Hey all. Do any of you know if any of the "fat burner" pills(stacker 2 etc..) on the market really work? Or are they glorified caffine pills? I am looking to take something during my workouts(BJJ class) that will help with fat loss. Thanks
Chad Hamilton said:Make your own...like me.
Ephedra
Caffeine
Aspirin
Mortar and pestle and some 00 gelatin caps.
Ian1983 said:I've heard nothing but bad things with aspirin in the EC stack, what are your reasons for keeping it in there?
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Ian1983 said:I didn't know about the extention of half life to be honest, thats a new one on me.
Sorry about that. "BID" is just pharmacology shorthand for 2x/day. Bis in die.Ian1983 said:Could you define BID please.
Whenever a drug is being tested, serum levels of the drug are monitored at frequent timepoints of several individuals. The clearance curve is simply the graph plot of how the drug is eliminated. It is a log base-2 function. The half-times (I don't like using the term "half-life," as I consider it to be reserved for radioactive decay.) of caffeine and ephedrine are 3-5 hours and 6-8 hours, respectively. Administration of a low-dose aspirin with this combination can extend the half-time of caffeine to 5-7 hours, and 8-9 hours for ephedrine.Ian1983 said:When you say clearance curves for EC fit nicely, an you elaborate on this please.
Exactly. Don't forget the ephedrine, also. Ephedrine is actually longer-lived in the bloodstream than caffeine.Ian1983 said:I assume the affecting sleep comment is to do with the caffine being in higher concentrations for longer.
Danielsan said:you know all thowse drugs and caffines will get the job done but if you dont use it and work harder then you wont have to worry about wearing your muscles down quite as fast, because when you are taking them your muscles are under more stress then when you work out and your body will most likely burn out in a few days, its happened to me and it sucks
Terumo said:Adding aspirin to an EC stack will extend the half-lives of both compounds in the bloodstream by binding to receptors that ordinarily begin the oxidation pathway for xanthines and amphetamines. However, this isn't really necessary--if you are supplementing BID, or more often, the clearance curves for EC fit pretty nicely. Plus, I'd rather be able to easily clear the drugs at the end of the day so as not to affect sleep. On top of that, if you are training a martial art, you are probably going to keep cut or have nosebleeds from time-to-time. Aspirin is a fairly potent anti-coagulant. Even 81mg aspirin make stopping a nosebleed (for me) ridiculously more difficult.
Terumo said:Yes, that was the intended purpose of including salicylic acid in EC combos. It works well for that purpose, but it seems to be unneeded. I guess the marketing guys just thought that ECA sounded cooler than EC.
Sorry about that. "BID" is just pharmacology shorthand for 2x/day. Bis in die.
Whenever a drug is being tested, serum levels of the drug are monitored at frequent timepoints of several individuals. The clearance curve is simply the graph plot of how the drug is eliminated. It is a log base-2 function. The half-times (I don't like using the term "half-life," as I consider it to be reserved for radioactive decay.) of caffeine and ephedrine are 3-5 hours and 6-8 hours, respectively. Administration of a low-dose aspirin with this combination can extend the half-time of caffeine to 5-7 hours, and 8-9 hours for ephedrine.
Exactly. Don't forget the ephedrine, also. Ephedrine is actually longer-lived in the bloodstream than caffeine.
Ian1983 said:I've heard nothing but bad things with aspirin in the EC stack, what are your reasons for keeping it in there?
you can get them from 1fast400.com
Terumo said:Not to be a jerk, but I have read this three times, and I cannot understand what you are trying to say.
Chad Hamilton said:I've read the studies on the half life extension for about 5 years now.
I know it works, first-hand.
Chad Hamilton said:I've read the studies on the half life extension for about 5 years now.
Ian1983 said:You'll notice that when I wrote that reply I knew nothing of half life extention.
So all I can say is....fair enough
Terumo said:That must be a long study. That, or you just read very slowly.
Just joking. Sorry--couldn't resist.