Media Fedor Emelianenko Resumé Review

BFoe said:
I don’t know if you saw (or even cared lol) about the Fedor-Bader breakdown thread I did, but I addressed it there. The GIF I used comes from this video, from multiple time kickboxing champ Gabriel Varga.

The strike is called a corkscrew hook.


What causes the confusion is that with a corkscrew hook, one turns over the wrist as the hook is thrown, so the arm can sometimes be almost straight when it lands—but it’s not thrown straight out from the chest like a jab. Because it’s not a jab. It’s a sort of whipping hook actually, called a corkscrew hook.
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icemun said:
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I’m well aware that you just hang out and troll and don’t really want the answers to your question.

Bader’s punch was not thrown with a straight trajectory. It arcs, because it’s a hook. As mentioned, the arm throwing it can end up almost straight because the wrist turns over. You’re taking a still frame of that moment and pretending that was the trajectory of the strike, when it was not.
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Anyway, your question has been answered and you’re welcome for the free lesson!
 
Trabaho said:
Was Fedor out of his prime when he dropped 3 straight in Strike force ? Why did fans say he was put of his prime after he lost not before, before they said he is the goat and nobody will beat him, he will destroy Werdoom. Is a fighter out of their prime at age 33/34.
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Fedor was in his prime during the 3 fight losing streak. There was no major injuries or career ending stuff or life threatening stuff. Nog was also in his prime when he lost to Mir the first time. Nog was also always a terrible striker and poor wrestler.

Also Fedor fans back then if you search on here never said he sucked or was out of prime when he was set to face Werdum. The worst critiques you saw was that Fedors striking regressed since Rodgers busted up his nose but the masses explained it by saying that it was a fluke shot. In fact people were saying Werdum was out of prime due to the JDS loss and Arlovski decision loss and that Big Foot would gas and cang support 290lbs if weight. That Hendo is out of prime and too old and would get KOd. Also Hendo and Werdum had major injuries in their career by this point and Hendo ceased wrestling.
 
BFoe said:
I’m well aware that you just hang out and troll and don’t really want the answers to your question.

Bader’s punch was not thrown with a straight trajectory. It arcs, because it’s a hook. As mentioned, the arm throwing it can end up almost straight because the wrist turns over. You’re taking a still frame of that moment and pretending that was the trajectory of the strike, when it was not.
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Anyway, your question has been answered and you’re welcome for the free lesson!
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Thanks for the gif

Yep, thats a jab

Albeit a very sloppy one with bizarre footwork

He slept him with a jab thus finishing the fight within seconds.
 
Trabaho said:
Was Fedor out of his prime when he dropped 3 straight in Strike force ? Why did fans say he was put of his prime after he lost not before, before they said he is the goat and nobody will beat him, he will destroy Werdoom. Is a fighter out of their prime at age 33/34.
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Fedor became world champion in 2003 and lost in Strikeforce in 2011 when he was 33-34

Gustaffson is 0-4 since turning 32 and retired.

Cain is 1-3 since turning 33 and retired.

JDS is 3-5 with all losses by KO since turning 33.

Rashad Evans is 1-6 since turning 32 and retired.

GSP retired at 32.

Conor was washed up by 33.

Sugar Ray Leonard never won another fight after turning 33

We're all these guys in their prime at 33? Or just Fedor? Or are you a clown?
 
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Most posters on Sherdog have never trained, have never sparred and have never fought. This is why most of them don't even understand the mechanics of punching and grappling and thus they will refer to a lead hook or a check hook as a jab because they're so busy trying to discredit Fedor that they don't even realize they're exposing themselves as a noob.

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If you knew what a jab was you would understand that a fighter doesn't bend his elbow when throwing a jab. Also when a figntet throws a jab he doesn't follow through with his elbow bent, instead the fighter brings the jab back to his guard position in a straight line.

Bader hit King Mo and Fedor with the same exact punch. Elbow bent in both sequences before throwing and elbow bent after throwing. This is why Fedors chin turned to the left after getting hit- following the trajectory of Baders follow through, if it was a jab Fedors head would have popped straight back instead of turning with the direction of Baders punch. It's amazing that this even has to be explained.

This forum is a clownshow.
 
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BFoe said:
How was Werdum NOT in prime when he lost to Nog? He was like 29 years old, had been fighting pro for 4+ years, was 10 fights into his career. Werdum was in his prime.
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Werdum was 29 and in the top 10.
 
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Fun Fact: Hendo, Bader, and Maldonado have a combined zero ko's against HWs not named Fedor.

Yea, Fedor's beating JDS, Cain, Stipe, Francis, DC, Blaydes, Brock, Gane stc



Keep dreamin boys
 
Trabaho said:
Was Fedor out of his prime when he dropped 3 straight in Strike force ? Why did fans say he was out of his prime after he lost not before, before they said he is the goat and nobody will beat him, he will destroy Werdum. Is a fighter out of their prime at age 33/34.
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the better question is how in the hell you can still not know that fedors trainer said fedor had lost a step BEFORE the arlovsky fight and was winning based on experience at this point only.......
 
terrapin said:
the better question is how in the hell you can still not know that fedors trainer said fedor had lost a step BEFORE the arlovsky fight and was winning based on experience at this point only.......
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Wow amazing, his trainer said he lost a step. So no performances after the wins streak count. Makes sense.
 
The Last King said:
That loser wouldn't let something like logic get in his way of bashing Fedor. Internet peasants gonna internet peasant.
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i cant understand not including all the data in a discussion.... fedors trainer said that specifically in the context of a question about fedor remaining undefeated. its pretty relevant to these discussions.
 
BFoe said:
I’m well aware that you just hang out and troll and don’t really want the answers to your question.

Bader’s punch was not thrown with a straight trajectory. It arcs, because it’s a hook. As mentioned, the arm throwing it can end up almost straight because the wrist turns over. You’re taking a still frame of that moment and pretending that was the trajectory of the strike, when it was not.
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Anyway, your question has been answered and you’re welcome for the free lesson!
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I'll play along and pretend it didn't even resemble a jab and was in fact a Tommy Morrison-esque left hook from hell.


Bader has never ko'd a HW not named Fedor
 
JustBleed69 said:
I personally feel like Pride and UFC goats should be separated, primarily for the difference in the rules and setting. I think people don't realize how much a ring versus a cage makes a difference, plus the 10 minute first round. They would often do resets to the center of the ring if the fighters got to the edge of the ring on the ground, which effectively takes out cage wrestling and grappling, which is a huge part of cage MMA like in the UFC or Bellator. Cage cutting and ringe craft are also drastically different in a massive cage vs a small square ring. I actually think this plays a large part in the downfall of Fedor in Strikeforce and the lack of expected success for Cro Cop in the UFC, not so much that they exited their primes.
Fedor is without a doubt the Pride goat and the Pride heavyweight goat, but Stipe is the UFC heavyweight goat. I believe that's how those kinds of things should be sorted out versus arguing who was better when we really have no idea because the rules were so much different.

Just my 2 cents!
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Worth discussing that too just like we discuss divisional GOATS, but at the end of the day people are still going to enjoy making the cross-promotional comparisons.
 
Trabaho said:
Where did I bash Fedor ? You are a clown. His 30 win streak was 50% vs nobodies in a new sport. Fedor is one of the best. He still got destroyed 3x in a row in his prime. There can be excuses made by every single fighter out there. He got served 3x a row. Never fought the top UFC heavyweights. Fought HMC and Zulu.
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And the UFC HWs never fought him so where the hell does that leave us?
 
Trabaho said:
Where did I bash Fedor ? You are a clown. His 30 win streak was 50% vs nobodies in a new sport. Fedor is one of the best. He still got destroyed 3x in a row in his prime. There can be excuses made by every single fighter out there. He got served 3x a row. Never fought the top UFC heavyweights. Fought HMC and Zulu.
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He was a heavy favorite in all 3 too



The gambling market adjusts itself to genuinely shot fighters
 
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