FBI raids office of Michael Cohen, personal attorney to Donald Trump

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It's weird that you keep bringing up Starr and not Benghazi, which was investigated eight times and turned up nothing. Is that because you were an enthusiastic supporter of the fishing expedition there and there is record of it while your comments during Starr's investigation are not public?
I have noted that your desire to find out who is on which team outstrips any efforts to isolate and codify the correct liberal principles at play here.

I prefer congressional committee investigations to special counsel investigations, but Benghazi would have best been handled by a nonpartisan independent commission. Same as the Russian interference issue.

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Furthermore, I don't recall anyone on either side making the argument you're making. Why didn't the left make it? Probably because A) they *wanted* someone clean and B) nothing turned up.

Hmm...could this be further evidence that I am not the partisan you frequently accuse me of being?

Furthermore, there were multiple public instances of Democrats attacking the Starr investigation. I remember it well. It's hilarious that you are making confident statements about the Starr investigation today, when just yesterday you posted that you didn't know much about it.
 
It must be Wacky Wednesday on abovetopsecret.com

But I have to disagree about the CIA being a rouge organization. They are clearly a foreign intelligence service, and not a beauty product giant.
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It must be Wacky Wednesday on abovetopsecret.com

But I have to disagree about the CIA being a rouge organization. They are clearly a foreign intelligence service, and not a beauty product giant.

Lol, they got caught spying on congress. Someone should have been hung from a tall tree and short rope for that.
 
Don't laugh. I had a red scare this morning while putting on my face.
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It's weird that you keep bringing up Starr and not Benghazi, which was investigated eight times and turned up nothing. Is that because you were an enthusiastic supporter of the fishing expedition there and there is record of it

But sure, go ahead and try to find evidence in my posting history that I was an "enthusiastic supporter" of the Republican investigations on Benghazi. I didn't even pay much attention to it. I wasn't very tuned into politics during that period.
 
That is Rosenstein's job, and since the last time Trump wanted to fire Mueller, Rosenstein testified that Mueller was conducting the investigation on the up and up, as expected.



Rosenstein is happy with Mueller, and Sessions is happy with Rosenstein.



Trump and his merry band of enablers are not happy with anyone.


This is a bizarre way to justify ignoring potential violations of civil liberties. How about just being a good citizen and looking out for the rights of your fellow man, even if you think said man is an asswipe?
 
I just find it interesting that the character they sold was fictional. Obviously people knew it, I’d be interested in knowing who those people were.

The good thing about mudslinging is you're free to choose the most satisfying answer available. I think you'll be very pleased.
 
No offense, but this is absurd. The real world is not the Sherdog War Room. There are judges and others who are fully capable of judging reality without allowing partisan bias to creep in.
If you’re right, doesn’t that assure the the raid on Cohen is likely justified?
 
This is a bizarre way to justify ignoring potential violations of civil liberties. How about just being a good citizen and looking out for the rights of your fellow man, even if you think said man is an asswipe?

You are still on your Dershowitz kick I see.

What evidence do you have of these potential violations?
 
Shielding the Radical Cleric Gulen: Special Counsel Robert Mueller MUST Step Down
SIBEL EDMONDS | OCTOBER 24, 2017
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General Michael Flynn, Former National Security Advisor to President Trump, is being investigated by Special Counsel for accepting legitimate payments from Turkish companies for researching and exposing Wanted Terrorist and Radical Islamist Fethullah Gulen and his $25+ Billion criminal network in the United States.

Former FBI Director Robert Mueller is Special Counsel in charge of the case. He is the same Robert Mueller who used his position as Director of the FBI to shield and cover up Gulen’s criminal-terrorist network and operations, and take drastic measures to quash a whistleblower’s Gulen-related reports. These previous connections and actions by Mr. Mueller create a direct conflict of interest with his current position as Special Counsel in Flynn’s case, and require that he must immediately step down from the case.

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In May 2017 the Justice Department appointed Robert S. Mueller III, a former F.B.I. director, as special counsel to oversee the investigation into ties between President Trump’s campaign and Russian officials.

Not long after being appointed Mr. Mueller began targeting former national security adviser Lieutenant General Michael T. Flynn, expanded the investigation beyond the Russia-Gate probe, and began a furious pursuit of Mr. Flynn’s Turkish connections and his vocal stand on the wanted radical Islamic Cleric Fethullah Gulen.

Mr. Mueller’s inquiries went from Russia-connections to Flynn’s outing of Gulen’s twenty five-billion-dollar sleeper terror cell in the United States. Not finding any substantial evidence against Flynn within the Russia-Gate scope, the Special Counsel team switched gears and started a Turkey-Gate. During the past several months Mr. Mueller’s prosecutors have used multiple grand juries to issue subpoenas for documents related to Mr. Flynn. All this despite President Trump’s demand that:

Mr. Mueller should confine his investigation to the narrow issue of Russia’s attempts to disrupt last year’s presidential campaign, not conduct an expansive inquiry into the finances of Mr. Trump or his associates.

Mr. Mueller’s prosecution team and F.B.I. agents have spent hours going over the details of Mr. Flynn’s perfectly legitimate business dealings with a Turkish-American businessman who worked with Mr. Flynn’s consulting business, the Flynn Intel Group. Why? Because the business arrangements included research for and exposure of the world’s largest radical Islamist network, operating in the United States for over two decades- the Gulen Network.

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The targeting of Mr. Flynn through consolidated Obama Whitehouse leaks and one-sided media attacks began six months prior to the Special Counsel appointment. It started with an editorial penned by Mr. Flynn on November 8, 2016, when he became the first public official to unabashedly expose the radical cleric long protected by multiple government agencies- the CIA, State Department and FBI, starting under President Bill Clinton’s administration:

The primary bone of contention between the U.S. and Turkey is Fethullah Gülen, a shady Islamic mullah residing in Pennsylvania whom former President Clinton once called his “friend” in a well circulated video.

Gülen portrays himself as a moderate, but he is in fact a radical Islamist. He has publicly boasted about his “soldiers” waiting for his orders to do whatever he directs them to do. If he were in reality a moderate, he would not be in exile, nor would he excite the animus of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and his government.



To professionals in the intelligence community, the stamp of terror is all over Mullah Gülen’s statements in the tradition of Qutb and al Bana. Gülen’s vast global network has all the right markings to fit the description of a dangerous sleeper terror network. From Turkey’s point of view, Washington is harboring Turkey’s Osama bin Laden.



However, funding seems to be no problem for Gülen’s network. Hired attorneys work to keep the lucrative government source of income for Gülen and his network going. Influential charities such as Cosmos Foundation continue their support for Gulen’s charter schools. Incidentally, Cosmos Foundation is a major donor to Clinton Foundation. No wonder Bill Clinton calls Mullah Gülen “his friend.”

By writing and publishing this strong commentary Lt. General Flynn not only took on the enormously powerful Gulen’s terrorist network, but also the wrath of the CIA and the FBI, the Intelligence and law enforcement agencies tasked with bringing Gulen into the United States in 1998, his grooming, and his ongoing protection for over two decades.

FBI Director Mueller & the Gulen Case Cover-Up

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Former FBI Director Robert Mueller was directly involved in quashing and covering up Gulen and Gulen Network related cases within the FBI’s Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence and White-Collar Crime divisions. The dossiers and mountains of criminal and espionage evidences on Gulen’s network resided in multiple FBI field offices, with the FBI’s Washington D.C., Chicago, and New Jersey Field Offices being the three most important investigative centers on the case.

Mr. Mueller was the primary official responsible for the invocation of the State Secrets Privilege, gag orders and retroactive classification of congressional records in my case, the Sibel Edmonds Case, a large part of which pertained to criminal, terrorism and espionage related operations conducted by Fethullah Gulen and his Networks in the United States.

Gulen’s money laundering and terrorism-related operations have been known to the FBI for two decades. It was only after the attempted coup in Turkey that some of these facts began surfacing in the mainstream media:

Over the past two decades, Gulen’s Turkish followers have opened up taxpayer-funded charter schools in the U.S. Some parents have expressed concern about the connection to the Gulen movement, while others don’t seem to mind. But CBS News has learned the FBI is investigating whether Gulen’s followers have skimmed money from those schools in order to fund his movement in Turkey. A senior State Department official believes Gulen-linked charities and educational institutions in the U.S. look “a lot like the ways in which organized crime sets itself up... to hide money for money laundering.”



Based on information provided by Emanet, federal investigators believe former officials at his Ohio school illegally paid themselves about $5 million in federal contracts and then sent those U.S. tax dollars to Bank Asya, a bank in Turkey linked to Gulen’s followers.

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In March of 2016 the following report erased any doubts about Gulen’s terrorist and criminal activities in the US - spanning over two decades:

Living in self-imposed exile in Pennsylvania, with a net worth of around $25 billion, Turkish Islamic cleric Fethullah Gülen has catalyzed a global movement of charter schools from Africa to Latin America into the United States. Building private schools in over 180 countries around the world, the global Gülen movement has paved the way for the largest U.S. charter school network with more than 140 schools in some 26 states.

What lies underneath this charter-school network, however, is a possible undercurrent of white-collar crime and corruption. Known in Turkey as the Fethullahist Terrorist Organization or FETÖ this growing network is being investigated by the FBI for everything from fraud and malpractice, to misuse of public funds. One spokeswoman for the bureau said that an investigation is ongoing and FBI agents carried out raids at 19 Gülen-affiliated charter schools in Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio in 2014.



Diplomatic cables released by Wikileaks demonstrate a concern by U.S. officials that these Turkish teachers and businesses “might be using the reputation of the school as a cover to get to the U.S.” These cables state that the H1B visa applications were “not convincing” and that Gülen’s more moderate message “cloaks a more sinister and radical agenda.”



Receiving approximately $150 million a year in tax breaks and subsidies, government officials are increasingly concerned that taxpayer dollars are being used to fund a close-knit network of Turkish teachers and businesses using charter schools as a Trojan horse for embedding into the U.S. education system.

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In March 2016, Former NATO Supreme Allied Commander Gen. Wesley Clark went on record and stated that the United States has become a part of Turkey's problems for letting Fethullah Gülen, who is wanted in Turkey, stay in the U.S. Clark went on adding that he found it strange how Gulen has been allowed to remain and operate in the United States:

We are even part of that. One of the most wanted people in Turkey is a man named Gülen, a former ally of President Erdoğan, who is in the United States, running a network of charter schools subsidized by the United States. Very strange," he added.

Documents from Wikileaks has shown that American officials have been worried Gülen could be targeting children across the U.S. through running over 125 Gülen charter schools in 25 states:

In 2005, one U.S. embassy worker expressed concern about the schools: “We have multiple reliable reports that the Gülenists use their school network (including dozens of schools in the U.S.) to cherry pick students they think are susceptible to being molded as proselytizers,” U.S. Embassy officials in Ankara said in a 2005 report. And we have steadily heard reports about how the schools indoctrinate boarding students,” they said.”

Despite the publication of mounting criminal evidence against Gulen’s operations, to this date the FBI has continued shielding this terrorist:

The Chicago Sun-Times reports on Concept Schools, a charter school network in the Midwest funded by the Gülen movement. Though an ongoing FBI investigation has found the schools divert Illinois taxpayer dollars to Gülen-affiliated contractors, the Concept network continues to receive government funds:

Days after federal agents swept into the headquarters of Concept Schools and a charter school it operates in Rogers Park in June 2014, top Chicago Public Schools officials took notice of the raids on the taxpayer-funded charter operator but decided to steer clear.

More than two years since the FBI raids brought the still-ongoing federal investigation involving Concept to light, the charter operator has continued to do business with contractors identified in court documents as allegedly having been involved in defrauding a government grant program, records obtained by the Chicago Sun-Times show.





As the longest serving FBI Director, Mr. Mueller was in charge of the FBI’s investigations and pursuit of Gulen and his network for eleven years. During his tenure he not only continued the same policy and practices of his predecessors in shielding and protecting Gulen’s criminal network, he went even further by quashing and covering up reports and cases involving Gulen’s terrorist-criminal-espionage operations through retaliations, invocation of the State Secrets Privilege, and hindering Congressional oversight and investigations through retroactive classification.

Mr. Mueller, due to his direct involvement as former FBI Director and his role in covering up and protecting Gulen Networks’ criminal operations within the United States, by shutting down pertinent FBI investigative operations and by transferring certain terrorism related Gulen files to the counterintelligence division, has a major conflict of interest as Special Counsel targeting Flynn’s case as it pertains to exposing the Gulen network and his relationship with Turkish entities sharing the same interest in exposing and extraditing Fethullah Gulen. Thus, Mr. Mueller must step down from his position as Special Counsel in this case- a case targeting and probing Lt. General Michael Flynn.

https://www.newsbud.com/2017/10/24/...pecial-counsel-robert-mueller-must-step-down/
Sorry, tl;dr, but it starts off by trying to make it sound like Flynn is an innocent being persecuted so I call bs on the whole thing.
 
Sorry, tl;dr, but it starts off by trying to make it sound like Flynn is an innocent being persecuted so I call bs on the whole thing.

He is innocent. He got taken down for exposing Gulen, by the traitor Robert mueller.
 
I was referring to the practically unlimited government investigative powers that exist in Russia and China. I was not making a comment about the prospects of a government investigation into the leaders of those nations. Please reconsider your vitriol.

That's why your head is up your ass.

You pointed at two nations that would only allow investigations of their leaders' wrong-doings in a very exceptional change of circumstances (as you, yourself, pointed out) and ignorantly tried to conflate the investigation of Trump with examples of unfettered government investigation into the lives of powerless citizens.

The truth is that cutting off the authorities from finding criminal acts committed by America's leaders would make America more like Russia and China and less like healthy democracies.

Check your very backwards thoughts, please, because your head is up your ass.
 
Hmm...could this be further evidence that I am not the partisan you frequently accuse me of being?

You misunderstand. During the Benghazi investigations, Democrats pointed out it was a waste of time or encouraged the investigation. They didn't make the argument that you're making now. Your tribalism (I can't even imagine actively pushing not to find corruption) is not as common as you assume.

Furthermore, there were multiple public instances of Democrats attacking the Starr investigation. I remember it well. It's hilarious that you are making confident statements about the Starr investigation today, when just yesterday you posted that you didn't know much about it.

Talking about Benghazi.
 
But sure, go ahead and try to find evidence in my posting history that I was an "enthusiastic supporter" of the Republican investigations on Benghazi. I didn't even pay much attention to it. I wasn't very tuned into politics during that period.

I recall you saying that more should have been made of Clinton using a personal email address to do work, even though the MSM actually covered that more than all policy issues combined and she was cleared of wrongdoing.
 
FAKE NEWS from Fox
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018...-michael-cohen-threaten-everyones-rights.html

FOX News shamelessly and pathetically lies about the raid, misrepresenting it as an attack on the Constitutional right of everyone.

Trump is right: FBI raids against his attorney Michael Cohen threaten everyone's rights

Since when are lawyers exempt from the law / investigation of wrong doing just because they are lawyers. The raid wasn't about trying to find out what Cohen and Trump are up to regarding the Russia probe, the raid was about finding out if Cohen broke campaign finance laws when he paid off Stormy Daniels.

Fox is like a highly partisan rightwing shill, in the mold of FreeRepublic and Breitbart.


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During the Benghazi investigations, Democrats pointed out it was a waste of time or encouraged the investigation

You're making a very poor comparison. The Benghazi committee had a very limited mandate and no prosecutorial authority. The Democrats had nothing to fear unless Clinton actually did something wrong in Benghazi that was likely to be uncovered. Politically, they played it well.

In the case of the Starr investigation, you had Democrats of all stripes very upset that the probe was going far behind its purview. They were right for the same reason we should be skeptical of the current special counsel.
 
Medallions were once valued as much as $1M per - but Uber tanked a lot of their value.

Supposedly he flipped a couple houses for 500% profit in two years - buying them for $2M and selling them for $10M as well. But if he's so cash poor in that he needed a line of credit off his house to pay Daniels - makes me believe he's laundering the money for somebody else and doesn't have access to any of it.
Math geek here. Buying for $2M and selling for $10M is 400% profit.
 
That's why your head is up your ass.

You pointed at two nations that would only allow investigations of their leaders' wrong-doings in a very exceptional change of circumstances (as you, yourself, pointed out) and ignorantly tried to conflate the investigation of Trump with examples of unfettered government investigation into the lives of powerless citizens.

The truth is that cutting off the authorities from finding criminal acts committed by America's leaders would make America more like Russia and China and less like healthy democracies.

Check your very backwards thoughts, please, because your head is up your ass.
You've wasted a lot of time strawmanning me. I did nothing that you accuse me of.
 
You're making a very poor comparison. The Benghazi committee had a very limited mandate and no prosecutorial authority. The Democrats had nothing to fear unless Clinton actually did something wrong in Benghazi that was likely to be uncovered. Politically, they played it well.

The bullshit email scandal came about as a result of one of the Benghazi investigations. Did you not know that?
 
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