fat burners

Discussion in 'Dieting / Supplement Discussion' started by dpo628, Oct 12, 2005.

  1. dpo628

    dpo628 Yellow Belt

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    Hey all. Do any of you know if any of the "fat burner" pills(stacker 2 etc..) on the market really work? Or are they glorified caffine pills? I am looking to take something during my workouts(BJJ class) that will help with fat loss. Thanks
     
  2. Chad Hamilton

    Chad Hamilton Amateur Fighter

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    Make your own...like me.

    Ephedra
    Caffeine
    Aspirin

    Mortar and pestle and some 00 gelatin caps.
     
  3. muaythaifolife

    muaythaifolife Blue Belt

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    Where do you get the ingredients from?
     
  4. Ian Coe

    Ian Coe Silver Belt Professional Fighter

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    I've heard nothing but bad things with aspirin in the EC stack, what are your reasons for keeping it in there?

    you can get them from 1fast400.com
     
  5. Qester

    Qester Guest

    Sure you can use a stack or a fat burner, but now that the key ingrediant is banned why not just go harder during practices?
     
  6. Terumo

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    Adding aspirin to an EC stack will extend the half-lives of both compounds in the bloodstream by binding to receptors that ordinarily begin the oxidation pathway for xanthines and amphetamines. However, this isn't really necessary--if you are supplementing BID, or more often, the clearance curves for EC fit pretty nicely. Plus, I'd rather be able to easily clear the drugs at the end of the day so as not to affect sleep. On top of that, if you are training a martial art, you are probably going to keep cut or have nosebleeds from time-to-time. Aspirin is a fairly potent anti-coagulant. Even 81mg aspirin make stopping a nosebleed (for me) ridiculously more difficult.
     
  7. Ian Coe

    Ian Coe Silver Belt Professional Fighter

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    agreed, that was a reason (bruising actually) why I don't take aspirin in the EC stack when i do take it, I was just looking for chads reasoning.


    I didn't know about the extention of half life to be honest, thats a new one on me.
    Could you define BID please

    When you say clearance curves for EC fit nicely, an you elaborate on this please.
    I assume the affecting sleep comment is to do with the caffine being in higher concentrations for longer.
     
  8. Terumo

    Terumo Orange Belt

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    Yes, that was the intended purpose of including salicylic acid in EC combos. It works well for that purpose, but it seems to be unneeded. I guess the marketing guys just thought that ECA sounded cooler than EC.

    Sorry about that. "BID" is just pharmacology shorthand for 2x/day. Bis in die.

    Whenever a drug is being tested, serum levels of the drug are monitored at frequent timepoints of several individuals. The clearance curve is simply the graph plot of how the drug is eliminated. It is a log base-2 function. The half-times (I don't like using the term "half-life," as I consider it to be reserved for radioactive decay.) of caffeine and ephedrine are 3-5 hours and 6-8 hours, respectively. Administration of a low-dose aspirin with this combination can extend the half-time of caffeine to 5-7 hours, and 8-9 hours for ephedrine.

    Exactly. Don't forget the ephedrine, also. Ephedrine is actually longer-lived in the bloodstream than caffeine.
     
  9. Danielsan

    Danielsan Yellow Belt

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    you know all thowse drugs and caffines will get the job done but if you dont use it and work harder then you wont have to worry about wearing your muscles down quite as fast, because when you are taking them your muscles are under more stress then when you work out and your body will most likely burn out in a few days, its happened to me and it sucks
     
  10. Terumo

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    Not to be a jerk, but I have read this three times, and I cannot understand what you are trying to say.
     
  11. Michael Wanaka

    Michael Wanaka Amateur Fighter

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    Yeah, or if you get in a car accident and get a bad cut or internal bleeding, there's no way to really stop the bleeding if you're taking aspirin.
     
  12. Madmick

    Madmick Cerebrage Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Terumo, as I understood it, aspirin decreases the blood's proclivity to adhere to the vessel walls, and since the risks of ephedrine (as was recently revealed in two separate studies- I don't have them) are greatest to those with pre-existing heart blockages and higher blood pressure, it is theorized that adding aspirin will decrease the probability of heart failure.
     
  13. Ian Coe

    Ian Coe Silver Belt Professional Fighter

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    I see, thanks for the feed back (and some of the laymens terms :redface: )

    I didn't realise the difference of 'half lifes' of caffine and effy was of the order of 150%, you learn something new all the time.

    Your name has been mentally noted :D
     
  14. Chad Hamilton

    Chad Hamilton Amateur Fighter

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    I've read the studies on the half life extension for about 5 years now.

    I know it works, first-hand.
     
  15. Chad Hamilton

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    I think he may be attempting to describe something like adrenal burnout.

    Perhaps?
     
  16. Ian Coe

    Ian Coe Silver Belt Professional Fighter

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    You'll notice that when I wrote that reply I knew nothing of half life extention.

    So all I can say is....fair enough
     
  17. Terumo

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    That must be a long study. That, or you just read very slowly.

    Just joking. Sorry--couldn't resist.
     
  18. Chad Hamilton

    Chad Hamilton Amateur Fighter

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    I know.

    Trial and error has brought me many riches.
     
  19. Chad Hamilton

    Chad Hamilton Amateur Fighter

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    It's taken that long to absorb thru the cloud of THC.
     
  20. steroid-doc

    steroid-doc Purple Belt

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    eca works brilliant for me(using ephedrine hydrachloride) , not really as a fat burner

    But if your dieting and low on energy the CNS stimulation gives you energy , also it kill hunger pains and reduces apetite very well . But if your looking for something that will burn fat while you keep your diet the same and enrgy expenditure the same then it probably wont do a great lot . Ive absoloutley hammered the stuff at times taking around 500-700 mg per day and did suffer some side effects while taking it at that dose , but ive got nothing to sugest from blood test results that theres any permanent damage
     

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