Media Fedor named most padded record by MMA on Point!

[Fioretti]

@AnotherOldGuy

UFC CHAMPIONS BY AGE: (*= interim champion)

HW

Mark Coleman - 33
Maurice Smith - 35
Randy Couture - 34
Bas Rutten - 34
Kevin Randleman - 28
Randy Couture - 37
Josh Barnett - 25
Ricco Rodriguez - 25
Tim Sylvia - 25
Frank Mir - 25
Andrei Arlovski - 26
Tim Sylvia - 28
Randy Couture - 43
Nog* - 32
Brock Lesnar - 31
Frank Mir* - 29
Shane Carwin* - 35
Cain Velasquez - 28
Junior Dos Santos - 27
Cain Velasquez - 30
Fabricio Werdum - 38*/39
Stipe Miocic - 34
Daniel Cormier - 39
Stipe Miocic - 37

Average age = 31.6

This is actually fairly interesting. I'll do the other weightclasses at a later date, I don't have the time to go through it all right now. For Werdum, I just used 38.5 and only counted him once. I thought that was the fairest way to do so, rather than counting him twice when he's the second and third oldest guy on the list.

Also, I'd like to note that this is their age when they became champions. So it's not taking into account how long they held their title or what age they were when they lost it. Although, it's HW, so none of them really held it for very long. If they were within a few months (2-3) of their next birthday, I rounded up.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

Do you think the "10 year rule" applies to every competitor in every sport, but is null and void if they're not at the top? Mousasi and Bader have both been fighting for almost 20 years and have been ranked for the majority of them. They're just not passed their primes, despite being 35 and 37, because they haven't been "at the top" for 10 years? Seems like a lack of logic and a massively generalized superstition. The age range of 31-33 has seen some of the best athletes' top performances over multiple sports, and is the most common age range for MMA champions specifically. I'll do a full list later, bro.

That's a fair point about it also applying to non-top athletes -- I guess I was mainly thinking about Fedor at that point.

As I said, there is a fair amount of variation in how long an athlete's prime lasts, just as there's a fair amount of variation on their life expectancy -- genetics and lifestyle (and I suppose especially a combination of the two) have some primes (and lives) lasting much longer than others.

You're compiling lists of actual ages, so you're probably right about the most common age being 31-33. However there's always going to be a wide variation in fighters prime ages (as I said, it'll mirror the range in life expectancies).

 

[deucesarewild]

Whoever made that video is garbage. This thread is garbage.

Nobody today would have had their precious little infrastructure already built and ready to take care of them 15 to 20 years ago. Those early-to-mid year MMA fighters were still building and refining gyms and process. You can't judge the past and say today is better when today is built on the success of the past and would be nothing without it.

Fedor is GOAT.

 

[Superman Elbow]

Whoever made that video is garbage. This thread is garbage.

Nobody today would have had their precious little infrastructure already built and ready to take care of them 15 to 20 years ago. Those early-to-mid year MMA fighters were still building and refining gyms and process. You can't judge the past and say today is better when today is built on the success of the past and would be nothing without it.

Fedor is GOAT.

If that's the case than how could a more recent fighter ever overtake an older fighter in the goat ranking? Your logic is flawed.

 

[deucesarewild]

If that's the case than how could a more recent fighter ever overtake an older fighter in the goat ranking? Your logic is flawed.

I think Fedor is GOAT, but let's separate that from my argument.

I actually don't think you can or should compare fighters that are separated from time and context. Of course there are some comparisons and arguments that make MORE sense when made. For example, that Stipe Miocic would beat Jens Pulver. Time doesn't matter here. It's just an obvious, if overexaggerated point. One can say that Stipe would be a huge favourite over Heath Herring and there is a line of thinking there. But it gets ridiculous to separate dominant champs from different eras because, first of all, they are proven at their time and that's all that matters because their context is our measurement tool.

We get too out of hand we start comparing strength and conditioning of Spartan hoplites to U.S. Marines of the same height. Like seriously? Both are conditioned.

Let's not talk about flawed logic before questions are answered. Yeah?

 

[gavetz]

Fedor gets a lot of nerd rage but mostly from the UFC fanboys and people that never watched him during his time when he was still at the Red Devil. When he converted to christianism and as he got older, he lost his lust, which was to be expected.

I bet you these folks writing that garbage didn't watch any PRIDE events live. Never watched any Fedor interviews or anything about the man. He was a small heavyweight fighting giants like Hong man Choi, Antonio Silva on roids and Semmy Schilt, fighting killer dudes at the time like Cro Cop and Kevin Randleman, demolished a bunch of UFC champions on his way past his prime and he never made any excuses for his losses and was always respectful to his opponents. I have nothing but respect for the man, as everyone claiming to be a MMA fan should.

UFC right now is a clown fiesta. Give me PRIDE any time of the day over that.