Fat BJJ guys

[Grok]

fat guy here: 6'4" and 245

I hate when people say big guy jiu jitsu is lazy, or weight dependant or lacking technique. That couldn't be more wrong. Because I know I have a size advantage I work that much harder on my technique so I can hit moves with skill and not just muscle. I work on inverted techniques, leg drags and tornado sweeps.

My pressure is not oppresive because I am a big guy. My pressure is oppresive because I worked hard on it, applying detailed concepts to be as heavy and pressure laddened as possible. A big fat guy laying on you is not the same as a big guy who knows how to use the presh.

Big jiu jitsu pratcioners have it the worst. Roll light against a little guy and they can brag about taking it to the big guy. School someone with technique and they say you can only do things because you have a size advantage. I didn't kata juji jime you because of my size, but rather because my technique was inescapable.

If Sherdog had a "like" option, I'd use it on this.

 

[The K1000]

I hear this a lot. Your size does help you quite a bit. Yeah, you may have technique also, but size does help. A lot.

Im fat. But once I lost a bunch of weight, and only then realized how much my weight was helping me. It helps a shitload.

That said, you can't expect a big man to use small guy moves and I don't think it is any less technical to have a plodding pressure game. You have the best game for your body. But let's not act like size is not an advantage, it is a huge advantage.

^^^This.

Size in general is an big advantage, to get into position to attack smaller individuals have to maneuver more for a larger person. Taller/heavier grapplers have an undeniable advantage, there's a reason 9/10 it's heavyweight and above winning absolute divisions.

 

[Leify]

That said, you can't expect a big man to use small guy moves

It should be expected.

To me, it's as ridiculous as a small guy saying, "Oh, I don't use pressure, that's something for heavyweights."

 

[sb413197]

yeah it sucks. the fatties at my gym always do fat guy moves too. Lol its always a kimura or a north south choke

North south choke is most definitely NOT a "big guy move" - Marcelo Garcia has the best north south choke in the world and he's not exactly a monster - it's very finicky with position and pressure distribution etc.

Kimura some people say requires some strength although it definitely can have a lot of technique to it (and definitely requires a lot of technique to catch good grapplers)

 

[dmwalking]

Any of you know some fat BJJ players from your club? I'm talking like Roy Nelson fat or even fatter.

Some fat dudes move gracefully on the mat.

I'm not Big country fat, but I am like Daniel Cormier/Old Fedor fat. Not sure if that counts. I've been told I roll like a lightweight. Probably the biggest compliment I can get.

 

[Rod1]

^^^This.

Size in general is an big advantage, to get into position to attack smaller individuals have to maneuver more for a larger person. Taller/heavier grapplers have an undeniable advantage, there's a reason 9/10 it's heavyweight and above winning absolute divisions.

I dont think being fat or muscular is an advantage, being tall and strong for your weight is.

I used to be far better when i was 90kg with only judo background than when i was 115kg with a 2 years BJJ experience. I can say im better right now because i have far more experience, but if i had the bodyweight i had when i was competing in judo my game would be far better.

 

[armtriangle]

It should be expected.

To me, it's as ridiculous as a small guy saying, "Oh, I don't use pressure, that's something for heavyweights."

Eh. You use the moves that are the most efficient for your body and the guys you fight. Some moves don't work as well against a big guy and so there is no reason to do them. Also, you lose some mobility with size, that's just the way the human body works.

Saying that we should all do the same moves regardless of body style or weight is kinda silly. And to the point, there are plenty of guys out there that avoid "heavyweight moves" like the kimura or americana.

 

[berimBOWLoh]

Some fat guys can be really fast and have excellent cardio.

Karl Malone was one of those guys during his basketball career. Fat man, but great athlete.

Karl Malone?? lol i wanna be "fat" like him then.

 

[Leify]

Eh. You use the moves that are the most efficient for your body and the guys you fight. Some moves don't work as well against a big guy and so there is no reason to do them. Also, you lose some mobility with size, that's just the way the human body works.

Saying that we should all do the same moves regardless of body style or weight is kinda silly. And to the point, there are plenty of guys out there that avoid "heavyweight moves" like the kimura or americana.

I think you can see at the upper levels of the heavyweight divisions that "small man" techniques like inversions, mobility passing, etc do work, and work well when done properly. There are always adjustments for weight and body dimensions, whether light or heavy, and preference. For example, I invert a fair bit at ultra heavy, but it's much closer to how Cyborg and Buchecha do so than Keenan or Hall.

And it's not that we should all do the same techniques; everyone has their game that's a distillation of their whole skillset. I still think too many big guys at the lower levels get a pass on their game because they can get away with smashing people with the same "lay on you in half guard to side control kimura/americana" style that eventually comes up lacking. To me, that's lazy jiu jitsu, but I can understand the appeal as a big guy who used to be guilty of it.

 

[armtriangle]

I think you can see at the upper levels of the heavyweight divisions that "small man" techniques like inversions, mobility passing, etc do work, and work well when done properly. There are always adjustments for weight and body dimensions, whether light or heavy, and preference. For example, I invert a fair bit at ultra heavy, but it's much closer to how Cyborg and Buchecha do so than Keenan or Hall.

And it's not that we should all do the same techniques; everyone has their game that's a distillation of their whole skillset. I still think too many big guys at the lower levels get a pass on their game because they can get away with smashing people with the same "lay on you in half guard to side control kimura/americana" style that eventually comes up lacking. To me, that's lazy jiu jitsu, but I can understand the appeal as a big guy who used to be guilty of it.

I understand what you are saying, and i agree that a big guy has to have a well rounded game. But then, to me, that does not necessarily mean inverting, etc. But then, even Buchecha is really not that big of a guy.

Still I take your point, I just don't think there is anything wrong with avoiding certain techniques that don't work for your body or weight. And I don't think I should expect an UHW to be able to pull off a berimbolo. You might say that the real answer is to get rid of the gut and then it will work, and that is probably true for many, but that is a different topic.

 

[Kerr Smash]

We have a relatively fat guy that's been training forever, although inconsistently. He is freakishly good, though. It's been said that if he ever put on a gi, he'd be a black belt by now (my instructor said that.) I've rolled with him, and I'm a 300 lb dude with decent mobility, and he just crushes me, both with pressure and ridiculously good technique. Unfortunately (or fortunately for the rest of us) he's the anomaly.

You 300lb!? Don't mind me asking how tall are you?

 

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[BwamSolid]

Yes, every gym has at least one token fat guy.
They love showing up 10-15 minutes late to class, so that the rest of the class has already gone through warmups when they arrive. If you or anyone else do that a few times in a row, the instructor will say something, but he just pretends he doesn't notice when the fat guy does it.
The fat guy's speed at changing into his gi depends on how far the class is into the warmups. He does it slowly if they are still in the middle stages, and he does it quickly if they are almost done. He does about 30 seconds of jumping jacks off to the side as his warmup before joining the technique section of the class.

Holy shit this had me rolling (and i'm on the heavier side 220lbs) LOL

 

[mcdowels]

my first class i was paired with a fat slimy guy. i had to submit when he got side control

 

[n.diazismylife1999]

Yes, every gym has at least one token fat guy.
They love showing up 10-15 minutes late to class, so that the rest of the class has already gone through warmups when they arrive. If you or anyone else do that a few times in a row, the instructor will say something, but he just pretends he doesn't notice when the fat guy does it.
The fat guy's speed at changing into his gi depends on how far the class is into the warmups. He does it slowly if they are still in the middle stages, and he does it quickly if they are almost done. He does about 30 seconds of jumping jacks off to the side as his warmup before joining the technique section of the class.

Old post, but I hate this attitude of hating on people who skip warm ups for whatever reason.

They're WARM UPS. They're supposed to only help, to warm you up. If your instructor makes you exhausted with it, that's shit. If someone skips warm up, that should only be a negative for him, and nothing to be pissy about. If your warm ups are some kind of an instructor ego boost, then people should skip them.

 

[Dogstarman]

Old post, but I hate this attitude of hating on people who skip warm ups for whatever reason.

They're WARM UPS. They're supposed to only help, to warm you up. If your instructor makes you exhausted with it, that's shit. If someone skips warm up, that should only be a negative for him, and nothing to be pissy about. If your warm ups are some kind of an instructor ego boost, then people should skip them.

Your post made no sense. So we should not skip warm ups because they benefit us, but if they suck we should skip them?

 

[AK Gerard]

Old post, but I hate this attitude of hating on people who skip warm ups for whatever reason.

They're WARM UPS. They're supposed to only help, to warm you up. If your instructor makes you exhausted with it, that's shit. If someone skips warm up, that should only be a negative for him, and nothing to be pissy about. If your warm ups are some kind of an instructor ego boost, then people should skip them.

For starters, a good warm up session can help prevent injury. Also, everyone doing the warm ups together helps to build team atmosphere (just like when sports teams do warm ups). Personally I'll never be pissy about someone else missing warm ups (as you said, it's more negative for them than anyone else), but I can see how it bothers others.

 

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[SummerStriker]

I'm pretty sure I'll be the fattest guy ever to walk into the room. I'm easily over 550lbs. No lie. I have always been fat. Grew up in an out of a wheel chair for bone issues in my hips.

They've heeled fully now. And make me very flexible for a fatty. I look forward to dropping some weight and getting choked out.

Yeah man, that would be bad ass.

 

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