FBI raids office of Michael Cohen, personal attorney to Donald Trump

[Andy Capp]

You've wasted a lot of time strawmanning me. I did nothing that you accuse me of.

What you’ve done is adopt a deliberately obtuse stance where you try to assert that because other things having been done poorly by other people means there’s a likelihood that the investigation by Mueller is similar, all the while ignoring concrete and eminently logical evidence to the contrary, i.e. trolling the fuck out of everyone trying to have honest discourse ITT.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

You've wasted a lot of time strawmanning me. I did nothing that you accuse me of.

You did exactly the very stupid thing I accused you of. You compared the government abuses of China and Russia against powerless citizens to Trump's situation, as though he, too, were a powerless citizen and not the leader of his country. In truth, as the leader of his country, Trump would be completely untouchable by democracy in China and Russia.

Your comparison was incredibly dishonest and stupid. Head = up your ass.

 

[waiguoren]

The bullshit email scandal came about as a result of one of the Benghazi investigations. Did you not know that?

I don't see the e-mail scandal as "bullshit".

I did know that the scandal arose as a result of the investigation.

I already told you I think more investigations of government officials is desirable. I think that a nonpartisan independent commission would have been more suitable in the Benghazi case. The e-mail issue would have arisen all the same, but there would be no accusations from tribalists of a "partisan witchhunt".

 

[Andy Capp]

He is innocent. He got taken down for exposing Gulen, by the traitor Robert mueller.

Did he or did he not fail to report his Turkey connection. Does Kushner have suspiciously similar connections with Turkey or not.

I didn’t use question marks because there is no question; they certainly did.

 

[Andy Capp]

I don't see the e-mail scandal as "bullshit".

I did know that the scandal arose as a result of the investigation.

I already told you I think more investigations of government officials is desirable. I think that a nonpartisan congressional committee would have been more suitable in the Benghazi case. The e-mail issue would have arisen all the same, but there would be no accusations from tribalists of a "partisan witchhunt".

According to your earlier statements, you can rely on judges (disagree) but you’re as much of a pinhead as far-right wingers if you think you can make the same claims about Congress.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Did he or did he not fail to report his Turkey connection. Does Kushner have suspiciously similar connections with Turkey or not.

I didn’t use question marks because there is no question; they certainly did.

No. My point began, and continues to be about Mueller, gulen, and Flynn. He didn't file as a foreign lobbyist? Lol, Mueller didn't disclose that he aided and abetted a terrorist.

I don't care about Kushner.


Like I said, if you want to prove collusion between trump, and a foreign nation, let's investigate trump and Israel. It should take about ten minutes to build that case and charge him.

 

[waiguoren]

If you’re right, doesn’t that assure the the raid on Cohen is likely justified?

That depends on the integrity of Rosenstein and the judge for SDNY who signed the warrant. If I had to guess, I would say yes. However, I am not sticking my flag in it.

 

[waiguoren]

What evidence do you have of these potential violations?

The key word is "potential". Anytime federal LEOs raid anything, we should be on the lookout for civil rights violations. Do you agree?

 

[waiguoren]

That's why your head is up your ass.

You pointed at two nations that would only allow investigations of their leaders' wrong-doings in a very exceptional change of circumstances (as you, yourself, pointed out) and ignorantly tried to conflate the investigation of Trump with examples of unfettered government investigation into the lives of powerless citizens.

The truth is that cutting off the authorities from finding criminal acts committed by America's leaders would make America more like Russia and China and less like healthy democracies.

Check your very backwards thoughts, please, because your head is up your ass.

This isn't even a conversation about leaders. You jumped into a conversation and are steering it off course.

The entire conversation I've had with others here has been about the raid of Cohen's office. Cohen is not a leader. He is a citizen. I was merely commenting that, for apparently tribalist reasons, some people in this thread are happy to disregard the liberal values our nation is built upon in the name of tearing down their political enemy. They would be happy for federal law enforcement to have unlimited powers to attack their political enemies, but not their political allies. Note well: I am not claiming that unlimited powers have been exercised in this case.

 

[waiguoren]

What you’ve done is adopt a deliberately obtuse stance where you try to assert that because other things having been done poorly by other people means there’s a likelihood that the investigation by Mueller is similar, all the while ignoring concrete and eminently logical evidence to the contrary, i.e. trolling the fuck out of everyone trying to have honest discourse ITT.

I plead innocent. Point out the post in which I asserted a "likelihood that the Mueller investigation" has been handled poorly.

I am interested in structural issues, not the current drama. I didn't like the institution of independent counsel (Ken Starr) and I don't like the institution of special counsel. I think these institutions are too powerful. I like limited government.

 

[waiguoren]

According to your earlier statements, you can rely on judges (disagree) but you’re as much of a pinhead as far-right wingers if you think you can make the same claims about Congress.

You caught a typo. I meant to write "nonpartisan commission", not "nonpartisan congressional committee". The latter doesn't exist. The former refers to bodies such as the Warren Commission or the 9/11 Commission. If you see my other comments in this thread, it will be clear. I'm echoing Dershowitz here.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

This isn't even a conversation about leaders. You jumped into a conversation and are steering it off course.

The entire conversation I've had with others here has been about the raid of Cohen's office. Cohen is not a leader. He is a citizen. I was merely commenting that, for apparently tribalist reasons, some people in this thread are happy to disregard the liberal values our nation is built upon in the name of tearing down their political enemy. They would be happy for federal law enforcement to have unlimited powers to attack their political enemies, but not their political allies. Note well: I am not claiming that unlimited powers have been exercised in this case.

I've steered your disingenuous shitposting off course. I feel awful about that.

 

[SBJJ]

You know if we would have investigated 9-11 and Iraq, Mueller wouldn't be around to be special prosecutor.

Bunch of people with R's next to their name that are responsible for that.

BIG TIME!! This is blowback for the GOP giving these agencies the power they now have

 

[waiguoren]

I've steered your disingenuous shitposting off course. I feel awful about that.

Michael Cohen's civil liberties matter to me. Do they matter to you?

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Michael Cohen's thecivil liberties matter to me. Do they matter to you?

Do they matter to you? Or does concern-trolling stupid reasons Mueller needs to be stopped matter to you?

I'll just scan your posts to answer that question aaaaaaaaaand your brain is gone.

 

[waiguoren]

Do they matter to you? Or does concern-trolling stupid reasons Mueller needs to be stopped matter to you?

Please show me a post in which I called for the Mueller investigation to be stopped.

You can easily find posts in which I called for the investigation to continue.

Awesome reference, by the way. The show had already gone way down hill by that point but there were still some redeeming parts and that was one of them.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Please show me a post in which I called for the Mueller investigation to be stopped.

You can easily find posts in which I called for the investigation to continue.

Awesome reference, by the way. The show had already gone way downhill by that point but there were still some redeeming parts and that was one of them.

Yep, but I can also find posts where you typed the same stupid shit typed by people who want the investigation stopped. Your stated shitposting goal and your actual shitposting goal are two different things.

 

[waiguoren]

Yep, but I can also find posts where you typed the same stupid shit typed by people who want the investigation stopped. Your stated shitposting goal and your actual shitposting goal are two different things.

It appears that, to you, you're either with Trump or against Trump. There's no use in breaking things down further. So if I agree with some of the arguments of the other side, I must be on their side.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

It appears that, to you, you're either with Trump or against Trump. There's no use in breaking things down further. So if I agree with some of the arguments of the other side, I must be on their side.

Let's not pretend you're posting balanced and thoughtful ideas. You're shitposting mightily and pretending to be in a thoughtful middle ground. You're trolling.

 

[bobgeese]

Bob, remember I broke out the facts behind that story, including the payments. And remember you just gave up arguing your point and disappeared because you didn't have any facts.

You have no argument. The payments have been documented and reported about in the NYT. Now, I know their credibility is shit, but, you’re some guy named cake on the Internet. Nyt>Cake


And, I seem to recall there being a hole in your argument where you can’t explain tens of millions of dollars being ever so generously donated to the Clintons sham charity.


And if you step outside your safe space for 5 minutes you’ll also notice I said nothing will ever come of it. It’s called politics. Don’t ever, ever hold your breath waiting for the people in power to be held accountable.