International Farmers shutdown London as UK Government looks to destroy farming sector

[A Very Serious Cat]

I think it would work fine if people took responsibility for their own health or didn't see a GP appointment as a weekly tradition.

When I was last in A&E, there was people hobbling over to vending machines - if you even want to eat whilst in A&E, let alone be able to move to a vending machine, then you shouldn't be in A&E.

My wife is pregnant and going through the nhs and it's a shitshow according to her. They have an online system for bookings and notes etc but only some things end up on there, other stuff they will insist on printing and posting to you and won't upload it at all. They have two systems and instead of picking one they're both done shit. If you're given a prescription at the hospital you must fill it at the single pharmacy in the hospital instead of them easily sending it to a local one to fill later, instead there's a que of sick people stuck waiting at this one shit place instead. That's just a couple of things that come to mind

 

[The XL]

The greatest threat to the UK is their own politicians. Not Russia

 

[panamaican]

The rich generally find a loophole or way around the tax and if for some reason they cannot. They will just offset the tax by increasing the price of goods or services that they control. Then the smaller people still get screwed over even worse as the tax break they could take advantage of is gone and they have to pay more for good or services from the rich.

But this tax break isn't disappearing for small people. Unless you consider 3 million in estate worth as small people...which I do not in most circumstances.

Anyway it's not that simple. The rich people who are abusing the tax loop hole are stilling driving up the cost of things for the small people by bypassing their tax responsibility, that shifts more of proportional tax burden to the small people.

It's easy to knee jerk reject something that seems to hurt the poor on the surface but I don't think the details on this one are that clear.

You'd rather rich investors buy up all of the farmland, consolidate their holdings and gradually push small famers out of business because they can't match the scale of their investor competitors. Meanwhile, while they're outcompeting small farmers, they're also taking advantage of a tool designed to help poor people in order to reduce their tax burden that provides services to those same poor people.

They're fucking poor people 2-3 different ways. The only question is how do you fix the problem without screwing too many people along the way.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Looks like UK needs a MUKGA movement

I keep hoping the Orange God-Emperor will declare Scotland the 51st State. His mother was born here, after all.

(And we have Oil )

 

[KnightTemplar]

This but unironically.

Fuck you. In the same context, old boy.

 

[KnightTemplar]

The greatest threat to the UK is their own politicians. Not Russia

Sadly, I can't disagree with this.

 

[Croo67]

Is there any way that we can get Cardi B to twerk for vegetables? Woke people might then eat them and realise the importance of farms.

If not, we’ll just have to wait until McDonald’s prices soar for them to realise farms being able to operate is kind of important.

 

[Spam On Rye]

Get in the pod.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

The whole NHS fallacy is becoming hysterical.

It gets record funding every year and still can't cope - because the problem isn't money; it's behaviour. There is zero accountability in Britain when it comes to health, people are able to eat themselves into oblivion - make no effort to lose weight - and still get access to NHS care.

If servicing and repairing cars was free, people would run their motors into the ground - but it's not, so they take care of them.

Just think about that - Britain is a country in which people take more care of their car than they do their own health!

A lot of the problem with government departments in general is wasting money through pointless outsourcing contracts that cost way more than if they just did things in house.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

I don't see the issue. In the US we have to pay a tax on anything we inherit from family, even immediate family.

 

[curryjunkie]

Ok, so farms are exempt from inheritance tax. This proposal would remove the exemption for farms worth more than 1 million pounds, adding back in a 20% tax on them.

However, estates worth less than 3 million are still exempt. So even if the farm is worth more than 1 million, if the total estate is less than 3 million, there would no tax. Lastly, the tax rate of 20% is less than the normal rate of 40% for land. The flip side is that investors are supposedly buying up farmland and that's problematic.

I don't live in the UK but that's a tricky one to decide on. It definitely still protects most farmers from any inheritance tax but I have no idea how much a burden it really is on the people.

The real issue is what do you do when a tax break created for regular people starts getting abused by the monied set? Do you continue to let the rich reap the tax benefit since no regular people get harmed or do you modify the tax break to try and put the rich back under the tax umbrella with as little impact as possible for everyone else while knowing it won't be perfect. Hard decision to make.

virtually everybody except rich fuckers with expensive accountants have to pay inheritance tax, but farmers have been exempt for decades, 80% of farmers would be unnaffected by this tax, its designed to tax rich fuckers like jeremy clarkson and james dyson who have been avoiding inheritance tax by buying farms, like all taxes there are some on the cusp whose holdings are large enough to be taxed, above 3 million quid ,allowing for wives and children to inherit. those who hit the threshold who are actual farmers get 10 years of no interest to pay the tax over that amount. of course the chuds and right wingers have leapt on it as a convenient way to attack labour,
by the way, a majority of farmers voted for shooting themselves in the foot by voting for brexit, and most vote tory, so as a result of 14 years of tory rule the coffers are bare, and money has to be raised somehow.
heres a list of landed gentry who own thousands of acres of farms and currently dont pay a penny in inheritance tax on it..

landowner ............. acreage
duke of buccleuch.... 268,618
duke of westminister...123,311
duke of atholl...............124,163
duke of northumberland..120,514

etc, etc, etc
this list is 20 dukes long, between them they own 973,000 acres...and pay zilch.
that doesnt include the king,
heres an article breaking down who owns what land in the uk

Analysis: Who owns Britain's farmland? - Farmers Weekly

Land is a finite resource, offering relatively stable, long-term growth, hedging and wealth preservation opportunities. But there has been a changing

www.fwi.co.uk

 

[650lb Sumo]

Is there any way that we can get Cardi B to twerk for vegetables? Woke people might then eat them and realise the importance of farms.

If not, we’ll just have to wait until McDonald’s prices soar for them to realise farms being able to operate is kind of important.

Get in the pod.

Time for your cockroach smoothie.

 

[curryjunkie]

Rich List billionaires scoop up millions in farm subsidy payments

Billionaires and aristocrats last year scooped up an even greater proportion of the UK’s biggest farm subsidy payouts, Unearthed’s latest investigation into the top 100 recipients of direct payments has found. Analysis of new government data reveals that one in five of the 100 largest payments...

unearthed.greenpeace.org

Analysis of new government data reveals that one in five of the 100 largest payments under the European Union’s “direct” subsidy system now go to people or families on the Sunday Times Rich List.


Direct EU subsidies – now known as “basic payments” – have attracted criticism for largely rewarding landowners simply for owning land, rather than paying farmers to invest in environmental or other “public goods”.

 

[Jon!]

A lot of the problem with government departments in general is wasting money through pointless outsourcing contracts that cost way more than if they just did things in house.

Too mundane for this lot.

 

[panamaican]

virtually everybody except rich fuckers with expensive accountants have to pay inheritance tax, but farmers have been exempt for decades, 80% of farmers would be unnaffected by this tax, its designed to tax rich fuckers like jeremy clarkson and james dyson who have been avoiding inheritance tax by buying farms, like all taxes there are some on the cusp whose holdings are large enough to be taxed, above 3 million quid ,allowing for wives and children to inherit. those who hit the threshold who are actual farmers get 10 years of no interest to pay the tax over that amount. of course the chuds and right wingers have leapt on it as a convenient way to attack labour,
by the way, a majority of farmers voted for shooting themselves in the foot by voting for brexit, and most vote tory, so as a result of 14 years of tory rule the coffers are bare, and money has to be raised somehow.
heres a list of landed gentry who own thousands of acres of farms and currently dont pay a penny in inheritance tax on it..

landowner acreage
duke of buccleuch.... 268,618
duke of westminister...123,311
duke of atholl...............124,163
duke of northumberland..120,514

etc, etc, etc
this list is 20 dukes long, between them they own 973,000 acres...and pay zilch.
that doesnt include the king,
heres an article breaking down who owns what land in the uk

Analysis: Who owns Britain's farmland? - Farmers Weekly

Land is a finite resource, offering relatively stable, long-term growth, hedging and wealth preservation opportunities. But there has been a changing

www.fwi.co.uk

Thank you, that's the kind of detail that I wouldn't know and it makes me feel much better about my take on the issue.

 

[curryjunkie]

Thank you, that's the kind of detail that I wouldn't know and it makes me feel much better about my take on the issue.

if you look at who is behind these protests and who is making the loudest noise about it in the press and online, its almost exclusively right wing. funny also that brexit voting farmers were crying the loudest about the loss of cheap agricultural labour from immigrants that they relied on and was a knock on effect of brexit banning free movement in the UK. that and the delays and costs for export markets and overwhelming rise in red tape trading in europe . perhaps they should have listened to all those pesky experts in trade who predicted exactly that before the referendum..

 

[Luthien]

What is it with communists and going after agriculture ? They just can't help themselves hu -.-