Fabricated robberies

[blaseblase]

This is subjective to the person. Your viewpoint here cannot be talked about as if you are making factual statements when you talk about what someone else thinks. As much as you may not like it, it is an opinion. There is always a narrative when it comes to someones perception. Perception” and “reality,” you will see that reality excludes perception. Perception is a way of understanding or interpreting things. Reality is the state of things as they actually exist.There are facts and there are opinions.

Even fights deemed robberies. I thought Jones did enough to beat Reyes but some thought Reyes won the fight or won it in such a fashion that he was robbed. At the end of the day that is their opinion, even with statistical facts or data.

So who or what someone deems a robbery will always be open to debate because an opinion is a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. I feel you are fighting in the wind but it does help to drop facts.

Jones/Reyes was definitely a robbery. They actually use that fight as an example to train refs.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Jones Reyes and GSP Hendricks

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

What a weird post TS.

Some of those are pretty clear robberies and some of those aren't even actually debated by anyone honestly. Pretty full of yourself as the sole arbitration of what is and isn't in a fight.

Literally no one calls the Usman vs Khazmat a robbery it should have been a draw but anyone thinking Usman won isn't up in arms.

Strickland vs cannonier is pretty clear robbery. People hate Sean style so are happy to say made up scoring criteria of "more powerful strikes" but if you actually know what should be scored there's no way Sean lost he outlands Jared every round, total significant head strikes is 126 to 57, overall significant strikes is 152 to 141. Neither guy is ever hurt or damaged so it should clearly go to the guy landing more and better.

 

[Portland8242]

Strickland vs Jared is another good example. A pretty boring fight where both fighters did not managed to fully achieve their gameplan. Sean did not drown Jared and Jared did not find a big shot. Jared edged it because of his power. Now that Sean is champ, soem fans are pretending he was robbed.

you didn't watch very close then.

Sean won that fight because he landed more. Judges are very stupid and count blocked shots as landed shots.

 

[Portland8242]

Strickland vs cannonier is pretty clear robbery. People hate Sean style so are happy to say made up scoring criteria of "more powerful strikes" but if you actually know what should be scored there's no way Sean lost he outlands Jared every round, total significant head strikes is 126 to 57, overall significant strikes is 152 to 141. Neither guy is ever hurt or damaged so it should clearly go to the guy landing more and better.

Strickland ending up with the title shot anyway down the road was justice for that robbery IMO. That should have been an earned title shot with a W over Cannonier.

 

[gentel]

Usman vs Chimaev

Legit robbery, should've been 28-28. 10-8 Khamzat R1, but then he slowed down with the broken hand (which Usman broke), and Usman outboxed him R2 and R3

Islam vs Volk 1

No robbery, only clowns blatantly biased against Dagestani grappling score this against Islam

Marlon Morraes vs Aldo

Haven't watched

Whittaker vs Izzy 2

Close but still decisive for Adesanya

Volk vs Max 2

Genuinely close in every sense but Volk 345 was the right call. Commentators were biased because Max is a fan favorite

Strickland vs Jared

Wish I could have watched but was out in the city and all the bars somehow couldn't put on UFC

Final note with Usman vs Edwards 2. Some fans are on crack and think Usman won lol.

I assume you're talking about Usman vs Edwards 3, because you'd have to be on a lot of crack to see Usman get slept and think he won

 

[RonDante]

Ok but like who does that? Who can do this live while watching a fight? If you need to go to that length, it's obviously debatable he didn't win.

Did you do the same slow mo and nitpick everything RDA did or only Colby? This is just a weird way of hindsight looking at fights.

Colby got TDs and was just as successful on the feet as RDA was. Neither landed anything overly meaningful standing and Colby edged out the grappling.

Seemed like an easy fight to score from what I recall, even though it was close.

No, he wasnt as successful on the feet. RDA blocked most of what Colby threw, that isn’t being successful. RDA was catching and pitching most of the fight, tuning Colby up. Colby essentially tricked the judges with his punches to the guard and shoulders, and you fell for it completely.

that “slow mo” and “nitpick” was done by me for the entirety of the 2nd round, I ALWAYS had RDA out striking Colby by a significant margin

what is winning? Is winning tricking the judges into giving you a round you didnt earn? What do you even consider winning? Why bother rewatching any close fight if someone like you can say “well what did the judges in a bad viewing location see live with no replay?” I suppose I can just smack the guard over and over and you’ll defend my fraudulent win becuase the judges cant be expected to see whats actually happening, right?

 

[Mga223]

Still think Max won the 2nd fight.

Honestly the fact he took the 4th and 5th off was crazy stupid.

 

[maximus__]

Still think Max won the 2nd fight.

Honestly the fact he took the 4th and 5th off was crazy stupid.

He took the 3rd off not the 4th and 5th. First 2 rounds were close before the knockdown which gave them to Max.
3rd round is clearly Volks and Max gave it away thinking he didn't need it. He stops doing everything that put him in a good position in the first round. Volk keeps that momentum and takes the 4th and 5th but Max does have moments. It's a clear 3,4,5 for a handsome looking Volk with hair.

 

[gentel]

Literally no one calls the Usman vs Khazmat a robbery it should have been a draw but anyone thinking Usman won isn't up in arms.

I am calling it a robbery, cause Usman earned a draw by winning the last two rounds. Anyone saying Usman won is delusional though cause R1 was a clear 10-8

 

[Goutfather]

i don’t agree with all your examples, but i agree people do this sometimes. it also happens in the opposite direction too, where a fight that was a clear robbery gets retconned into “a close fight that my preferred fighter edged.”

the biggest example to me was nick diaz vs carlos condit.

 

[OldBoy91]

i don’t agree with all your examples, but i agree people do this sometimes. it also happens in the opposite direction too, where a fight that was a clear robbery gets retconned into “a close fight that my preferred fighter edged.”

the biggest example to me was nick diaz vs carlos condit.

Lol. That wasn't even a close fight though. Condit won 4 rounds.

 

[Goutfather]

Lol. That wasn't even a close fight though. Comdit won 4 rounds.

i was very surprised to find that so many people said “diaz 1, 2, 5.” i didn’t see it as close either.

 

[BoomStronk]

Jones-gus, gsp-hendricks were both scored correctly.

Maybe we should remove judges altogether. You get three or five rounds and if nobody wins, you gotta come back next week and do it again. Repeat this until such time as there is a finish in the octagon, or one of the fighters isn't able to show up.

 

[OldBoy91]

i was very surprised to find that so many people said “diaz 1, 2, 5.” i didn’t see it as close either.

It just happens sometimes. Can't really explain it beyond people being fanboys or haters of certain fighters involved.

It happened with Leon-Usman 3 too.

Loads of people on Sherdog were calling robbery and talking about home cooking when it was a fairly easy fight to call. Edwards won 4 rounds, Usman won a round and with the point deduction for Leon it was 48-46. Lots of people calling it a robbery at least immediately after.

It hasn't stood the test of time like the Diaz 1 2 5 narrative though.

 

[maximus__]

Jones-gus, gsp-hendricks were both scored correctly.

Maybe we should remove judges altogether. You get three or five rounds and if nobody wins, you gotta come back next week and do it again. Repeat this until such time as there is a finish in the octagon, or one of the fighters isn't able to show up.

Interestingly Hendricks vs GSP was scored correctly at the time, but round 1 would probably go the other way under the current scoring criteria giving Hendricks the win. It wasn't a robbery, it was just GSP finally running into someone he couldn't outwrestle, so he had to strike more on the feet. The rounds he won, were much clearer than Hendricks rounds.

Hendricks just didn't stay down and landed some elbows against the cage and knees in the clinch. GSp landed a blast double, attempted a guillotine and was the one initiating every exchange in round 1, but people forget because it happened n the first 30 seconds.Hendricks landed some good damaging elbows and wasn't taken down, but that wasn't enough to edge a close round at that time in the UFC. Today the fact that GSP had visible bruising would have swung rounds to Hendricks.

Jones vs Gus was decided on a single spinning elbow. Jones whole career is 48-47 decisions after his initial run of ex champs.

 

[maximus__]

It just happens sometimes. Can't really explain it beyond people being fanboys or haters of certain fighters involved.

It happened with Leon-Usman 3 too.

Loads of people on Sherdog were calling robbery and talking about home cooking when it was a fairly easy fight to call. Edwards won 4 rounds, Usman won a round and with the point deduction for Leon it was 48-46. Lots of people calling it a robbery at least immediately after.

It hasn't stood the test of time like the Diaz 1 2 5 narrative though.

People were trying to say that Colby had success because of strike counts vs Leon not that long ago.

ANyone who watched that fight could tell that nothing Colby landed was of any significance, where as Leon had Colby so scared he wouldn't come forward at all.

Usman vs Leon was similar, with Leon being just a step ahead the entire fight. The irony of Usman's opponent having a point taken for a fence grab after his history with grabbing the cage was pretty funny.

Usman has committed a fence grab foul in all of his title defences.

 

[Banana Tree's Nemesis]

I can't remember but I felt like it was a stretch to give Whittaker 2 rounds. I thought it was arguably 49-46. Definitely 48-47 at worst.

Not that watching back is a great way to deal with this, but I've watched it back and I can say that I would score it the same way again.
I'm not calling it a robbery. I think 2 rounds each is reasonable and the second round was very close. mmadecisions is with me on this one, but to be fair, the people who submit their own scorecards probably tend to be in disagreement with the judges decision. Difficult to factor that in fairly, but I would say with decent confidence that a decision win to Whittaker wouldn't have deserved the tag 'robbery' either.

 

[loisestrad]

Jones whole career is 48-47 decisions after his initial run of ex champs.

Jones' fights after Gus 1:

Glover: 50-45, 50-45, 50-45
Cormier: 49-46, 49-46, 49-46
St. Preux: 50-44, 50-45, 50-45
Cormier: KO/no contest
Gus: KO
Smith: 48-44, 48-44, 48-44
Santos: 47-48, 48-47, 48-47
Reyes: 48-47, 48-47, 49-46
Gane: Submission

That's two 48-47 fights.

Discrediting fighters based on made up stats is weak shit.

 

[ferrisjso]

Machida v Shogun
Davis v Machida
Jones v Reyes


Theres a whole genre of fights that are considered robberies for a few weeks or months when passions are high that are not remembered as such. I don't think those counts. Remember Volk v Islam people lost their goddamm minds over that one.