FBI raids office of Michael Cohen, personal attorney to Donald Trump

[waiguoren]

Let's not pretend you're posting balanced and thoughtful ideas. You're shitposting mightily and pretending to be in a thoughtful middle ground. You're trolling.

That's not true. I want to know Mueller's purview, and no one in this thread has been able to spell it out. Most of the people in this thread just want to see their political enemies fall. Madison did not believe in democracy for this very reason. The masses are happy to throw out process in the name of expediency.

 

[bobgeese]

The good thing about mudslinging is you're free to choose the most satisfying answer available. I think you'll be very pleased.

I’m not sure where you’re getting the mudslinging thing from. Here’s a simple example.


“Coleen Rowley, a former FBI special agent and former Minneapolis Division legal counsel of the FBI, wrote an Op-Ed in the Huffington Post last year No, Robert Mueller and James Comey Aren’t Heroes stated that when the truth about Bulger “was finally uncovered through intrepid investigative reporting and persistent, honest judges, U.S. taxpayers footed a $100 million court award to the four men framed for murders committed by (the FBI operated) Bulger gang.”

But Mueller never was asked by Congress, “what did you know about Whitey Bulger, and when did you know it?”

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Surely you’ll admit that’s not in line with the story they sold about Meuller to the public.

 

[FIMN]

That's not true. I want to know Mueller's purview, and no one in this thread has been able to spell it out.

Wasn't it explicitly spelled out as part of his appointment? I'm sure it was quoted in this thread and every other one like it... and also available by a simple search.

 

[waiguoren]

Wasn't it explicitly spelled out as part of his appointment? I'm sure it was quoted in this thread and every other one like it... and also available by a simple search.

I've posted it many times in this thread already.

(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation


The point is that "individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump" is not clearly defined. Some anti-Trump partisans, such as @Limbo Pete, have even said explicitly that they want no limits on what Mueller can look into. I'm trying to understand if the other, less rabid posters are imposing any limits at all. For example, I was able to get one poster to write that Mueller should be able to question a janitor from the Trump Organization (note that the Organization and the campaign are different entities).

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

"The most likely outcome of the Mueller investigation is multiple indictments of low-level campaign officials and millions of dollars of taxpayer money wasted. No one will be satisfied. Mueller will have missed the big fish, Trumpies will cry that Mueller was unfair, and Democrats will whine that Mueller didn't look in the right places."

Why would that be more likely than Mueller actually finding shit related directly to Trump?

And he's been acting guilty since long before warrants were executed on his corrupt fixer.



??? You know that Trump is a Republican, right?

Trump supporters, I refuse to call them republicans, will cry because that's what they're good at, certainly.

Most folks who aren't Trumpbots who've been paying attention like ourselves probably trust a special counsel to find what they find

 

[waiguoren]

I believe this video is mislabeled in order to get more clicks. But Dershowitz is always worth listening to.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Yes. I've made that point multiple times in this thread. Partisans have short memories.

... so short you forget you're hyperpartisan after hitting send

 

[waiguoren]

... so short you forget you're hyperpartisan after hitting send

In order to be partisan, one must universally or near-universally affiliate with one side at odds with another. Which side have I chosen?

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

In order to be partisan, one must universally or near-universally affiliate with one side at odds with another. Which side have I chosen?

Donald Trump's.
The effort to undermine our law enforcement agencies, which is why I won't call these cunts republicans, is an effort to shield him from the consequences of his actions.

Which would be unacceptable but more acceptable for anyone BUT the President of the country.

All these assholes are doing is paving the way for lawless dictator style presidents in the future who aren't beholden to the laws WE have to obey.

 

[waiguoren]

Donald Trump's.
The effort to undermine our law enforcement agencies, which is why I won't call these cunts republicans, is an effort to shield him from the consequences of his actions.

Which would be unacceptable but more acceptable for anyone BUT the President of the country.

All these assholes are doing is paving the way for lawless dictator style presidents in the future who aren't beholden to the laws WE have to obey.

I criticize President Trump daily on these forums. I am very disappointed in his failure to build the wall, his failure to significantly increase deportations, and to make a serious effort to cut government spending. How can you be so sloppy as to accuse me of being a pro-Trump partisan?

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I criticize President Trump daily on these forums. I am very disappointed in his failure to build the wall, to significantly increase deportations, and to make a serious effort to cut government spending. How can you be so sloppy as to accuse me of being a Trump partisan?

Sorry, sorry.

 

[waiguoren]

lol at Hannity, "these tactics are Un-American"...

 

[waiguoren]

 

[waiguoren]

It strains credulity to think that Russia wouldn't ask for and get something for the hack, actually. Especially since it was someone that had a kind of dependent relationship on them before the campaign even started.

This is probably the most interesting disagreement I've found between you and me. I think the probability of Trump and Putin having a quid pro quo exchange for the DNC hack is less than 1%. What are the chances in your eyes?

 

[waiguoren]

 

[andnowweknow]

This dipshit just wants the spotlight and wants to defend Trump when the walls come crashing down.

 

[waiguoren]

This dipshit just wants the spotlight and wants to defend Trump when the walls come crashing down.

I have noted that you made no attempt to refute any of his arguments.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

This is probably the most interesting disagreement I've found between you and me. I think the probability of Trump and Putin having a quid pro quo exchange for the DNC hack is less than 1%. What are the chances in your eyes?

I used to think so as well.
But where there's smoke, it is said, there's fire.
And Trump's been a walking inferno since taking office. The more we find out about his funding and best people , the more likely it looks.

 

[Damien Karras]

The searches were not unlawful though

 

[waiguoren]

I used to think so as well.
But where there's smoke, it is said, there's fire.
And Trump's been a walking inferno since taking office. The more we find out about his funding and best people , the more likely it looks.

How would you cap the chances?