Media Fedor Emelianenko Resumé Review

[BFoe]

Doesn't have a top 5 HW GOAT win.

Stipe has 4 (Frank, DC, JDS, Werdun)

I about pissed myself laughing at the possibility of Frank and DC being top 5 HWs all time. <Lmaoo><45>

 

[Prex32]

 

[MartinGibson86]

I about pissed myself laughing at the possibility of Frank and DC being top 5 HWs all time. <Lmaoo><45>

Get some Depends amigo...sounds serious.

 

[beater81]

I personally feel like Pride and UFC goats should be separated, primarily for the difference in the rules and setting. I think people don't realize how much a ring versus a cage makes a difference, plus the 10 minute first round.

IF your ability at distributing an ass kicking is of a goat status, it will make no difference if it's a cage or ring.

 

[TJH Exitium]

Is it possible to view the whole GOAT debate is a silly gobbledygook but still acknowledge Fedor as GOAT?

 

[MartinGibson86]

IF your ability at distributing an ass kicking is of a goat status, it will make no difference if it's a cage or ring.

Chuck said the same...but the experts on Sherdog act like its a completely different sport.

 

[BFoe]

Get some Depends amigo...sounds serious.

I am getting to that age

But in all seriousness, Nogueira is a top 5 hw all time. To believe otherwise is incredibly stupid. Stipe lost to JDS when they were both in or near prime, he beat a washed version. Tbh, I think having a top 5 all time win as a GOAT criteria doesn’t make much sense. Fedor has multiple wins over Nog, Stipe has a win over Werdum—and you can give him some sort of partial credit for beating washed JDS if it makes you feel tingly inside.

But Fedor’s resume and accomplishments pwns Stipe’s considerably.

 

[BFoe]

Chuck said the same...but the experts on Sherdog act like its a completely different sport.

I don’t recall, but I assume Chuck said that before he went over to PRIDE and got his ass handed to him in a ring?

IF your ability at distributing an ass kicking is of a goat status, it will make no difference if it's a cage or ring.

That’s just not true. Cro Cop is probably the best example of someone whose style just didn’t translate well to a cage. He—like Fedor—is a smaller HW that likes to come forward, cut angles, back guys into corners, do shit when he’s backed into a corner like reverse the opponent into the corner and strike with a headkick…

Those corners and angles aren’t there in a cage like they are in a ring. Likewise if one is pushed against the ropes, there’s still room to move and be mobile rather that just get pinned there like one can be in a cage. The two environments are not the same.

 

[MartinGibson86]

I am getting to that age

But in all seriousness, Nogueira is a top 5 hw all time. To believe otherwise is incredibly stupid. Stipe lost to JDS when they were both in or near prime, he beat a washed version. Tbh, I think having a top 5 all time win as a GOAT criteria doesn’t make much sense. Fedor has multiple wins over Nog, Stipe has a win over Werdum—and you can give him some sort of partial credit for beating washed JDS if it makes you feel tingly inside.

But Fedor’s resume and accomplishments pwns Stipe’s considerably.

JDS had just schooled a surging Big Ben and subsequently KO'd Tai and Lewis---he was far from washed. His losses were fucking Cain and Reem at that point.

 

[MartinGibson86]

I don’t recall, but I assume Chuck said that before he went over to PRIDE and got his ass handed to him in a ring?


That’s just not true. Cro Cop is probably the best example of someone whose style just didn’t translate well to a cage. He—like Fedor—is a smaller HW that likes to come forward, cut angles, back guys into corners, do shit when he’s backed into a corner like reverse the opponent into the corner and strike with a headkick…

Those corners and angles aren’t there in a cage like they are in a ring. Likewise if one is pushed against the ropes, there’s still room to move and be mobile rather that just get pinned there like one can be in a cage. The two environments are not the same.

Chuck is 2-1 in Pride---won his first 2...was more competitive with Rampage un Pride than UFC

 

[jeff7b9]

You could pretty much rename that video Luke Thomas and friend feverishly gobble Fedor's knob and remain quite accurate.

 

[BFoe]

JDS had just schooled a surging Big Ben and subsequently KO'd Tai and Lewis---he was far from washed. His losses were fucking Cain and Reem at that point.

Tai and Lewis are not good. They are slow, lumbering dudes that even washed JDS could get wins over. In fact, they’re the last wins JDS has had in his entire career.

 

[Diamondsareforever47]

I’d say top 2. It’s Fedor and GSP at the top, either order is acceptable.

GOAT is a weird one. I feel he would never beat Werdum, Ngannou and Stipe prime for prime

Resume he is top HW ever you could only argue Stipe is better which I would argue in spite of the Struve loss. He avenged the Dos Santos one and was out of prime by the DC and Ngannou losses you could argue.

Tricky. I cannot ignore level of comp I give credit to Fedor for being a MW frame and fighting at HW while chubby but about like 20 of his opponents total were LHWs or had losing records. That is a fact. I saw someone make a list on here before it is a lot. Knowing that Ngannou, Werdum, Stipe and the new generation of Pavlovich, Gane etc cannot mimic that because they are in the UFC were all the comp is elite and all legit HWs

 

[Diamondsareforever47]

Tai and Lewis are not good. They are slow, lumbering dudes that even washed JDS could get wins over. In fact, they’re the last wins JDS has had in his entire career.

To me they are like Rodgers just better in particular Tai. Lewis is basically a Rodgers with better wrestling.

 

[icemun]

martin lazarov (0-2)
levon lagilava (1-3)
hiroya takada (1-3)
mihail apostolov (0-1)
ryushi yanagisawa (24-25)
lee hasdell (9-14)
chris haseman (20-17)
gary goodridge (23-22)
yuji nagata (0-2)
naoya ogawa (7-2)
zulu (9-9)
hong man choi (4-5)
jaideep singh (2-3)

 

[MartinGibson86]

To me they are like Rodgers just better in particular Tai. Lewis is basically a Rodgers with better wrestling.

I've asked countless tumes un these weekly Fedor 30 page circle jerks, but whats one more??


Other than finding AA's nototiously weak chin in the fight's first exchange, please show me ONE quality win on Rodgers' resume.

 

[MartinGibson86]

GOAT is a weird one. I feel he would never beat Werdum, Ngannou and Stipe prime for prime

Resume he is top HW ever you could only argue Stipe is better which I would argue in spite of the Struve loss. He avenged the Dos Santos one and was out of prime by the DC and Ngannou losses you could argue.

Tricky. I cannot ignore level of comp I give credit to Fedor for being a MW frame and fighting at HW while chubby but about like 20 of his opponents total were LHWs or had losing records. That is a fact. I saw someone make a list on here before it is a lot. Knowing that Ngannou, Werdum, Stipe and the new generation of Pavlovich, Gane etc cannot mimic that because they are in the UFC were all the comp is elite and all legit HWs

Yea UFC doesnt let their champ fight 5 straight bums in non title fights after winning the belt.


Easy to build a streak like that

 

[BFoe]

GOAT is a weird one. I feel he would never beat Werdum, Ngannou and Stipe prime for prime

Resume he is top HW ever you could only argue Stipe is better which I would argue in spite of the Struve loss. He avenged the Dos Santos one and was out of prime by the DC and Ngannou losses you could argue.

Tricky. I cannot ignore level of comp I give credit to Fedor for being a MW frame and fighting at HW while chubby but about like 20 of his opponents total were LHWs or had losing records. That is a fact. I saw someone make a list on here before it is a lot. Knowing that Ngannou, Werdum, Stipe and the new generation of Pavlovich, Gane etc cannot mimic that because they are in the UFC were all the comp is elite and all legit HWs

I’m surprised to hear you say that regarding Werdum. While I’d love to watch 2004 Fedor grapple with Werdum, I think Overeem showed (in their 2nd and 3rd fights) a cleat template to use to beat Werdum: punish Werdum standing, and just never ever follow him to the ground. Werdum in later years improved his striking a lot, but never to a point that I think it was better than Fedor’s.

Regarding competition, the fact that Fedor was undefeated against subpar guys is just a cherry on top of what Fedor accomplished. JDS for example has 8 ranked wins in his entire 16 year career. Fedor has 11 in his first decade. Now, later on when the UFC started doing (and manipulating) their own rankings, it’s possible someone like Stipe could have more—I’d honestly have to check and count it up. But Fedor put together an u defeated streak at HW that included 11 ranked wins, 7 title fight wins (I’m excluding tournament titles but including PRIDE and WAMMA both), and 5 total title defenses (3 PRIDE, 2 WAMMA). No other heavyweight in MMA history can say that.

Btw—beware of posters who allegedly list all the cans Fedor beat. There’s one dude who does it all the time, and I call him out because it’s really dishonest. What this dude does is list the fight records from the end of their career, and not at the time Fedor fought them. Secondly, he lists a bunch of fighters that Fedor fought right at the beginning of his career.

Example: he’ll list something like “Hiroya Takada, 1-3.” Well, Takada was either Fedor’s 1st or 3rd fight, depending on which source you believe. Fedor claims Takada was first, not Lazarov—meaning both he and Takada were 0-0 when they fought. If the Wikipedia order is right, Fedor would’ve been 2-0 and Takada 0-0. It’s a bit of dishonesty to list him as some subpar can Fedor fought.

 

[BFoe]

martin lazarov (0-2)
levon lagilava (1-3)
hiroya takada (1-3)
mihail apostolov (0-1)
ryushi yanagisawa (24-25)
lee hasdell (9-14)
chris haseman (20-17)
gary goodridge (23-22)
yuji nagata (0-2)
naoya ogawa (7-2)
zulu (9-9)
hong man choi (4-5)
jaideep singh (2-3)

Ha! Right on cue @Diamondsareforever47
This is the exact bullshit list I was talking about.

 

[The Last King]

If Fedor retired at 32 years old like GSP did he would have retired undefeated with a record of 32-1 with no unavenged losses and dominant wins over 4 of the best HWs from his generation.