Exposing the Grift: Go Woke Go Broke

[SuperAlly]

If entertainment makes you this angry and hostile I suggest you find more positive distractions.

Lol

Only you and deviante can’t accept that “entertainment” is making less money and “entertaining” less people since they stopped focusing on entertainment and instead on far left political messages

No angry here

Only derision and mockery

I was looking for more positive distractions. But social justice warriors ruined them by trying to foist politics into sci Fi

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

If entertainment makes you this angry and hostile I suggest you find more positive distractions.

It does not. This is INTERNETS.

 

[Loiosh]

Lol

Only you and deviante can’t accept that “entertainment” is making less money and “entertaining” less people since they stopped focusing on entertainment and instead on far left political messages

No angry here

Only derision and mockery

I was looking for more positive distractions. But social justice warriors ruined them by trying to foist politics into sci Fi

You think we're injecting politics into Star Wars and Star Trek?

Have you watched Star Wars and Star Trek?

And there are plenty of actual reasons the entertainment industry is struggling.

 

[Loiosh]

It does not. This is INTERNETS.

 

[SuperAlly]

You think we're injecting politics into Star Wars and Star Trek?

Have you watched Star Wars and Star Trek?

And there are plenty of actual reasons the entertainment industry is struggling.

Just because there are other reasons, doesn’t mean shitey far left, social justice warrior crap isn’t also a major contributing factor

I know it protects some of you and your political world view to pretend otherwise. But the stinking failure of Indiana Jones and the dial of wokeness, Star Wars, marvel, the acolyte etc etc etc is absolutely a rejection from the majority of the public of far left politics being inserted into entertainment

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Just because there are other reasons, doesn’t mean shitey far left, social justice warrior crap isn’t also a major contributing factor

I know it protects some of you and your political world view to pretend otherwise. But the stinking failure of Indiana Jones and the dial of wokeness, Star Wars, marvel, the acolyte etc etc etc is absolutely a rejection from the majority of the public of far left politics being inserted into entertainment

I would say old Trek did a way better job in advocating for socialism than new Trek does. The same way Indian movies do a better job with that compared to any American movie even attempting it.

 

[SuperAlly]

You think we're injecting politics into Star Wars and Star Trek?

Have you watched Star Wars and Star Trek?

And there are plenty of actual reasons the entertainment industry is struggling.

Post in thread 'AGATHA ALL ALONG (First Teaser Trailer, post #68)'
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...teaser-trailer-post-68.4208063/post-173646398

 

[AWilder]

They didn't wreck Star Wars, Andor came out and that was the best Star Wars since Empire. Is a lot of Star Wars garbage? Absolutely yes, for a lot of reasons. That didn't stop Andor from being fantastic.

If you want to make a lot of noise hoping someone hears you, listens and makes better shows and movies, I guess that's fair, but I don't think it will work. I prefer to savor the good stuff and ignore the disappointments.

bad batch was excellent. enjoying watching that one with my kid

 

[Loiosh]

bad batch was excellent. enjoying watching that one with my kid

Was it?

And is it complete? I was waiting for it to finish before starting it.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

bad batch was excellent. enjoying watching that one with my kid

It was excellent?What about it was excellent?

It is not hard to find prettier looking animation or better dialogue or more memorable characters in other shows.

 

[nixkid]

Yeh, not making a big deal of someone's sexual preferences is the opposite of being woke ya raging m*ngt*rd

Literally the worst example you could have made. Contradicts your argument

Woke isn't just having a female, black, gay, character

Woke is obnoxiously shouting at everyone before the show even airs how gay or whatever your show is. Rather than just making a good show that may or may not have a gay character

You're a bonafide idiot for making that point. As is any retard who liked your post.

He came out of the closet in 2005. It wasn't widely known that he was gay in the 60s.

But yes, Star Trek was very loud about its politics unless you're too dense to realize that an episode about an alien species that hates each other over minor physical differences is an allegory about the stupidity of racism. But to be fair, you probably would be too stupid to realize that based on your posts in this thread.

 

[GtehMVP]

You think we're injecting politics into Star Wars and Star Trek?

Have you watched Star Wars and Star Trek?

And there are plenty of actual reasons the entertainment industry is struggling.

Star Trek was the gold standard for progressive politics in tv/film.

The big difference with a lot of modern slop, including its own recent iterations, is that whatever message they had for the world, story, world building, and character were front and center.

I always think of Avery (Ben f'n Sisko) Brooks in this fan interaction about being a black captain.



Too many productions today are filled with writers who are either more interested in pushing their messaging first, or forced to by execs.

There's a serious lack of talent behind the cameras too. I think the streaming wars diluted the talent pool, with DEI requirements making it worse.

 

[Ruprecht]

Star Trek was the gold standard for progressive politics in tv/film.

The big difference with a lot of modern slop, including its own recent iterations, is that whatever message they had for the world, story, world building, and character were front and center.

I always think of Avery (Ben f'n Sisko) Brooks in this fan interaction about being a black captain.



Too many productions today are filled with writers who are either more interested in pushing their messaging first, or forced to by execs.

There's a serious lack of talent behind the cameras too. I think the streaming wars diluted the talent pool, with DEI requirements making it worse.

I thought the post-scarcity communist technotopia was pretty front and center in Star Trek, if somewhat inconsistent with the apparent military hierarchy of the fleet.
The "save the whales" message in Star Trek IV was also extremely preachy if you love whaling and hate biodiversity.

 

[AWilder]

Was it?

And is it complete? I was waiting for it to finish before starting it.

Idk if it's complete. I think it is. The story feels very similar to original Star wars trilogy stories. Good pacing for an action show, decent overarching storyline, individual episodes have pretty good stories.

 

[Andy Capp]

Star Trek was the gold standard for progressive politics in tv/film.

The big difference with a lot of modern slop, including its own recent iterations, is that whatever message they had for the world, story, world building, and character were front and center.

I always think of Avery (Ben f'n Sisko) Brooks in this fan interaction about being a black captain.



Too many productions today are filled with writers who are either more interested in pushing their messaging first, or forced to by execs.

There's a serious lack of talent behind the cameras too. I think the streaming wars diluted the talent pool, with DEI requirements making it worse.

I was with you until the "DEI requirements" part. Sigh.

 

[Hog-train]

Is that why it's bad though? I can't gauge that based on your comment. Star Trek always had diversity intentionally. At one point I worked with almost that many LGBTQ people in a relatively small office. The last one I can't comment on, seems like obesity wouldn't be a thing in the Star Trek universe though. Outside of Picard S3 which was decent, I tapped out of Star Trek a long time ago when the writing went downhill. Edit: Unless you're talking about another ST series, I don't keep up.

Trans makes up less than 1% of the population so it's not realistic.

And no one wants to see fat ugly people as stars on TV.

 

[Ruprecht]

Idk if it's complete. I think it is. The story feels very similar to original Star wars trilogy stories. Good pacing for an action show, decent overarching storyline, individual episodes have pretty good stories.

Where's the allegory? The original Star Wars was supposedly an allegory for the Vietnam War, with America as the Empire. Of course Lucas had changed by the time Return of the Jedi was being shot. The Ewoks and licenced Kenner dolls representing his "evolution". Interesting to chart his film making from THX1138's anti-consumerism to purveyor of vacuous consumption.

 

[GtehMVP]

I thought the post-scarcity communist technotopia was pretty front and center in Star Trek, if somewhat inconsistent with the apparent military hierarchy of the fleet.
The "save the whales" message in Star Trek IV was also extremely preachy if you love whaling and hate biodiversity.

This is why I loved Deep Space 9, took the shine off the commie utopia. It always bothered me in Next Gen with how smarmy they could be. It also forced them to try and deal with how the Federation's no currency thing clashed with every other major faction.

There's one episode in particular where Captain Sisko's son (Jake) and his Ferengi buddy (Nog) have to jump through crazy hoops to try and acquire a baseball card. There will aways be wants for things that are scarce.

I was with you until the "DEI requirements" part. Sigh.

I don't see why, it's clearly helping to affect things in a negative way.

 

[Ruprecht]

This is why I loved Deep Space 9, took the shine off the commie utopia. It always bothered me in Next Gen with how smarmy they could be. It also forced them to try and deal with how the Federation's no currency thing clashed with every other major faction.

There's one episode in particular where Captain Sisko's son (Jake) and his Ferengi buddy (Nog) have to jump through crazy hoops to try and acquire a baseball card. There will aways be wants for things that are scarce.

I'm not really big on character driven serials. I mostly like hard scifi which focuses on specific aspects of technological development and the sort of social changes it could bring.
I don't mind space opera, but the closer it gets to fantasy with psychic powers and/or neofeudalism, the less interesting I tend to find it. More so as I've gotten older (I read some fantasy novels as a kid).
I'm also not a big fan of the Guardians of the Galaxy or Firefly style of "band of space misfits" and flippant dialogue, and I've definitely outgrown Young Adult fiction and coming of age novels.

Even as an 8 year old I rolled my eyes at Star Trek IV. Still enjoyed it, but "The Future" coming back to tell us how stupid we were about whales, money and medicine was still pretty corny compared to what I was reading at the time (mostly Gibson's Neuromancer and Count Zero, Vinge's The Peace War, Asimov's Foundation and Earth and Hughes' Devil On My Back). Although that was generally the case with movies versus novels, and it was better than D.A.R.Y.L. about on par with Flight of the Navigator, but not as fun as Short Circuit.

 

[AWilder]

Where's the allegory? The original Star Wars was supposedly an allegory for the Vietnam War, with America as the Empire. Of course Lucas had changed by the time Return of the Jedi was being shot. The Ewoks and licenced Kenner dolls representing his "evolution". Interesting to chart his film making from THX1138's anti-consumerism to purveyor of vacuous consumption.

I don't really care about all that. Star wars is objectively silly and bad. I just ignore all that and try to be entertained. If I'm entertained it's ok-good. Bad batch was entertaining, ymmv.