"Fedor fought easy competition in Japan"

[Tweak896]

Fedor didn't sign because of his management and M-1 demanding co-promotion, which is an absurd request and should get anyone making it laughed out of the room

Exactly. It's wild how the truth changes to people over time, some also denied it then and continued until now.

 

[BowserJr]

Sorry but how is Randleman an all time great? Guy was already a one dimensional relic by the time he faced Fedor, he was a crazy good athlete who had the ability to make upsets, but a lot of flaws in his games which commonly got exploited even in his hayday. Like his submission defence, getting caught by the much smaller Sakuraba, Cro Cop in the rematch, offering no resistance to Fedor after he dumped him on his head, getting keylocked of all things by Waterman, being the only guy that Shogun ever managed to get his kneebar on despite going for it almost every fight.

While he has a couple decent wins, more time than not when he faced a good fighter he lost, and it's not like BJ Penn where his .500 record can be explained by him only fighting elite opposition, half his wins are over guys with losing records and journeymen like Kazuhiro Nakamura beat him near his prime.

Pioneer of the sport, former UFC HW champ, arguably beat Bas for the belt too.

Wins over several legends/ATGs and UFC champs

 

[CutStryker]

Time to give the boys a free history lesson, as it appears that there is a lot of new Conor era UFC fans who don't know mma history.

Let's be clear, between 2000 and 2006, Pride FC was the premier mma organisation and UFC was not even close to being on the same level. That is why Dana White was trying to co-promote with Pride, so he could build UFC brand. In 2003, he took UFC's biggest star Chuck Liddell to compete in Pride Final Conflict, eventually losing to Rampage Jackson (Rampage mauled him with brutal body shots ground and pound). Dana White who was watching ride side in Tokyo, was almost in tears as he knew the UFC was in debt to the tune of tens of millions and his biggest star was dominated really bad. The corner threw in the towel to stop the violence. To date, it's probably one of the most brutal fights I've witnessed.

Pride FC was the premier product with massive production shows backed by DSE and heavily funded by Fuji and other investors. They use to do a massive pre-show event before each show and it was amazing to watch. The fights would pull huge numbers, Pride shockwave 2002 for example had over 70,000 people in attendance. At the time UFC would have around 5000-10,000 people attending per show. Big difference. The fighters were also getting paid much bigger amounts this has been confirmed by many fighters who fought in both promotions.

UFC was very close to folding with over 40m in debt and in 2005 they survived as they got a big break from TUF1. This is what saved the UFC. If they had not got the Spike deal, I doubt the UFC would have continued. UFC managed to clear their debts as the TV show fueled the PPV shows.

Few years later in 2007, Pride folded because of the yakuza scandal leading to Fuji to pull out of the TV deal, this left Pride FC in a tough spot and they sold the company to the UFC for 70 million. At the time, Fedor was the man. He was the face of mma. UFC fighters were trying to leave the UFC to get a fight with Fedor, Randy Couture and Dana had a massive battle over it. Randy wanted to leave the UFC to go fight Fedor, and Dana took legal action against Randy to stop it. Ex UFC champs Sylvia and Arlovski both went to Affliction to fight Fedor, both were KO'd.

Ok, so what happened next? In 2009 Fedor went to Strikeforce because he got a better deal with Strikeforce, it's as simple as that. Fedor talked about how Dana lied about the numbers that he came out with in public, 30m for 6 fights or whatever Dana said at the time was not true. Fedor even said that M1 co-promotion was not a requirement, but they just needed a deal that was competitive with Strikeforce and it never came.

In any case, Strikeforce had the better HW roster anyway. Strikeforce had Overeem, Barnett, Cormier, Werdum, Bigfoot, Arlovski and many others.. UFC had Lesnar, Mir, Carwin, and Velasquez.

Fedor was essentially undefeated with 31 wins with only one loss (cut which was stopped by doctor in a fight he later avenged) from 2000 - 2009 was completely unheard of at the time. Fedor was very small heavyweight but completely outclassed his opponents with his technique. This is why he was and is considered the GOAT. At the time, he had like 6 wins against former UFC champions (Today it's 9 UFC champions). So if Fedor was fighting cans, were the 6 UFC champions a bunch of cans? Ok so the UFC had a bunch of cans as champions, got it. See the flaw in your logic Conor era UFC fan boys?

Now, let's go back to Pride. I have no idea where this narrative has come from where people think that the competition in Japan was easier. I've compiled a list of Pride FC fighters, I'm sure I missed a whole heap of fighters.. but I'm just trying to make a point here that Pride had the superior fighters in the early and mid 2000s. All the big names were signed to Pride, not UFC. The UFC only surpassed Pride when it folded in 2007.

So, it's safe to say that heavyweights who stayed with the UFC were ducking Fedor by fighting easier competition in the UFC. The list below of Pride fighters is much better than the UFC had at the time.

Pride FC fighters:
Alexander Emelianenko
Alistair Overeem
Anderson Silva*
Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira
Chuck Liddell*
Dan Henderson
Don Frye
Fabrício Werdum
Fedor Emelianenko
Gary Goodridge
Gegard Mousasi
Gilbert Yvel
Hayato Sakurai
Heath Herring
Hector Lombard
Igor Vovchanchyn
James Thompson
Josh Barnett*
Josh Thomson*
Kazushi Sakuraba
Kazuyuki Fujita
Ken Shamrock*
Kevin Randleman*
Mark Coleman
Mark Hunt
Mark Kerr
Mauricio Rua
Melvin Manhoef
Mirko Filipović
Murilo Rua
Paulo Filho
Quinton Jackson
Ricardo Arona
Renato Sobral
Ricco Rodriguez*
Robbie Lawler*
Royce Gracie*
Semmy Schilt
Sergei Kharitonov
Shinya Aoki
Takanori Gomi
Valentijn Overeem
Vitor Belfort*
Wanderlei Silva

* Had fights in both UFC and Pride between 2000 - 2006.

You don’t know MMA. Easy competition?

Fedor Emelianenko MMA Fight History - ESPN

Get the full fight history of Heavyweight MMA fighter Fedor Emelianenko. Includes information on opponents, fight results and event details.

www.espn.com

Too many names to write down, click the link, look at the names. One thing just for example..Tim Sylvia. Pretty much Timmy wasn’t anyone at that time but look how quick and the skills he put him away with! I’m done here, you don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s in your best interest not to respond to me.

 

[forsh]

Most of the Fedor haters are Canadians that worship GSP and hold little religious ceremonies for him Canada.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Saying Fedor was physically disadvantaged against every opponent he fought is insanity...athleticism is literally one of Fedor's biggest attributes. How can anyone watch his fight against Nogueira and not see that his physical abilities was one of the biggest reasons why he beat the shit out of Nogueira lmao.

Fedor is fast, explosive, and hits hard.

"yeah, but hes not as tall as Nogueira!".

 

[volcom5]

Blatant liar projecting against calling others liars while blatantly lying.

Sure, sure. Except I don’t have history of thst you do,

Busta went to Pride as UFC champ, gave prime Hendo all he could handle in the rematch. Definitely not past prime.

Bustamante was ancient when he went to Pride, him being a champion sounds all good and all, but MW in the UFC was just recently created. Bustamante had promise, he started late and didn’t have much left.

Chuck was on a sick run. Widely considered the uncrowned UFC champ with Tito ducking him. Only recent loss at the time was to actual champion Randy who came down from HW. Chuck was definitely not past prime

You actually took my sarcasm serious? It was a dig at you, because you pick and choose a fighters prime. Just the other day you said Okami ans Marquardt were not in their primes when clearly anyone with two eyes could see that they were at fighting at their best.

Arlovski was on his best win streak going into their fight. Absolute peak.

Tim was not peak but still near prime, fresh off ufc title fight.

These two comments were tounge in cheek. On my end.

Fedors size

Typically weighed in at 230 at 6ft tall

In PrideFC Japan, when he was fighting there the lowest he weight was 233lbs.
Lowest he’s weigh ever was 223 in the states, vs Henderson in their fight, which was set to be a “catch weight” of 220 according to MMA outlets but then changed to HW.

Only opponent in his prime who was shorter and weighed less was Randleman who was roided out.

Um….yes, Randleman was shorter and weight less, 228 to Fedors 237lbs, 9lbs difference with a 2” height difference and 70” reach, but we know height isnt the end all be all in fighting. And Wow! A 2” inch height advantage for Fedor over Randleman, such a giant difference….Lol.

Everyone else was taller
Crocop weighed decently less

Let’s see, Fedor was 6’ 233lbs with a 76” reach to Cro Cops 6’2 225lbs and 73” reach.

Everyone else was within just a few lbs if they actually weighed less

Lol stop it. Fedor was 237lbs vs Noguiera who was 229lbs 6’3 with a 77” a 1”reach advantage. A 8lb difference…..if you say CroCop was decently weight less with a 8lb difference vs Fedor then Noguiera weight decently less vs Fedor in the first title fight, Noguiera was 227 to Fedors 233 in their second bout. 3” height and a 1” Advantsge over Fedor.

But literally everyone else was taller and or had a reach advantage.

You’re putting all eggs on this? let’s see some sizes of his opponents who were notable and accomplished in MMA, when they fought.

These were wins over great MMA fighters who Fedor was BIGGER than.
Arona 5’11, 200lbs 73” to Fedors 233lbs and 76”
Sobral 6’1 229lbs 72” To Fedors 226lbs 76”
Coleman 6’1 232lbs 75” to Fedors 237lbs 76” both weigh 224 in their 2nd bout.
Randleman 5’10 228lbs 70” to Fedors 237lbs 76”
Lindland 6’0 212lbs 74” to Fedors 230lbs 76”
Sonnen 6’1 227lbs 74” to Fedors 236 76”
CroCop 6’2 225lbs 73” to Fedors 233 76”
Jeff Monson 5’9 238lbs 71” to Fedors 238 76”

Smaller opponents who Fedor lost to
Dan Henderson 5’11 207 74” to 223 76”
Ryan Bader 6’2 223(1) 234(2nd)74” to 237(1) 236(2)76”
Fabio Maldonado 6’1 230 75” to 233 76”

Wins over great, proven MMA Fighters who was “bigger” than Fedor
Noguiera 6’3 229(1)227(2) 77” to Fedors 237(1)233(2) 76”
Arlovski 6’3 237lbs 77” to Fedors 230lbs 76”
Rampage Jackson 6’1 265 73” to Fedors 240lbs 76” (shouldn’t be considered Rsmpage being “bigger” but yet here we are with fat rampage.
Pedro Rizzo 6’1 244 77” to Fedors 235 76”
Mark Hunt (was hesistent to put him as he didn’t really accomplish much in MMA) 5’10 290lbs 72” to 233” 76”

Wins over really BIGGER proven elite MMA fighters.
Schilt 6’11 265lbs 88” to Fedors 233lbs 76”
Sylvia 6’8 263lbs 80” to Fedors 230lbs 76”
Frank Mir 6’3 261 80” to Fedors 240lbs 76”
Heath Herring 6’4 250lbs 78” to 237lbs 76”

Bigger proven MMA fighters who Fedor lost to.
Fabricio Werdum 6’4 238lbs 77” to 229lbs 76”
Antonio Silva 6’4 264lbs 82” 230lbs 76”
Matt Mitrione(not really elite but he did okay in MMA) 6’3 256 80” to 236” 76”

Rest of his opppnenets were a mix match of sizes with a significant skill and exp disadvantage in MMA.

Fedor literally fought with a physical disadvantage against everyone except Randleman and Arona both of which are ATG.

See above as clearly you’re full of shit.

Every single MMA fighter let alone Champions has literally fought opponents varying in sizes from a few inches in height, reach and varying weights on fight night. You’re making it out to be like Fedor Emelianenko is the ONLY MMA FIGHTER to have ever had fought with a “physical disadvantage” Lol, what a joke. The problem here is you want portray all of Fedors opps as the size of Tim Sylvia or Hong Man Choi(Lol) or the weight discrepancy of Hunt, when in reality Fedor fought on average 2” inches in height and reach variance and about 6-8lbs differences, where Fedor at most had longer reach and weight more. With a few fight he truly gave up a physical disadvantage to like Schilts, Sylvia, Mir, Herring, Silva and Mitrione where Height, Reach and weight were significant.

Fedors biggest size and physical disadvantage was a circus bout MMA in Hong Man Choi, the same Choi who was subbed by Minowa & Choi was getting worked in kickboxing by a manlet. Choi’s accomplishments in MMA prior to fighting Fedor was beating a comedian and a former MLB player, I don’t count this as a great win, it was a joke a circus bout is properly app as that is what we called it back then, nowadays you call it a elite win. Lol.

Anyone can google and verify that everything I said was fact.

Holy shit, Lol. You really said this?

Now please oh please respond with more lies and projections to hype up your beloved UFC

Okay.

 

[Hog-train]

Pride had the much better HW division in his prime era and he also wound up finishing the two marquee UFC heavyweights of the time in Sylvia and Arlovski. He was also supposed to fight Barnett and couldn't through no fault of his own.

Pride had a much better every weight division than the UFC at the time.

 

[AndrewGolota48]

Pride had a much better every weight division than the UFC at the time.

It's a bit awkward because the lower weight divisions had different limits but I think that's much more arguable, UFC had Matt Hughes, BJ Penn, GSP....

 

[Vehap1]

UFC had Lesnar as the UFC champion. Overeem who was a B level fighter in Pride, managed to dispatch the UFC champ with a single knee to the body. UFC heavyweight division was funny.

Overeem was litterally unbeatable when he was on anabolic steroids.
I get it, you are a small man who never done steroids yourself so you cant see the difference
You probably think Jon is the GOAT because steroids does nothing to the human body, am I right?

 

[BowserJr]

Sure, sure. Except I don’t have history of thst you do,

Bustamante was ancient when he went to Pride, him being a champion sounds all good and all, but MW in the UFC was just recently created. Bustamante had promise, he started late and didn’t have much left.

You actually took my sarcasm serious? It was a dig at you, because you pick and choose a fighters prime. Just the other day you said Okami ans Marquardt were not in their primes when clearly anyone with two eyes could see that they were at fighting at their best.



These two comments were tounge in cheek. On my end.

In PrideFC Japan, when he was fighting there the lowest he weight was 233lbs.
Lowest he’s weigh ever was 223 in the states, vs Henderson in their fight, which was set to be a “catch weight” of 220 according to MMA outlets but then changed to HW.

Um….yes, Randleman was shorter and weight less, 228 to Fedors 237lbs, 9lbs difference with a 2” height difference and 70” reach, but we know height isnt the end all be all in fighting. And Wow! A 2” inch height advantage for Fedor over Randleman, such a giant difference….Lol.

Let’s see, Fedor was 6’ 233lbs with a 76” reach to Cro Cops 6’2 225lbs and 73” reach.

Lol stop it. Fedor was 237lbs vs Noguiera who was 229lbs 6’3 with a 77” a 1”reach advantage. A 8lb difference…..if you say CroCop was decently weight less with a 8lb difference vs Fedor then Noguiera weight decently less vs Fedor in the first title fight, Noguiera was 227 to Fedors 233 in their second bout. 3” height and a 1” Advantsge over Fedor.

You’re putting all eggs on this? let’s see some sizes of his opponents who were notable and accomplished in MMA, when they fought.

These were wins over great MMA fighters who Fedor was BIGGER than.
Arona 5’11, 200lbs 73” to Fedors 233lbs and 76”
Sobral 6’1 229lbs 72” To Fedors 226lbs 76”
Coleman 6’1 232lbs 75” to Fedors 237lbs 76” both weigh 224 in their 2nd bout.
Randleman 5’10 228lbs 70” to Fedors 237lbs 76”
Lindland 6’0 212lbs 74” to Fedors 230lbs 76”
Sonnen 6’1 227lbs 74” to Fedors 236 76”
CroCop 6’2 225lbs 73” to Fedors 233 76”
Jeff Monson 5’9 238lbs 71” to Fedors 238 76”

Smaller opponents who Fedor lost to
Dan Henderson 5’11 207 74” to 223 76”
Ryan Bader 6’2 223(1) 234(2nd)74” to 237(1) 236(2)76”
Fabio Maldonado 6’1 230 75” to 233 76”

Wins over great, proven MMA Fighters who was “bigger” than Fedor
Noguiera 6’3 229(1)227(2) 77” to Fedors 237(1)233(2) 76”
Arlovski 6’3 237lbs 77” to Fedors 230lbs 76”
Rampage Jackson 6’1 265 73” to Fedors 240lbs 76” (shouldn’t be considered Rsmpage being “bigger” but yet here we are with fat rampage.
Pedro Rizzo 6’1 244 77” to Fedors 235 76”
Mark Hunt (was hesistent to put him as he didn’t really accomplish much in MMA) 5’10 290lbs 72” to 233” 76”

Wins over really BIGGER proven elite MMA fighters.
Schilt 6’11 265lbs 88” to Fedors 233lbs 76”
Sylvia 6’8 263lbs 80” to Fedors 230lbs 76”
Frank Mir 6’3 261 80” to Fedors 240lbs 76”
Heath Herring 6’4 250lbs 78” to 237lbs 76”

Bigger proven MMA fighters who Fedor lost to.
Fabricio Werdum 6’4 238lbs 77” to 229lbs 76”
Antonio Silva 6’4 264lbs 82” 230lbs 76”
Matt Mitrione(not really elite but he did okay in MMA) 6’3 256 80” to 236” 76”

Rest of his opppnenets were a mix match of sizes with a significant skill and exp disadvantage in MMA.


See above as clearly you’re full of shit.

Every single MMA fighter let alone Champions has literally fought opponents varying in sizes from a few inches in height, reach and varying weights on fight night. You’re making it out to be like Fedor Emelianenko is the ONLY MMA FIGHTER to have ever had fought with a “physical disadvantage” Lol, what a joke. The problem here is you want portray all of Fedors opps as the size of Tim Sylvia or Hong Man Choi(Lol) or the weight discrepancy of Hunt, when in reality Fedor fought on average 2” inches in height and reach variance and about 6-8lbs differences, where Fedor at most had longer reach and weight more. With a few fight he truly gave up a physical disadvantage to like Schilts, Sylvia, Mir, Herring, Silva and Mitrione where Height, Reach and weight were significant.

Fedors biggest size and physical disadvantage was a circus bout MMA in Hong Man Choi, the same Choi who was subbed by Minowa & Choi was getting worked in kickboxing by a manlet. Choi’s accomplishments in MMA prior to fighting Fedor was beating a comedian and a former MLB player, I don’t count this as a great win, it was a joke a circus bout is properly app as that is what we called it back then, nowadays you call it a elite win. Lol.

Holy shit, Lol. You really said this?

Okay.

The cope and delusion here is hilarious!

You literally listed Fedor as the larger fighter vs guys that were taller and heavier.

You should probably go back and edit your post to try and save face

 

[volcom5]

The cope and delusion here is hilarious!

You literally listed Fedor as the larger fighter vs guys that were taller and heavier.

You should probably go back and edit your post to try and save face

Yea….whats what I thought, somehere cant read. A Fedor “fan” like you, is a good indicator of why many people here believe Fedor isnt the GOAT. The constant lies is absurd.

 

[joy2day]

lol @ people making efforts like this.

Fedor is the SHIT

We who KNOW dont need to prove shit to no one.

People who dont worship and embrace FEDORISM are banished to the outer darkness to dwell in crippling mediocrity for eternity. Dont waste your breath on these... mendicants.

I mean obviously, right?

How can you have any respect for a Fedor-disrespecting human being?

If your spouse tries to say Fedor isn't the shit, divorce them.

Friends and family that don't respect Fedor should be disowned and removed from Xmas and reunion lists. Total losers.

 

[BowserJr]

Yea….whats what I thought, somehere cant read. A Fedor “fan” like you, is a good indicator of why many people here believe Fedor isnt the GOAT. The constant lies is absurd.

Guess I got your panties in a twist again because I again made a fool of you.

You literally have 6'1 229lbs as smallerr than 6' 226lbs

 

[volcom5]

Guess I got your panties in a twist again because I again made a fool of you.

You literally have 6'1 229lbs as smallerr than 6' 226lbs

Oh no! I put in the wrong place, OMG what will I do now? Edit it? Nah screw that, I’ll just leave it.

Thanks for ignoring everything else though.

 

[McSpikes]

Fedor will forever be remembered simply as “that dude that Bigfoot smashed”

 

[KO Shotz]

 

[BowserJr]

Oh no! I put in the wrong place, OMG what will I do now? Edit it? Nah screw that, I’ll just leave it.

Thanks for ignoring everything else though.

Ya obviously you dont know how size work either due to ignorance, either willful or legitimate, either way your taking such a stance requires no further debate. Thank you for posting the height and weight BTW. Thank you for helping prove my point.

Because here's the kicker. Fedors reach is 74. Meaning again reach disadvantage in nearly every fight, on top of height disadvantage and often a weight disadvantage. Oh and Nogs reach is 78.

Clearly your again just lying, trying to gas lighting or straight delusional.

Like I said anyone can google it and verify.

Now please come back so I can more knowledge on you... and try not to get to flustered

 

[volcom5]

Ya obviously you dont know how size work either due to ignorance, either willful or legitimate, either way your taking such a stance requires no further debate. Thank you for posting the height and weight BTW. Thank you for helping prove my point.

That’s what I thougt

Because here's the kicker. Fedors reach is 74. Meaning again reach disadvantage in nearly every fight, on top of height disadvantage and often a weight disadvantage. Oh and Nogs reach is 78.

Oh yea? 74. 74.5 76”. Guess what? his reach is listed at 76” more often than not via tale of tapes in his US bouts in Bellator. Same as Noguiera 77” more often than not. You’re going to trust Wikipedia? Where some randos are able to edit it? Nice. Instead of the likes of Bellator ran by the great Scott Coker, a man like Coker with much integrity wouldnt let something like that fly right?

Clearly you’re again just lying, trying to gas lighting or straight delusional.

Like I said anyone can google it and verify.

I did and I found out your full shit, Randleman and Arona were only the smallest Fighters he fought, yea. Nope.

Now please come back so I can more knowledge on you... and try not to get to flustered

Sure. Im shivering.

 

[BowserJr]

That’s what I thougt

Oh yea? 74. 74.5 76”. Guess what? his reach is listed at 76” more often than not via tale of tapes in his US bouts in Bellator. Same as Noguiera 77” more often than not. You’re going to trust Wikipedia? Where some randos are able to edit it? Nice. Instead of the likes of Bellator ran by the great Scott Coker, a man like Coker with much integrity wouldnt let something like that fly right?

I did and I found out your full shit, Randleman and Arona were only the smallest Fighters he fought, yea. Nope.

Sure. Im shivering.

Wiki isn't the only source DZN, Bleacher report, UFC.

Many fighters who fought him or met him even say he's probably 5'10 even but I wont go with hear say.

Anyways like I said anyone can google and see your full of

 

[volcom5]

Wiki isn't the only source DZN, Bleacher report, UFC.

Lol, at DAZN, Bleacher report & UFC, UFC the org he never fought in laid a foot in the cage, never went through the physicals in the UFC, the org with the strictest drug testing and somehow they know Fedors height and reach? Lol, what are we doing here.

No, Not Bellator, the last org in the US he fought in, you the last bouts of his career, the org he spent the last 7 years and 7 bouts of his career under actual athletic commissions, surely they would say his reach is 74, right?…right?

Many fighters who fought him or met him even say he's probably 5'10 even but I wont go with hear say.

Yea, okay. Lol.

Anyways like I said anyone can google and see your full of

This is nice, all you’re doing is exposing yourself into what i called you earlier, a dishonest lieing Fedor “fan”. No other Fedor fans are like you, except maybe 1-2, for all we know they’re your alt accounts.