Fedor strengths and weaknesses and his skillset in the UFC today (Long Thread)

[Yellowcrab]

Henderson is an all time great, nerd. Deal with it. I know you want to discredit Fedor any way you can but no need to disrespect Hendo.

I never said Henderson was bad, he's a good fighter.

But a good fighter is still far inferior to what Pacquiao is.

Pacquiao > Henderson at any possible level as far as their respective career is concerned.

You're still moving the goal post : losing to Henderson is no shame if you're not a much younger HW, do you understand?

Silva and GSP never lost against a much older grandpa coming from a lower weight class, especially with such a massive gap :

Henderson lowest division was WW

 

[MartinGibson86]

I wouldn't say that. He was in the HW GP final against Bader for the HW title in Bellator. This is the second biggest MMA promotion and the second best HW division. I would certainly say that's being relevant. And that was in 2019, we're talking 19 years into his mma career.

He got ko'db by a jab afterbeating Chael and 3 year winless Mir to get there.

 

[JKS]

He got ko'db by a jab afterbeating Chael and 3 year winless Mir to get there.

You can spin it anyway you want. Fact of the matter is that Fedor was fighting for the HW title in Bellator, regardless of who he beat to get there. That's being relevant.

There's no way to disguise that.

I highly doubt Fedor would have much success in the UFCs HW division at that point. But he was still relevant in Bellator.

 

[Typrune Goatley]

then dropped 3 straight. Was heavily favored in all 3

And that happens to almost every great fighter after 10 years in the game or around 30 fights

Frankie Edgar
Dominick Cruz
Rashad Evans
Rampage Jackson
Wanderlei Silva
Chuck Liddell
Andrei Arlovski
Anderson Silva
BJ Penn
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Tony Ferguson

 

[MartinGibson86]

And that happens to almost every great fighter after 10 years in the game or around 30 fights

Frankie Edgar
Dominick Cruz
Rashad Evans
Rampage Jackson
Wanderlei Silva
Chuck Liddell
Andrei Arlovski
Anderson Silva
BJ Penn
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Tony Ferguson

Less than a third of Fedors first 32 opponents were top 10

 

[Typrune Goatley]

Fedor never avenged the Hendo lost nor becam e a GOATcandidate AFTER.


Bad examples amigo.


Fedor was never relevant again post-Werdum

So what if he wasn't great AFTER losing to Hendo? He was great for 10 years. 7 years as world champion, the only person in MMA history to do that.

So GSP and Anderson are better because they lost in the middle of their careers while Fedor didn't even start losing until 34 fights????


They all lost at some point yet everyone knows they are the GOATs of their division. You know this too.

 

[Typrune Goatley]

Less than a third of Fedors first 32 opponents were top 10

Yet he has more top 10 wins than any other Heavyweight in MMA history, with the exception of Nog, who he beat twice.

So you're telling me Fedor has a lot of ranked wins PLUS a lot of unranked wins on top of that as a bonus? Damn, Fedor really was great.

 

[Reffson]

I thought Conor haters were the dumbest fucks on this forum, but the Fedor haters are giving them a good run. It's like they can't see talent nor technical ability.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Yet he has more top 10 wins than any other Heavyweight in MMA history, with the exception of Nog, who he beat twice.

So you're telling me Fedor has a lot of ranked wins PLUS a lot of unranked wins on top of that as a bonus? Damn, Fedor really was great.

Sure if you wanna pretend Goodridge, Semmy, Coleman, Randleman, Fujita, were top 10 be my guest lol.

 

[Reffson]

How did werdum enter his prime at 33-36? Why did Jones at age 32 struggle against Dominick Reyes who's been KOd 3x in a row? Conor mcgregor started to lose fights when he turned 28

Everybody is different. Conor started losing because he changed sports at his peak, then partied like an animal before he came back 2 years later. Sure he made huge money and started his own successful company, but it wasn't good for his MMA career.

 

[MartinGibson86]

So what if he wasn't great AFTER losing to Hendo? He was great for 10 years. 7 years as world champion, the only person in MMA history to do that.

So GSP and Anderson are better because they lost in the middle of their careers while Fedor didn't even start losing until 34 fights????


They all lost at some point yet everyone knows they are the GOATs of their division. You know this too.

Nog 2x, CroCop, AA, Hunto, Timmy, and Herring.


Those are the top 6 wins for your alleged GOAT and it gets REALLY thin after that.


Francis' resume is WAY better

 

[Reffson]

Nog 2x, CroCop, AA, Hunto, Timmy, and Herring.


Those are the top 6 wins for your alleged GOAT and it gets REALLY thin after that.


Francis' resume is WAY better

Francis beat some great fighters AFTER they were great. His resume reads like a novel of nobodies and has-beens. Prime cop would have chopped him down. Fedor would have rag-dolled him, and Nog choke him out. Sapp was no scrub in his prime either. He finished Hoost in the 1st round in K-1.

 

[BFoe]

I never said Henderson was bad, he's a good fighter.

But a good fighter is still far inferior to what Pacquiao is.

Pacquiao > Henderson at any possible level as far as their respective career is concerned.

You're still moving the goal post : losing to Henderson is no shame if you're not a much younger HW, do you understand?

Silva and GSP never lost against a much older grandpa coming from a lower weight class, especially with such a massive gap :

Henderson lowest division was WW

No, Dan Henderson is Top 10 all time. Pacquaio is great but not typically in the top 10 all time boxing ranking. Even if you have Hendo ranked lower than that, I think a comparison to Pacquiao is perfectly legit.

Dan Henderson never fought at 170 lbs ever btw.

Sure if you wanna pretend Goodridge, Semmy, Coleman, Randleman, Fujita, were top 10 be my guest lol.

Semmy, Randleman, and Coleman (in 2004) were top 10 actually. Fujita as well according to MMANews.

This ranking here comes from @Fioretti actually. I assume it is MMAWeekly since that is his usual go to. Semmy is #10:
June 11, 2002
HEAVYWEIGHT over 205 lbs. and up (93.19 kg and up)
1. Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira
2. Josh Barnett
3. Heath Herring
4. Randy Couture
5. Pedro Rizzo
6. Mark Coleman
7. Ricco Rodriguez
8. Igor Vovchanchyn
9. Mario Sperry
10.Semmy Schilt

Coleman in 2004 can be found here.
This is an archived ranking from just before the 2004 PRIDE GP which has Coleman at #8.

If you scroll down slightly from that Coleman ranking, you’ll see an archived ranking from June 2004 which has Randleman ranked at #8.

Not all outlets ranked Fujita, but it appears MMANews did. It looks like this, and link is here.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030601122330/http://www.mmanews.com/rankings/index.shtml
MMA NEWS
May 04, 2003
Heavyweight (200 - 265 lbs.)
1. Emelianenko Fedor
2. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
3. Josh Barnett
4. Tim Sylvia
5. Heath Herring
6. Ricco Rodriguez
7. Wesley Correira
8. Gan McGee
9. Frank Mir
10. Kazayuki Fujita

Goodridge I don’t believe was ranked, and personally I don’t count him as a ranked opponent for Fedor. He really doesn’t deserve to be considered a can or scrub though, I say he’s a good or “decent” win. Not a ranked win though.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Francis beat some great fighters AFTER they were great. His resume reads like a novel of nobodies and has-beens. Prime cop would have chopped him down. Fedor would have rag-dolled him, and Nog choke him out. Sapp was no scrub in his prime either. He finished Hoost in the 1st round in K-1.

Prime Fedor couldnt rag doll Mark Hunt and was sidemounted twice and nearly subbed.


Blaydes is twice the wrestler of Nog and much bigger and hasnt gotten Francis down in 2 fights.

CroCop got decapitated by Gonzaga...I guess the Mirko who fought Minowaman beats Francis??


lmao

 

[SHAOLINMONK420]

Lmaaooo the literature here. Simply profound.

trying to change the subject cuz ur cornered

 

[MartinGibson86]

No, Dan Henderson is Top 10 all time. Pacquaio is great but not typically in the top 10 all time boxing ranking. Even if you have Hendo ranked lower than that, I think a comparison to Pacquiao is perfectly legit.

Dan Henderson never fought at 170 lbs ever btw.

Semmy, Randleman, and Coleman (in 2004) were top 10 actually. Fujita as well according to MMANews.

This ranking here comes from @Fioretti actually. I assume it is MMAWeekly since that is his usual go to. Semmy is #10:
June 11, 2002
HEAVYWEIGHT over 205 lbs. and up (93.19 kg and up)
1. Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira
2. Josh Barnett
3. Heath Herring
4. Randy Couture
5. Pedro Rizzo
6. Mark Coleman
7. Ricco Rodriguez
8. Igor Vovchanchyn
9. Mario Sperry
10.Semmy Schilt

Coleman in 2004 can be found here.
This is an archived ranking from just before the 2004 PRIDE GP which has Coleman at #8.

If you scroll down slightly from that Coleman ranking, you’ll see an archived ranking from June 2004 which has Randleman ranked at #8.

Not all outlets ranked Fujita, but it appears MMANews did. It looks like this, and link is here.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030601122330/http://www.mmanews.com/rankings/index.shtml
MMA NEWS
May 04, 2003
Heavyweight (200 - 265 lbs.)
1. Emelianenko Fedor
2. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
3. Josh Barnett
4. Tim Sylvia
5. Heath Herring
6. Ricco Rodriguez
7. Wesley Correira
8. Gan McGee
9. Frank Mir

Goodridge I don’t believe was ranked, and personally I don’t count him as a ranked opponent for Fedor. He really doesn’t deserve to be considered a can or scrub though, I say he’s a good or “decent” win. Not a ranked win though.

Cabbage as the 7th best HW??!!!


He'd lose to Parker Porter...

Yea HW has TOTALLY regressed lol

 

[Fioretti]

No, Dan Henderson is Top 10 all time. Pacquaio is great but not typically in the top 10 all time boxing ranking. Even if you have Hendo ranked lower than that, I think a comparison to Pacquiao is perfectly legit.

Dan Henderson never fought at 170 lbs ever btw.

Semmy, Randleman, and Coleman (in 2004) were top 10 actually. Fujita as well according to MMANews.

This ranking here comes from @Fioretti actually. I assume it is MMAWeekly since that is his usual go to. Semmy is #10:
June 11, 2002
HEAVYWEIGHT over 205 lbs. and up (93.19 kg and up)
1. Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira
2. Josh Barnett
3. Heath Herring
4. Randy Couture
5. Pedro Rizzo
6. Mark Coleman
7. Ricco Rodriguez
8. Igor Vovchanchyn
9. Mario Sperry
10.Semmy Schilt

Coleman in 2004 can be found here.
This is an archived ranking from just before the 2004 PRIDE GP which has Coleman at #8.

If you scroll down slightly from that Coleman ranking, you’ll see an archived ranking from June 2004 which has Randleman ranked at #8.

Not all outlets ranked Fujita, but it appears MMANews did. It looks like this, and link is here.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030601122330/http://www.mmanews.com/rankings/index.shtml
MMA NEWS
May 04, 2003
Heavyweight (200 - 265 lbs.)
1. Emelianenko Fedor
2. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
3. Josh Barnett
4. Tim Sylvia
5. Heath Herring
6. Ricco Rodriguez
7. Wesley Correira
8. Gan McGee
9. Frank Mir
10. Kazayuki Fujita

Goodridge I don’t believe was ranked, and personally I don’t count him as a ranked opponent for Fedor. He really doesn’t deserve to be considered a can or scrub though, I say he’s a good or “decent” win. Not a ranked win though.

Coleman was ranked the first time, not the second, but most try to count him twice.

Fedro has 10 top wins in his career. One of them being Randleman who was in the middle of a 1-6 streak and only ranked momentarily for his KO of Mirko. Another was 5-2 Mark Hunt coming off a loss who was only ranked momentarily for his decision win vs Mirko. Fujita was not a ranked win. Semmy was, but barely.

 

[BFoe]

Coleman was ranked the first time, not the second, but most try to count him twice.

Fedro has 10 top wins in his career. One of them being Randleman who was in the middle of a 1-5 streak or something like that. Who was only ranked momentarily for his KO of Mirko. Another was 5-2 Mark Hunt coming off a loss who was only ranked momentarily for his decision win vs Mirko. Fujita was not a ranked win. Sammy was, but barely.

I just provided a ranking for Fujita, so sorry bud, you’re gonna have to eat that one.
I don’t count Coleman in 2006. As I said in my post, he was ranked for the 2004 fight.

 

[BFoe]

Cabbage as the 7th best HW??!!!


He'd lose to Parker Porter...

Yea HW has TOTALLY regressed lol

Haha nice pivot and segue bud. I thought you wanted to talk about where Fedor’s opponents were ranked, but you don’t anymore now that I provided the rankings you asked for? Take your L and don’t whine about it.

 

[MartinGibson86]

I just provided a ranking for Fujita, so sorry bud, you’re gonna have to eat that one.
I don’t count Coleman in 2006. As I said in my post, he was ranked for the 2004 fight.

I mean yea if Cabbage is 7th i guess you can find room for a guy whovery nearly lost to Ken Shamrock in the top 10.

You should be proud to call a guy who lost to Mark Coleman and nearly lost to Shamrock a "ranked" win for a GOAT HW


Shit Fujita probly gives DC and Stipe a good go