Fedor ducking Alistair Overeem debunked with nothing but cold hard facts

I remember reading how Fedor said he doesn't wanna fight Alistair cause he is on too many steroids. I mean those 2 years of Übereem was not fair. I can't blame him.
 
2004 Prime Fedor absolutely annihilates any version of Alistair Overeem.

2010 Ubereem likely batters Fedor in a cage.
 
Claude said:
Fact #1: Scott Coker wanted to build the Fedor vs. Overeem fight up.

“[Fedor] and Alistair Overeem should be an amazing fight, and people that haven’t seen Alistair, you know, he’s an amazing fighter,” explained Coker during the conversation with the guys (and gal) from TapouT Radio. “I think we should do a couple of fights and build that one up, and then let their champion fight our champion, and let’s see what happens.

“We’re hoping that Alistair will be ready to fight in the Fall, and we can put him on one of the cards with Fedor, and not fight against each other but fight against someone else, and let’s build that fight up”

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/04/scott-coker-on-fedor-vs-overeem-lets-build-that-fight-up/

Fact #2: When Fedor fought Rogers, Overeem had not defended his belt in 2 years and was unranked :

Overeem's Strikeforce reign:

-Won the inaugural Strikeforce Heavyweight Championship on November 16 2007.
-First title defense was on May 15 2010

Rankings when Fedor fought Rogers:

http://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/2/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-20584

Fact #3: Scott Coker said the winner of Fedor-Rogers fighting the winner of Werdum-Silva “would make sense”:

“You see the matchup potential between the winner of the Silva-Werdum fight and the winner of the Fedor vs. Rogers fight, so I think it would make sense for those two to fight each other depending on how it goes,” said Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Strikeforce-Heavyweight-Winners-May-Meet-Next-20737

Despite Coker’s words, Overeem maintains Fedor declined to fight him and chose Werdum instead:

“It’s about what the people want to see, what the organization wants and what I want,” said Overeem. “That all pointed to Fedor, but he declined to fight me last month in the May 15 show and he’d rather fight Werdum”

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Overeem-Fedor-is-Out-of-the-Picture-25352

Fact #4: Fedor was scheduled to fight top ranked Fabricio Werdum before Overeem became top 10:

Fedor vs. Werdum announcement:
http://www.mmamania.com/2010/5/4/1457473/fedor-emelianenko-vs-fabricio

Rankings at the time. Overeem is nowhere to be seen:
http://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/2/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-24133

Fact #5: Fedor calls out Overeem BEFORE Overeem announced his decision to compete in the K-1 tournament:

Fedor Emelianenko: “Absolutely, I would like a rematch with Werdum. But as he was recently operated on, then as soon as this fight is unlikely to happen. This year, in November-December, I would prefer to meet in a cage with Alistair Overeem.”

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/fedor-wants-overeem-in-novemberdecember

Fact #6 :Overeem says "no" to Fedor fight and announces he has decided to compete at K-1 instead:

Emelianenko has now said that he would like to fight you by the end of the year. Is that possible at this point?

No, unfortunately not. The reason is because if I enter the Final 16 and win, I will fight the K-1 Final in December. My decision was made because nothing was certain and Strikeforce and M-1 didn't act fast enough when I made my decision to start K-1 training.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/08/25/alistair-overeem-not-interested-in-fedor-fight-decides-to-fight

Despite Overeem saying Strikeforce and M-1 didn't act fast, it took Fedor less than one month and a half to say he wanted to fight Overeem from the time it was announced Werdum was injured. It is not uncommon for UFC fighters to remain over 2 months without being scheduled.

http://www.5thround.com/44157/fedor-emelianenko-will-have-to-wait-fabricio-werdum-out-until-2011/

Fact #7: Overeem claims it was Fedor who declined to fight him (in contradiction of his previous statement):

“We tried to put together the fight against (Fabricio) Werdum, the winner of the Werdum/Fedor fight. Werdum was injured, needed surgery on his elbow, so he was out. Fedor declined to fight me for the second time. At that point, I decided to compete in the K-1 GP because there were no fights for me in Strikeforce and, yeah, basically did that.”

http://www.fightopinion.com/2011/06/16/alistair-overeem-fedor-inactivity/

Fact #8: Fedor entered a tournament in which Overeem would be competing:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/1/1...ht-tournament-rules-and-conference-call-audio

Fact #9: Drug tests were demanded not just for Overeem, but Barnett and Bigfoot as well. M-1 cites Affliction disaster as the reason:

"Two out of eight fighters in the tournament previously failed a drug test. Obviously, I’m talking about Josh Barnett and Antonio Silva. We want fair competition for everyone, so that’s why I will ask the commission to perform a strict drug testing. Fedor is not using any kind of substance to enhance his performance, and will be ready for any kind of testing. So if the commission decides to follow our suggestion, we’ll be ready.

Our organization paid a heavy price after the cancellation of the fight between Josh Barnett and Fedor. We did a lot of promotion for this fight, which in the end did not take place. That’s why as a promoter and manager, I don’t want this to happen ever again."

http://www.lowkickmma.com/UFC/m-1-global-ask-for-strict-drug-testing-policy-in-strikeforce-heavyweight-gp-fedor-says-hes-fully-concentrated-on-silva-11567/

Fact #10: Overeem fails a drug test in the UFC. Blames "anti-inflammatory medication mixed with testosterone".

"I absolutely do not believe in, nor do I use performance-enhancing drugs. I am a clean fighter and I will do whatever it takes to prove this to everyone.

Prior to the UFC 146 press conference in March, I aggravated an old rib injury on my left side. My doctor prescribed, and I accepted, an anti-inflammatory medication that was mixed with testosterone. I was completely unaware that testosterone was one of the ingredients in the medication. Although I was unaware, I do realize it is my job to know what I am putting into my body"

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Al...es-Failed-Test-on-Prescribed-Medication-42123

Fedor's manager had previously called Overeem a "steroid bully", something that was seen by some people as nothing but an excuse not to fight Overeem.


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You fail to mention a lot of what coker was talking about was damage control because Fedor was ducking Overeem and coker was trying to save face for Fedor on his behalf. That's exactly what coker was doing in your first point.

And yes, after Werdum beat Fedor, Overeem motivation to fight Fedor wasn't the same. He wanted to be the one beat Fedor. No different they if Boy A liked a girl. Boy A asks out the girl but chooses to ignore Boy A and allows her friend to set her up to date Boy B. After Boy B and the girl break up she tries to rebound with Boy A. Boy A knows this and just avoids her because the passion he felt for her before isn't there anymore and he knows she's just using him to rebound.
Boy A - Overeem
Boy B - Werdum
Girl - Fedor
Friend - Scott coker
 
mixmastermo said:
He was the biggest fighter on the planet? Really? Can you prove that with ticket sales, PPV buys, ratings?

Affliction and Strikeforce folded.. jus sayin
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HereticBD said:
In fairness, you did say he was "the biggest fighter on the planet". Not "the #1 ranked HW". Pretty big difference.

In terms of mass appeal, he was no GSP, Lesnar, or even Rousey.
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Very difficult to pull those kinds of numbers outside the ufc

If he was in the ufc, I think he wouldve been up there.

His mystique and pull was pretty wild for someone outside the most dominant organization.

I don't think anyone else has had that sort of "underground" draw.

But yeah, cant call him the biggest, impossible to be that without the ufc machine behind you.
 
HereticBD said:
In fairness, you did say he was "the biggest fighter on the planet". Not "the #1 ranked HW". Pretty big difference.

In terms of mass appeal, he was no GSP, Lesnar, or even Rousey.
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If you're sticking to North American sensibilities. I don't equate biggest/best fighter on the planet to PPV generation at all. That's just me I guess.
 
Natural Order said:
If you're sticking to North American sensibilities. I don't equate biggest/best fighter on the planet to PPV generation at all. That's just me I guess.
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I hear ya. Unfortunately "biggest" does come with some parameters. But hey, "The Biggest Movie of The Year", might not be(and usually isn't) the best. It is what it is. Not an insult to the guy, but it's fair to say that he lost out on that North American market that tends to dictate how "big" a fighter is.
 
We've all seen what Overeem looks like without the Juice and Horsemeat
 
Cooliox said:
We've all seen what Overeem looks like without the Juice and Horsemeat
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Even with them, ain't no horsemeat or steroids that are gonna fix the off button on his jaw.

He was fairly inconsistent for his entire career(albeit at a very high level), thanks to that button.
 
I agree
TRYHARD 2001 said:
Read this, young ones, and be informed.

For the record though, and it hurts me to say this, Ubereem would've beaten Fedor at that point, especially in the cage. Any other version of Overeem probably gets slept against Fedor, but Ubereem truly was a force of nature.
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Though it seems more like his management was ducking more than fedor himself
 
Fedor did enter that tournament where Reem was also in it. I have no doubt they would have fought if they both made it that far.

I don't blame him for not wanting to fight Overeem at that time though. I think he would have gotten beat up really badly.
 
snugglecakes said:
selling it to the mob is A-okay tho
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That's the culture he grew up in. He was influenced by Russian criminal outfits and insano orthodox religious bullshit. The latter did serious damage to his fighting legacy.
 
Fedor was the biggest fighter in the world with the most pull in the #1 org... prior to the UFC blowing up in the post-TUF era. After that, he was "just" the best fighter in the world for another 5 years or so.

It would have been pretty damn cool if Fedor had come to the UFC when Arlovski, Sylvia and Buentello were duking it out for the HW strap. The HL's would have been shocking. Instead he ended up beating the best fighters in the world and some of the worst for a couple more years, killing it in Affliction against ex-UFC champs, and then going the Strikeforce route at a time when it was absolutely stocked with the best of the best. Seriously, the HW division there was a freakin' shark tank!
 
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