"Fedor fought easy competition in Japan"

Yet Fedor still got KO'ed by a old middleweight two weight classes below him ( Hendo ) got KO'ed by a can ( Bigfoot ) got subbed easily by Werdum. KO'ed by Mitrione. Destroyed by Bader two times. Also Fedor was a can crusher.

Fedor is overrated. Come at me Fedor nut huggers.
 
Fedor defended his championship less than once a year. Not all the non-title fights were freak-show fights, but most of them weren't against then-currently-high-level fighters either, and none of them, even including the title defenses, were against HWs with a solid mix of MMA grappling and striking skills.
This is the cliffs until his first retirement:

2000 - Arona
2001 - Babalu
2002 - Schilt, Herring
2003 - Nog
2004 - Coleman, Randleman, Nog 2x
2005 - Cro Cop
2006 - Coleman, Hunt
2007 - Booked to fight Randy, who withdrew. Fought Lindland as a last minute replacement.
2008 - Sylvia, booked to fight Barnett but Barnett pissed hot
2009 - Arlovski, Rogers
2010 - Werdum
2011 - Bigfoot, Hendo, Munson
2012 - Rizzo

Plus like a dozen mid-tier guys, a few "freak show fight", in that span.
 
Time to give the boys a free history lesson, as it appears that there is a lot of new Conor era UFC fans who don't know mma history.

Let's be clear, between 2000 and 2006, Pride FC was the premier mma organisation and UFC was not even close to being on the same level.

Exactly
 
Werdume and Bader are the only legit losses, the others were controversial. Early stoppage, bleed stoppage etc. Both Bader and Werdum are the most underrated and overlooked fighters and stylistically a bad match for Fedor. He would have still lost even in his prime to these guys.Werdume would could have won in any fashion, Bader would have grapplefested him. But in all honesty, this is Fedor we are talking about, "he can do whatever he wants" and still find a way to win. Id have love to see Randy but Fedor would have overwealmed Randy with power shots.
 
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chris haseman (20-17)
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yet another "fedor was the goat for beating up bloated middleweights and sub 230lbs cruiserweight is loserweights like 220 lbs cro cop and 225lbs not so big nog in japan" thread

...size matters. I will never have faith in any heavyweight south of 230 lbs unless the opponent is.. also south of 230 lbs. Bigfoot just plooked fedor using 100% size over skill. It was textbook weight bullying

goats don't become gatekeeper crushers by age 30, especially at heavyweight. If he was as great as they said he wouldn't be getting cut from zuffa's strikeforce for going 1-3 at an age when a heavyweight shudda been still in their prime. He was maybe still in his prime when strikeforce shitcanned him for failing. He just took a step up in competition and couldn't hang
 
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Eye roll. Why do you Fedor people have to have everyone agree with you guys. Haven’t you guys made enough polls? Haven’t there been enough threads? Defending this guys honor constantly like he’s your fucking grandma.

Hey why isn’t Hong Man Choi on that list.
Hey, running man, why don't you go back to the other thread and list the kickboxers Choi beat?
 
Time to give the boys a free history lesson, as it appears that there is a lot of new Conor era UFC fans who don't know mma history.

Let's be clear, between 2000 and 2006, Pride FC was the premier mma organisation and UFC was not even close to being on the same level. That is why Dana White was trying to co-promote with Pride, so he could build UFC brand. In 2003, he took UFC's biggest star Chuck Liddell to compete in Pride Final Conflict, eventually losing to Rampage Jackson (Rampage mauled him with brutal body shots ground and pound). Dana White who was watching ride side in Tokyo, was almost in tears as he knew the UFC was in debt to the tune of tens of millions and his biggest star was dominated really bad. The corner threw in the towel to stop the violence. To date, it's probably one of the most brutal fights I've witnessed.

Pride FC was the premier product with massive production shows backed by DSE and heavily funded by Fuji and other investors. They use to do a massive pre-show event before each show and it was amazing to watch. The fights would pull huge numbers, Pride shockwave 2002 for example had over 70,000 people in attendance. At the time UFC would have around 5000-10,000 people attending per show. Big difference. The fighters were also getting paid much bigger amounts this has been confirmed by many fighters who fought in both promotions.

UFC was very close to folding with over 40m in debt and in 2005 they survived as they got a big break from TUF1. This is what saved the UFC. If they had not got the Spike deal, I doubt the UFC would have continued. UFC managed to clear their debts as the TV show fueled the PPV shows.

Few years later in 2007, Pride folded because of the yakuza scandal leading to Fuji to pull out of the TV deal, this left Pride FC in a tough spot and they sold the company to the UFC for 70 million. At the time, Fedor was the man. He was the face of mma. UFC fighters were trying to leave the UFC to get a fight with Fedor, Randy Couture and Dana had a massive battle over it. Randy wanted to leave the UFC to go fight Fedor, and Dana took legal action against Randy to stop it. Ex UFC champs Sylvia and Arlovski both went to Affliction to fight Fedor, both were KO'd.

Ok, so what happened next? In 2009 Fedor went to Strikeforce because he got a better deal with Strikeforce, it's as simple as that. Fedor talked about how Dana lied about the numbers that he came out with in public, 30m for 6 fights or whatever Dana said at the time was not true. Fedor even said that M1 co-promotion was not a requirement, but they just needed a deal that was competitive with Strikeforce and it never came.

In any case, Strikeforce had the better HW roster anyway. Strikeforce had Overeem, Barnett, Cormier, Werdum, Bigfoot, Arlovski and many others.. UFC had Lesnar, Mir, Carwin, and Velasquez.

Fedor was essentially undefeated with 31 wins with only one loss (cut which was stopped by doctor in a fight he later avenged) from 2000 - 2009 was completely unheard of at the time. Fedor was very small heavyweight but completely outclassed his opponents with his technique. This is why he was and is considered the GOAT. At the time, he had like 6 wins against former UFC champions (Today it's 9 UFC champions). So if Fedor was fighting cans, were the 6 UFC champions a bunch of cans? Ok so the UFC had a bunch of cans as champions, got it. See the flaw in your logic Conor era UFC fan boys?

Now, let's go back to Pride. I have no idea where this narrative has come from where people think that the competition in Japan was easier. I've compiled a list of Pride FC fighters, I'm sure I missed a whole heap of fighters.. but I'm just trying to make a point here that Pride had the superior fighters in the early and mid 2000s. All the big names were signed to Pride, not UFC. The UFC only surpassed Pride when it folded in 2007.

So, it's safe to say that heavyweights who stayed with the UFC were ducking Fedor by fighting easier competition in the UFC. The list below of Pride fighters is much better than the UFC had at the time.

Pride FC fighters:
Alexander Emelianenko
Alistair Overeem
Anderson Silva*
Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira
Chuck Liddell*
Dan Henderson
Don Frye
Fabrício Werdum
Fedor Emelianenko
Gary Goodridge
Gegard Mousasi
Gilbert Yvel
Hayato Sakurai
Heath Herring
Hector Lombard
Igor Vovchanchyn
James Thompson
Josh Barnett*
Josh Thomson*
Kazushi Sakuraba
Kazuyuki Fujita
Ken Shamrock*
Kevin Randleman*
Mark Coleman
Mark Hunt
Mark Kerr
Mauricio Rua
Melvin Manhoef
Mirko Filipović
Murilo Rua
Paulo Filho
Quinton Jackson
Ricardo Arona
Renato Sobral
Ricco Rodriguez*
Robbie Lawler*
Royce Gracie*
Semmy Schilt
Sergei Kharitonov
Shinya Aoki
Takanori Gomi
Valentijn Overeem
Vitor Belfort*
Wanderlei Silva

* Had fights in both UFC and Pride between 2000 - 2006.
Missed a few points

Other top UFC fighters aside from Chuck went to Pride and got beat.

Also Fedor went to Affliction 1st and beat the best version of Arlovski and near peak Tim. The 2 top UFC HW when Pride was around.

Fedor was the best of the best while giving up reach and size to nearly everyone
 
Fedor was incredible and has a case for #1 HW ever. GOAT is a reach imo with GSP and Jones around purely based off of resume.

You always hear about all the champs Fedor beat however it's with little context they were all ex champions and most far removed from the UFC title by the time they fought Fedor, Big Tim's only win in his previous 3 fights was hugging Brandon Vera in his last ever HW fight and winning a horrible boring decision 2-1. No hate but context is important.

Nog and Cro Cop are phenomenal wins and are holding up his place stop of the HW mountain right now but in my mind there is a huge drop off after his 3rd best win "AA* you end up listing Coleman, Herring, Big Tim etc... after those big 3 and it's just not GOAT Worthy in my mind.

He starting losing at 33 which is very young for HW, This fact is the most overlooked by pride die hards.

Yes I watched pride events live HOWEVER not all of them, more towards the end of Pride.
 
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Werdume and Bader are the only legit losses, the others were controversial. Early stoppage, bleed stoppage etc. Both Bader and Werdum are the most underrated and overlooked fighters and stylistically a bad match for Fedor. He would have still lost even in his prime to these guys.Werdume would could have won in any fashion, Bader would have grapplefested him. But in all honesty, this is Fedor we are talking about, "he can do whatever he wants" and still find a way to win. Id have love to see Randy but Fedor would have overwealmed Randy with power shots.
What was controversial about Bigfoot or Hendo fights? Even if the Bigfoot fight was not stopped, Fedor would still lose badly. The Maldonado fight is the most questionable fight.

Both losses to Bader were really bad. Rumble, Glover and very high mileage Tito destroyed Bader.
 
Beat prime Crocop and Big Nog. Enough said.
 
Missed a few points

Other top UFC fighters aside from Chuck went to Pride and got beat.
Bustsmante was out of his prime, as was every UFC fighter who got beat,
Also Fedor went to Affliction 1st and beat the best version of Arlovski and near peak Tim. The 2 top UFC HW when Pride was around.
Nice cope, defeats the former champions, ducks the actual champion. Sylvia and Arlovski were out of their primes.
Fedor was the best of the best while giving up reach and size to nearly everyone
thats a blatant lie, Fedor was bigger than Noguiera, Crocop, Randleman, Coleman, Arona, Sobral And these are fighters off the top of head who were actually good fighters.

Schilt, Arlovski, Sylvia were he only notable elite fighters who he beat who were bigger than him.

Mitrione, Werdum & Silva were fighters who were bigger than him thst he lost to

These are off the top of my head p, btw.

Rest of wins were a mix match of sizes but a significant skill disadvantage and exp disadvantage.

You’re the biggest Fedor “fan” who lies and is very dishonest the most on this site. Most of the people in this thread are honest Fedor fans, they are honest with Fedors career and are pretty content with it, unlike you who adds his 2 cents of dishonesty.
 
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The Babyfaced Assassin would have beat him :)
Any heavyweight marginally better than gay groper Brett Rogers or Pedro Rizzo'2012 would beat him. That's why he preferred middleweights. But it turned out that a 40-year old middleweight can also beat him.
 
Bustsmante was out of his prime, as was every UFC fighter who got beat,

Nice cope, defeats the former champions, ducks the actual champion. Sylvia and Arlovski were out of their primes.

thats a blatant lie, Fedor was bigger than Noguiera, Crocop, Randleman, Coleman, Arona, Sobral And these are fighters off the top of head who were actually good fighters.

Schilt, Arlovski, Sylvia were he only notable elite fighters who he beat who were bigger than him.

Mitrione, Werdum & Silva were fighters who were bigger than him thst he lost to

These are off the top of my head p, btw.

Rest of wins were a mix match of sizes but a significant skill disadvantage and exp disadvantage.

You’re the biggest Fedor “fan” who lies and is very dishonest the most on this site. Most of the people in this thread are honest Fedor fans, they are honest with Fedors career and are pretty content with it, unlike you who adds his 2 cents of dishonesty.
Blatant liar projecting against calling others liars while blatantly lying.

Busta went to Pride as UFC champ, gave prime Hendo all he could handle in the rematch. Definitely not past prime.

Chuck was on a sick run. Widely considered the uncrowned UFC champ with Tito ducking him. Only recent loss at the time was to actual champion Randy who came down from HW. Chuck was definitely not past prime

Arlovski was on his best win streak going into their fight. Absolute peak.

Tim was not peak but still near prime, fresh off ufc title fight.

Fedors size

Typically weighed in at 230 at 6ft tall

Only opponent in his prime who was shorter and weighed less was Randleman who was roided out.

Everyone else was taller
Crocop weighed decently less

Everyone else was within just a few lbs if they actually weighed less

But literally everyone else was taller and or had a reach advantage.

Fedor literally fought with a physical disadvantage against everyone except Randleman and Arona both of which are ATG.

Anyone can google and verify that everything I said was fact.

Now please oh please respond with more lies and projections to hype up your beloved UFC
 
Eye roll. Why do you Fedor people have to have everyone agree with you guys. Haven’t you guys made enough polls? Haven’t there been enough threads? Defending this guys honor constantly like he’s your fucking grandma.

Hey why isn’t Hong Man Choi on that list.

Fedor represents sherdog millennial refusing to let go of their prime age.

statements that expose such usually say "age is only a number"
"men can prime in their 40s"

"women like older men"

i defended fedor this week but he is the millennial darling that triggers a primal and vicarious response.

its a very delicate territory to tread here.

either way fedor is awesome.
 
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Fedor literally fought with a physical disadvantage against everyone except Randleman and Arona both of which are ATG.
Sorry but how is Randleman an all time great? Guy was already a one dimensional relic by the time he faced Fedor, he was a crazy good athlete who had the ability to make upsets, but a lot of flaws in his games which commonly got exploited even in his hayday. Like his submission defence, getting caught by the much smaller Sakuraba, Cro Cop in the rematch, offering no resistance to Fedor after he dumped him on his head, getting keylocked of all things by Waterman, being the only guy that Shogun ever managed to get his kneebar on despite going for it almost every fight.

While he has a couple decent wins, more time than not when he faced a good fighter he lost, and it's not like BJ Penn where his .500 record can be explained by him only fighting elite opposition, half his wins are over guys with losing records and journeymen like Kazuhiro Nakamura beat him near his prime.
 
As simply as possible:

Fedor fought a bunch of cans [x]
Fedor dominated the deepest talent pool in the history of HW mma [x]


He had 33 fights in the 2000s.
3.3 fights per year

For the most part it would average out to:
2 elite opponents and 1 freak show fight.

He was a freakishly talented fighter with a skillet which was more well rounded than his competition at the time.

He was not without his flaws and after a decade of pure dominance, some of the quirks in his game which his athleticism allowed him to get away with in his 20s caught up with him. He began head hunting during his strikeforce run, which he initially had tremendous success with, scoring highlight reel.KOs of Arlovski and Brett Rogers.

People make a big deal about him falling off at 33.5 years old but he was also in his 34th professional MMA fight at that point, in addition to 12 years of combat sambo with 7 Russian titles and 4 world titles. He only lost 1x in combat sambo which I am aware of and every one of those 7 national tournaments and 4 world championships was a 12-16+ fighter bracket. I can not find an exact number but if we average that out at 3.5 wins per tourney and 11 tournaments that is roughly a 40-1 combat sambo record while simultaneously going 31-*1-1 in MMA. So give or take his combat sports record was about 72-2-1 before he "fell off" and lost 3 fights.

* basically undefeated in mma thru 33 fights as his lone loss came from a cut from an (accidental) elbow which was technically not a legal strike in that bout, and he avenged that loss via dominant stoppage.
 
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