FBI reopens Clinton investigation as new emails found PART 3

[dontsnitch]

ooh, source?

Allegedly said by Press Secretary Josh Earnest. Don't have the original source.

 

[Yunes]

Allegedly said by Press Secretary Josh Earnest. Don't have the original source.

in time hopefully

 

[LucasWithLidOff]

How far are they willing to go for their own denial?

We will soon find out.

 

[Yunes]

We're talking about taxes! We're talking about taxes... We ain't talking about the emails! We're talking about taxes, man! When you come to the arena, and you see me play... You see me play, don't you?

"HE PAID WHAT HE THOUGHT HE PAID!!"

 

[Dr J]

Which is absurd. They bungled the first time but this time it's accurate (or it was accurate the first time but now it's being bungled) - is the same level of partisan hackery that I find frustrating. When they reached a conclusion people didn't like - it was bungled. Now, it's not bungled because it's a position that those people do like. I don't take anyone seriously whose opinion on the FBI shifts depending on if its actions helps or hurts a specific candidate.

Hillary lied about classified info, about turning in all her work related emails, about only using one device, about not deleting work related emails--and they claim there was no evidence to prove intent. There is still evidence on a lap top belonging Hillary's top aide that had yet to be reviewed. There are also claims that there is/was an NSA data cloud with Hillary's 30,000 emails stored on them that seemingly wasn't investigated.

With all that, it's pretty hard to say that labeling their closed investigation as incomplete is nothing but partisan hackery.

 

[panamaican]

http://www.boston.com/news/politics...-obtains-warrant-to-search-newly-found-emails



Warrant was issued only yesterday. Took a public announcement to force the DOJ hand.

Are you not reading your own article? They knew for weeks before they briefed Comey. He was briefed on Thursday, announced it on Friday. Where exactly is the credible information that they wouldn't have gotten a warrant without the announcement?

 

[TheComebackKid]

Which is absurd. They bungled the first time but this time it's accurate (or it was accurate the first time but now it's being bungled) - is the same level of partisan hackery that I find frustrating. When they reached a conclusion people didn't like - it was bungled. Now, it's not bungled because it's a position that those people do like. I don't take anyone seriously whose opinion on the FBI shifts depending on if its actions helps or hurts a specific candidate.

Cmon Pan stop being dishonest. You know full well that the objection to the first investigation was the idea that Comey a) pretending that there needed to be intent and b) that he couldn't find intent despite there being intent all over the place. That in conjunction with the Bill/Lynch meeting stunkvto the high heavens.

We've since gotten an even clearer picture of Hillary and the DNCs corrupt and criminal activities. We have since learned about 650k emails that include state.gov addresses. We've since learned about the FBI mutiny. Hillary is clearly corrupt and criminal and Comey clearly bungled/suppressed the first investigation. There is nothing partisan about recognizing and supporting and 2nd investigation.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Could someone please explain to me how Kim Dotcom got into all of this? I know he's pissed at Obama/Clinton for going after him, killing Megaupload, and the whole extradition/prison thing. But his tweets seem to imply that he has access to Wikileaks level info. Is he simply aware of what Assange has or is he sitting on his own email stash? Is he just jubilantly engaging in schadenfreude? What's going on with this guy?

i love me some Harm-Joy

 

[sangreporsangre]

There has been so many awesome memes to come out of this whole election, but honestly I can say that this one right here might be the best one so far.

 

[Dr J]

Definitely interesting. I don't know about more interesting or important though. I wouldn't really characterise it as Obama throwing Hillary under the bus...



Hmm. I disagree. I think that would make the vague pronouncement purely a political move to cover his arse. Not something I think justifies the potential political effect of his actions.

I agree that the move may be political in the sense that he's covering his tail for possibly screwing up back in July, but not in the sense that he's some political hack trying to boost Trump over Clinton.

 

[panamaican]

He didn't have to opine about her judgment initially. That's totally beyond the scope of what he does. Present the facts, and others can offer their views on that. The GOP spun it is unprecedented, as a hit on Clinton, but Clinton isn't the first person to have exercised poor judgment in a way that doesn't violate laws. The precedent broken there was on the part of the FBI director interjecting his extra-legal opinions. Likewise, with this, he didn't have to go against the recommendations of the DOJ. People praising his integrity were noting that he would not let politics interfere with the actual investigation, but that's entirely separate from his media communications.

See, I disagree. The investigation was already out there. He had to comment on the findings otherwise, it leaves an information gap. Everyone knew she was being investigated. So everyone knew that she was either going to be prosecuted or the case was going to get dropped. Once they decide to drop it, it was going to hit the news cycle with all sorts of spin. Given the high profile, I think Comey had present the FBI's narrative to maintain credibility (it didn't matter because some people refuse to believe any conclusion that they don't like). Once that was done, any significant change in the status would require another announcement.

 

[EGarrett]

Obama distancing himself

"We won;t defend nor criticize Comey on Hillary's emails"

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/31/p...ames-comey-clinton-emails/index.html?adkey=bn

President Barack Obama does not believe FBI Director James Comey is attempting to influence this year's presidential vote, Press Secretary Josh Earnest said Monday.

"The President doesn't believe that he's secretly strategizing to benefit one candidate or one political party," Earnest said. "He's in a tough spot, and he's the one who will be in a position to defend his actions in the face of significant criticism from a variety of legal experts, including individuals who served in senior Department of Justice positions in administrations led by presidents in both parties."

I'm with the camp that believes that Obama actually can't stand Hillary. He's done his share of speeches in support of her but there are weird twitches, like this backing off of the Comey situation, Biden not accepting anything in her cabinet, and Clinton's comments about the "awful legacy of the last 8 years," that indicate to me that there is a lot of enmity there.

If I might also say, groups tend to take on the personality of their leader. The Republican Party became a moronic embarrassment under Dubya (which also produced the Sarah Palin phenomenon). Now that the Democratic Party is moving away from Obama and into following Hillary, they're degenerating into transparently dishonest, scandal-plagued, propagandist pieces of ****. Donna Brazile, Weiner, Gruber, etc etc.

 

[dontsnitch]

in time hopefully

Confirmed. He says it in the presser. It's live so at the -1:17:00 mark.



Edit: the time is still shifting 'cause it's live, so it's not a fixed time. Roughly 5 minutes in.

 

[Ruprecht]

How about all of America saying Hillary and the FBI were in cahoots? Come On you can't be fucking serious if you don't see worse ramifications. They reopen the investigation before the election, tell no one, and then end up indicting her. People would go crazy. At least now Americans would have no one to blame but themselves.

He does have info, enough to reopen the investigation. Can you be reasonable and realize how difficult it would be to get detailed when there are 650,000 emails?

You are a complete shill if you think he's working for the republicans. You'd be less of a shill if it weren't for the fact Clinton should be in jail already, but seeing how they handled this once, it's just laughable to think they don't favor her

Usually people that throw "shill" around like that are some sort of nutty CTer.

I haven't said anything about him "working for the Republicans", although he is one. Like I said though, his actions aren't justified by the requirements of the investigation, they aren't supported by the DOJ or legal policy (the Hatch Act) and their potential effect on the election is hardly debatable.
My idea of "much worse" would be if the FBI said something influencing the election, Clinton loses to Trump by the narrowest of margins (Gore vs Bush style) and then the emails amount to nothing.
Even without that, the justification of the FBI getting involved like this, simply to cover their own arse, wouldn't be a good precedent.

 

[Rational Poster]

Putting "Period" at the end of an incorrect statement doesn't magically make it correct. Just some friendly advice.

Trust me, no one of any consequence cares about tax returns anymore. We have the Clinton criminal scandal of the decade that gets juicier by the hour. Trying to rehash old talking points just looks desperate at this point.

What exactly is so juicy about it?

Seems a lot of the same to me.

A whole lot of noise with no actual evidence.

Just because you don't want to believe it, doesn't make it not true.

When you run for public office you are not a private citizen.

Romney was a private citizen when he ran for office, he still released his tax returns even though they were damaging to his campaign.

 

[method115]

Another thing. The FBI has been aware of these emails for several weeks now, but they were denied a search warrant. It took Comey going public with the info for the warrant to be issued. Comey is an honest cop who hates corrupt politicians preventing him from doing his job.

I don't think that's accurate. The President has a an obligation to uphold the neutrality of the FBI. That means he has to back the institutions of the government over the party itself.

Most of these accusations and conjectures only make sense when someone starts with the assumption that the institutions are biased to begin with. Then they have to make up stories to support the idea of bias. When you start with the reality that the institutions are neutral, 99.9% of the stories become obviously flawed.

Comey commented on not prosecuting because it was relevant and true. He commented on the new investigation because it's relevant and true. Obama backs the FBI's neutrality because that's his responsibility as the head of the Executive branch which includes the FBI. Don't let these people put you into a tinfoil hat.

Like I said it just sounds that way. I realize that it could just be exactly as you said. I even said as much in my post. Like I said though the CTer in me wants to believe it's them separating themselves from the situation.

 

[dontsnitch]

Good luck with that.

In before Uncle Tom.

Lol at Uncle Tom. To hear a staunch Liberal call Obama an Uncle Tom would make this whole circus of an election worth it.

 

[DespicablePeep]

You did. You were insisting that the FBI had already searched the emails before they had authorization to do it, right? It's still in this thread.

My take is actually that there *isn't* a crazy conspiracy here, and the process of actually looking at the potential evidence didn't begin until they got the warrant. But you were insisting that that wasn't the case. And Weiner could well get indicted for the sexting stuff. There will be no indictments related to the email server thing.

They have looked at them and it could go the way of breaking the fourth, either way Hillary is cooked. You can´t keep emails that you said you have destroyed.

And if it was about sexting why Comey would comment on the emails found....

 

[Fawlty]

I thought about reporting his post.

aborted fetus or?

 

[Fawlty]

Stop being such a Democratic shill?

Nvm, you'll never do that.

It's not my fault you guys put up the worst candidate in US history. If you have a specific complaint, let's hear it. Otherwise, I'm going to assume you're just trying to drag me into the shill swamp while ironically calling me a shill.