Fedor never beat a great, well rounded fighter

K1 ubereem or sea level cain are the only fighters i see giving fedor potential trouble on his best day.
 
fortheo said:
Maybe great well rounded fighters should have done better in the sport back then. Being well rounded is overrated. What matters is winning.
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Funny how it doesn't matter yet the Strikeforce guys who were beating him by finish all did so because they were well rounded.
 
blastoff said:
Prime Nog was one of the better boxers that HW has seen

His wrestling was a bigger weakness than his boxing



Barnett would've been the most well-rounded Fedor fought but Josh pissed it away (literally)
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Nog had 0 head movement what so ever. He's one of the most over rated heavy weights ever. There's a reason people only ever bring up his biggest losses.
 
In other news, Anderson Silva fought a bunch of bums. It wasn't until he fought Chris Weidman that he fought a well rounded fighter.

Same with BJ Penn fighting bums until Frankie Edgar, Royce Gracie fighting bums until Matt Hughes, etc etc.
 
Only Here for Attachments said:
So who should he have fought instead?
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JCVD.

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TheBulge said:
Funny how it doesn't matter yet the Strikeforce guys who were beating him by finish all did so because they were well rounded.
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Right, I'm sure that's why. Dan henderson is not well rounded lol, great fighter, but not well rounded, but again, being well rounded is overrated. Dan has basic wrestling and an inside leg kick to a right hand, practically no submission grappling. Werdum didn't knock Fedor out, he submitted him, and that version of werdum wasn't that well rounded. He got knocked out by two people in strikeforce, and now you're acting like that's enough data to draw from in order to disregard all of his wins.
 
Icecreamguy said:
K1 ubereem or sea level cain are the only fighters i see giving fedor potential trouble on his best day.
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The problem with ubereem is that his chin always sucked. Before he was ubereem, during and after it always sucked. If he was ever gonna beat fedor he'd have to with stand pressure and swarming. Reem can KO anybody if he lands, but Fedor would have been a heavy favorite. His strengths played perfectly to reem's weakness. Heavy hitting and swarming pressure. That fight probably would have ended with reem walking backwards into the ropes or cage and getting dropped.

Cain? In a ring if give him no chance. Can't wrestle against the ropes and much harder to hold people down. He'd have a much betyvhance in a cage if he could hold Fedor down for 5 rounds but I wouldn't favor him. I watched that dude get dropped by Kongo like 3 times lol. Cain's head movement sucked and he probably gets dropped. He'd have to steam roll Fedor fast if he was going to win.
 
TheBulge said:
If that is true(Which I pointed out is untrue) then that automatically disqualifies him from being ranked so high.

He'd be more in the realm of a pioneer like Royce Gracie or Ken Shamrock, guys who were great for their time but they simply had no great, modern level of opposition to really prove their worth.

Fedor had that chance in his early 30s when he went to strikeforce, could have become the GOAT by beating 5 monstrous, very well rounded HW's in Werdum, Bigfoot, Cormier, Ubereem and Barnett.

But he stayed the same, same old tricks that worked against the one dimensional opponents of the 2000s no longer worked in the new era.
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Hhahaha just reinforcing your join date are you?
New era? Lol
Reem and doom? Hahhaha

those guys were getting beaten up by rua, Nog and Sergei types in Fedors prime and not even in title picture.

They only became the new era when everyone along with them became old and mma turned in masters version of handicapped olympics.

This new era you talk about how young is it? What’s the average age?

I look at ufc and dinosaurs from Fedors era like AA, Reem, Big Ben, olexi, etc are all still or were until recently still winning and relevant. This new era is the black beast era lol a guy mark hunt knocked out 40 years removed from his own K1 winning prime days hahhaha

modern hws you talk about are the shittiest ever. They are only comparable to current LHW in terms of drop of talent vs previous generations. In modern ufc well rounded era at LHW Glover tex who was actually Chuck Liddells primary training partner has cleared out the division and about to fight a nearly 40 year old KSW cast off for the title.

2021 modern well rounded era in all its glory!!
 
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Sherdog...either you think Fedor is GOAT or a guy who beat cans his whole career.
 
websurfer said:
In other news, Anderson Silva fought a bunch of bums. It wasn't until he fought Chris Weidman that he fought a well rounded fighter.

Same with BJ Penn fighting bums until Frankie Edgar, Royce Gracie fighting bums until Matt Hughes, etc etc.
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In bj penns case it proved fat guys outside bars in Hawaii are the only well rounded fighters. Gomi, machida, Hughes etc that he competed with before are just bums
 
egk said:
It's just as easy to say the reason Fedor was so great is HE was the first well-rounded HW. HW's are still extremely one-dimensional today.
I don't use the term GOAT because it's too broad but Fedor was the best of his time.
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I mean look at black beast and Ngannou. Two of the best heavy weights in the world. Ngannou had no wrestling at all a couple of years ago and lewis does not give a shit about wrestling or bjj what so ever.

Blaydes is a good wrestler with shit striking.

Stipe is a decent wrestle boxer, but isn't particularly great at either. Gets hit way too much and his wrestling isn't something that I think would give prime Fedor problems at all
 
TheBulge said:
If that is true(Which I pointed out is untrue) then that automatically disqualifies him from being ranked so high.

He'd be more in the realm of a pioneer like Royce Gracie or Ken Shamrock, guys who were great for their time but they simply had no great, modern level of opposition to really prove their worth.

Fedor had that chance in his early 30s when he went to strikeforce, could have become the GOAT by beating 5 monstrous, very well rounded HW's in Werdum, Bigfoot, Cormier, Ubereem and Barnett.

But he stayed the same, same old tricks that worked against the one dimensional opponents of the 2000s no longer worked in the new era.
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You also forgot to point out his amazing and legendary 6-6 record inside the cage when he came to America <36>{<jordan}
 
That's most fighters. Cain never fought someone with good standup and BJJ until Werdum. Silva never fought a good wrestler until Weidman.

There are very few truly well rounded fighters in MMA. It happens.
 
Basically, you're saying Fedor was ahead of his time.

Okay, cool, he was.

The guys from 2010 onwards just caught up to him by then.
 
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