Media Fedor made mistakes in grappling that GSP or Jones would never make

[Sean_wongster_wongmastter]

Fedor is a good fighter but I don't think he's great, when he's discussed with names like Jones and GSP, we can see how he fails in comparison.

Fedor makes mistakes that Jones or GSP would never make.
There are a lot of matches where Fedor makes huge mistakes but lets look at just a few of them.

First:
Fedor vs. Silva:
Look at how easy Silva was able to get Fedor's hip and just take him down. Silva is not a great takedown artist by any means, but Fedor just fed his hips to him. Silva easily gets to half guard, then transitions to full mount.

I can't see anyone doing this to Jones or GSP, especially a guy that is known for striking and not for wrestling.

Can you imagine GSP or Jones being double legged by some striker?

Second:
Fedor vs Hendo.

Let's look at Fedor's cage work, Hendo trapped Fedor against the cage for a really long time. Fedor had no clinch game and didn't even know to pummel to get to a overunder position. He allows Hendo to keep him on the cage with double unders for a long time. Fedor just looks lost and didn't know what to do, he just threw rabbit punches at Hendo while being stuck in double unders eating knees. It was Hendo that ended up breaking the clinch to elbow Fedor.

Now, let's examine one of Fedor's most iconic moments which was actually brought about by his failed grappling.

Randleman slams Fedor with a suplex and Fedor lands on his neck no less. This wasn't an amazing feat by Randleman so much as Fedor giving up his back to stand up, doesn't drop his base, stands up fairly straight, didn't fight hands, and setup the perfect position for Randleman to just slam him.

Can any of you imagine Jones or GSP allowing someone to suplex them like this?

 

[jk7707]

Fedor is a good fighter but I don't think he's great

Your opinion doesn't matter after saying this.

 

[matrixremaster]

I don't disagree but the lack of mention of the best grappler in MMA history in this thread is a little concerning.

 

[The Hash Slinging Slasher]

Jones got taken down by Gus.

 

[acannxr]

Your opinion doesn't matter after saying this.

He's either ignorant or trolling.

 

[headmunt]

He also hit transition and submission combos that neither of them would make. What's your point? Fighters are all different and use the tools they have.

 

[Sean_wongster_wongmastter]

He tried arguing for Nogueira over Fedor today in another thread he made; it's either ignorance or trolling.

Liar.

 

[Sean_wongster_wongmastter]

He also hit transition and submission combos that neither of them would make. What's your point? Fighters are all different and use the tools they have.

You mean kimura locks on people that barely knew jiujitsu?

 

[HHJ]

I like how these haters are just like "fuuuuuck i gotta trolllllllll but he's retired...what can i dooooo...let me just randomly say bullshit"

 

[matrixremaster]

He also hit transition and submission combos that neither of them would make. What's your point? Fighters are all different and use the tools they have.

This is also true.

Fedor and especially Khabib had strengths with Sambo grappling that Jones and GSP don't.

Judo being a very integral part of that as there is a big Judo influence in Sambo.

 

[gspieler]

Yeah, I don’t recall Jones or GSP pulling moves like this off.

 

[acannxr]

Liar.

I mistook you for a different blue belt; the troll threads all look the same today.

 

[MikeyB]

Nah

Silva bullrushed him and grabbed the takedown. It happens. Kind of hard defend against a guy that big once he's surprised you and is in on your hips. This is essentially an open weight fight given the discrepancy in size.

Fedor is a judo guy, he's happy to sit with overhooks and wait on Hendo. That's what he's doing. He's not pummeling because he is expecting to get a throw off the overhook or for Dan to seperate and to box his ears. Digging an underhook and wrestling isn't Fedor's game.

As far as the Randleplex I doubt it occured to Fedor this move was a possibility. The reality is Fedor probably wasn't training with a bunch of crazy jacked western style wrestlers who could do something like that.

 

[Dirty Frank]

He takes risks like no other. Which to me makes him even greater, as he trusts in his wherewithal and will to prevail in the midst of the chaos, streak be damned.

Each GOAT candidate is unique and there is not one blueprint to greatness, Shermano

 

[pick999]

Prime for prime fedor submits anyone

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Gsp vs Hughes 1

 

[matrixremaster]

Prime for prime fedor submits anyone

Nah... Fedor could arguably outstrike GSP and Jones in their prime but even as a Sambo artist he was not submission heavy.

People aren't out there hitting armbars like it's 2006. Sub defence has come a long way.

 

[jsbx45]

Fedor is a higher level grappler than GSP or Jones ever were. People make mistakes, esp. later in their career, and Fedor always said that someday he would lose. Well, it happened but it took a long fucking time. I suspect you were in elementary school at the time TS. Calling you on a shitty hate post here with little to back your statements up with.

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[Sean_wongster_wongmastter]

Yeah, I don’t recall Jones or GSP pulling moves like this off.

Dude's a white belt though.

 

[HHJ]

Dude's a white belt though.

Yeah sure there are tons of hw's who have hip movement like that.