts because it feels like talking to someone with a 4th grade education. You don't even know what a sentence is. Smh.

Huh?

Umm, that is a response.

What you really mean to type is, you dont have a cogent response nor can formulate anything to refute the facts I posted.

 

[ThePimblettEra]

Long story short, prime Fedor bodies 10 out of 10 modern heavyweights.

If you can't see that then you're simply an MMA noob (sorry, but it's true).

Mods, close this thread please, ffs!

 

[BFoe]

That's not even a nice try. Justify his ranking, fella. How was he ranked? Two losses to an unranked fighter and two wins over unranked fighters.

Back it up or grab your spoon and eat it like a good little boy.

Omg are your feelings hurt by a ranking that an MMA news outlet did 20 years ago??

Fioretti: “Fujita wasn’t ranked!”
BFoe: *provides ranking*
Fioretti: “B-b-but I don’t like it!”

Thems the breaks, bud.

I would reverse the point as well and say that generally in Fedor's era "top 10" had much more relevance than in recent years, the era around the end of Pride I think is arguebly the strongest the top 10 at HW has ever been with Fedor, Nog, Crocop, Barnett, Arlovski, Werdum, Aleks, Sergei, Sylvia, Hunt, to be a top 10 fighter at that point was a mark of really elite skill.

I think in the current era a very good chance guys like Coleman, Fujita, Randleman, Semmy, Goodridge, Herring, etc would be top 10 or higher, Semmy honestly I think could potentially be champ in the current UFC given the relative lack of quality grappling.

A lot of them have that potential. Good lord, Shamil Abdurakhimov was top 10 just a year ago. Tybura is still there I think. In Fedor’s day, orgs didn’t have official rankings, so top 10 meant top 10 in the world, not just top 10 in a given org. It can be tough to compare to today sometimes, and it’s getting harder with the way the UFC manipulates rankings.

@Fioretti always gets salty about this shit though. When we first started debating this, he wouldn’t acknowledge Hunt as a ranked opponent. Some TS used a FightMatrix ranking for Hunt and Fioretti screamed at a cloud about it. We finally dug up a contemporary ranking showing Hunt was ranked, but Fioretti was adamant that we count Hunt at #9 like that ranking said and not #8 like the TS had posted <45>

Likewise, he got salty about a Bloody Elbow Meta Ranking from Jan 2009 showing Arlovski at #2 before the Fedor fight…
We’ve debated this shit tons of times, and I’ve come to realize this is just how he processes grief. He’ll be ok.

 

[TJ177]

Honestly can't believe this thread is still going.

If someone started a thread called "Could Fedor have played in the NFL?", it would be a surefire bet to get to at least 50 pages. The same 4 or 5 people would be posting clips of Bob Sapp and Greg Hardy and they will "prove" that Fedor probably would have averaged at least 5 yards per carry due to his unrivaled speed and instincts. There would have to be the slight allowance that MAYBE he wouldn't be as good as Barry Sanders but then widespread agreement that if he had 2 years of training to learn blocking schemes he'd be the best. And given his sambo background, he also would lead the league in sacks. And field goals.

 

[Typrune Goatley]

he did things white belts know not to do like try go grab a chokehold while he was side mounted.


yeah he improved after rings but he is showing how bad mma fighters used to be compared to present day. dunno wat the fuck ppl are talking about the sport "devolving" even with a weak hw division atm

Watch around 5:55

Fedor wasn't holding on the head only to choke. He was actually using the threat of the choke and was keeping his grip with the head control to try and REVERSE Arona. Keeping the head prevented Arona from easily sliding into mount and at that point it was Fedor's last resort to try and reverse him anyway. You can see Fedor try to roll him and over and reverse him but Arona was able to scramble and stay on top and Fedor had to let go of the head.

Arona was one of the best grapplers on the planet. Nobody ever scored a point on him in ADCC. These are two high level grapplers here under the unique rules of RINGS.

 

[Can’t Handle My Riddum]

Honestly can't believe this thread is still going.

If someone started a thread called "Could Fedor have played in the NFL?", it would be a surefire bet to get to at least 50 pages. The same 4 or 5 people would be posting clips of Bob Sapp and Greg Hardy and they will "prove" that Fedor probably would have averaged at least 5 yards per carry due to his unrivaled speed and instincts. There would have to be the slight allowance that MAYBE he wouldn't be as good as Barry Sanders but then widespread agreement that if he had 2 years of training to learn blocking schemes he'd be the best. And given his sambo background, he also would lead the league in sacks. And field goals.

This is the best post in 40+ pages which sums up the whole thread and the Fedor fanatic MMA sub-culture.

 

[Midget Boxer]

@BFoe do you have any GIFS of Mark coleman wrestling?

 

[mjfan23]

Yeah damage control as you said : it's just makerting since Fedor is popular among some hardcore fans that will harrase you on Twitter.

We already know what happened to Fedor once he faced some decent competition.

Once again, not a single pretending GOAT has a loss as embarrassing as Fedor against an old MW, not a single one, no matter the fighting sport.

In today UFC era, nobody would think that a guy who fought in WW would ever have a chance against a HW champion.

Cool story bro. But when AA, Big Ben and other dinosaurs who all peaked nearly two decades ago were picking up wins in the new modern MW proof HW division of ufc it really adds merit to your argument.

 

[The Last King]

GSP: "Fedor is the GOAT."

Jon Jones: "Fedor belongs on Mount Rushmore of MMA."

Jose Aldo: "Fedor is the GOAT."


Random, basement dwelling, 40 year old virgin, loser from sherdog: "Fedor sucks. He lost to MW Hendo."

*posts Bader gif*

*writes something toxic and hateful*

"his fans!"


*Continues to dwell on couch and guzzle saturated fats*

 

[BFoe]

Honestly can't believe this thread is still going.

If someone started a thread called "Could Fedor have played in the NFL?", it would be a surefire bet to get to at least 50 pages. The same 4 or 5 people would be posting clips of Bob Sapp and Greg Hardy and they will "prove" that Fedor probably would have averaged at least 5 yards per carry due to his unrivaled speed and instincts. There would have to be the slight allowance that MAYBE he wouldn't be as good as Barry Sanders but then widespread agreement that if he had 2 years of training to learn blocking schemes he'd be the best. And given his sambo background, he also would lead the league in sacks. And field goals.

This is the best post in 40+ pages which sums up the whole thread and the Fedor fanatic MMA sub-culture.

No, that’s just stupid.

We all know Fedor would play in the NBA.

 

[BFoe]

@BFoe do you have any GIFS of Mark coleman wrestling?

No, I don’t believe so. I have a few GIFS from Fedor-Coleman fights, but none of Coleman’s amateur wrestling that I can think of.

 

[The Last King]

@BFoe do you have any GIFS of Mark coleman wrestling?

Watch the Mark Kerr: smashing machine documentary

 

[Yellowcrab]

Cool story bro. But when AA, Big Ben and other dinosaurs who all peaked nearly two decades ago were picking up wins in the new modern MW proof HW division of ufc it really adds merit to your argument.

Why do you even mention their name ?

Both have an average record in the UFC, especially post USADA.

Post USADA, Arlovski is a gatekeeper only good at beating some unknown fighters.

Ngannou destroyed all the so-called legends. Losing is no shame, but when you lose by a brutal KO in only few seconds in the first round, then it says a lot :

- Velazquez destroyed in less than 30 seconds.
- JDS destroyed in less than 1min20.

We have to believe that the level was better when nobody cared about MMA, when it wasn't popular, when there was no money ?

Here's the bitter fanboy logic

 

[The Last King]

Why do you even mention their name ?

Both have an average record in the UFC, especially post USADA.

Post USADA, Arlovski is a gatekeeper only good at beating some unknown fighters.

Ngannou destroyed all the so-called legends. Losing is no shame, but when you lose by a brutal KO in only few seconds in the first round, then it says a lot :

- Velazquez destroyed in less than 30 seconds.
- JDS destroyed in less than 1min20.

We have to believe that the level was better when nobody cared about MMA, when it wasn't popular, when there was no money ?

Here's the bitter fanboy logic

What a clown.

JDS and Cain were washed up fossils when they lost to Ngannou.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Omg are your feelings hurt by a ranking that an MMA news outlet did 20 years ago??

Fioretti: “Fujita wasn’t ranked!”
BFoe: *provides ranking*
Fioretti: “B-b-but I don’t like it!”

Thems the breaks, bud.
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A lot of them have that potential. Good lord, Shamil Abdurakhimov was top 10 just a year ago. Tybura is still there I think. In Fedor’s day, orgs didn’t have official rankings, so top 10 meant top 10 in the world, not just top 10 in a given org. It can be tough to compare to today sometimes, and it’s getting harder with the way the UFC manipulates rankings.

@Fioretti always gets salty about this shit though. When we first started debating this, he wouldn’t acknowledge Hunt as a ranked opponent. Some TS used a FightMatrix ranking for Hunt and Fioretti screamed at a cloud about it. We finally dug up a contemporary ranking showing Hunt was ranked, but Fioretti was adamant that we count Hunt at #9 like that ranking said and not #8 like the TS had posted <45>

Likewise, he got salty about a Bloody Elbow Meta Ranking from Jan 2009 showing Arlovski at #2 before the Fedor fight…
We’ve debated this shit tons of times, and I’ve come to realize this is just how he processes grief. He’ll be ok.

Fujita as a top win for a GOAT HW??!!


He needed a midfight heart attack to beat Ken Shamrock.

Priceless