Exposing the Grift: Go Woke Go Broke

[Deorum]

Hope you had a good ride sweetie

Ain't got nothin' on CAPTAIN FREEDOM'S workout.

 

[SuperAlly]

Ubisoft didn't even bothered to panic wrestle and blame western gamers who were just using google translate to trash the game. They just straight up quit.

They definitely didn't fuck up here though, it's just "right wing grifters"

 

[SuperAlly]

I mean, who are you even talking about? House of the dragon?

Who's wearing a woke blanket? What?

Go a couple of posts up from the one you quoted to start this nonsense.

Siver was trying to claim these same people accuse HotD of being woke when they absolutely do not and are quite positive about that show.

I get it. English isn't your first language so you struggle with reading comprehension. No biggy.

 

[SuperAlly]

I don't think so. I think if Aliens was made today there'd be people calling it woke but it'd probably still smash the box office because it's awesome. It checks A LOT of political boxes but it's really well made.

To be honest I think saying there's some subjectivity to it is a tremendous understatement. To even have this discussion I have to ask what woke is and I get no answer or a different one from many people. IIRC there was a thread after some conservative who wrote a book about it and she couldn't even define woke when put on the spot. Judging by Sherdog and snippets I see from social media it varies from people whining about identity, to complaining about race/gender swapping, to people who just seem to be mad at non-white characters, to blowhards like William who whine and incite divisiveness by calling out "the message" constantly and even straight up misconstruing scenes in shows and movies to push his "message", to people who just say they see clear and corny political messaging.

As far as those characters the internet was around back then so I can't say, plus, kinda to my point, those movies were good. As far as Furiosa I'm pretty sure I saw people on here complain about it/her and I remember rumblings of whining about Fury Road being feminist when it came out. People also lost their shit about a black stormtrooper which made no fucking sense at all. John Boyega was harassed (dunno how much in real life but definitely on the internets), it's common for black people though they don't always talk about it and I've never seen any evidence that racist/sexist/homophobic losers are the reason for a project tanking, but at the same time they do catch a lotta shit.

Edit: I gotta add in Barbie here. There was a meltdown about it but it still made shit loads of money. I've not seen it but heard it's good and the politics, wokeness or whatever was overblown which doesn't surprise me.

Rey/those movies and the LOTR series sucks. To be fair I've not watched RoP, looks like ass though. The SW sequels still made a shit ton of money though they fell off quick, with Rise making half of what TFA made. But again, dog shit. There were definitely white feminist politics in TLJ but that whole movie sucked a barrel of wangs for SO many reasons lol. Lil Johnson made a movie where everything was the opposite of what people wanted to see, on purpose. It was one giant fuck you to the audience from a little troll. I digress lol, anyway.

I agree with subtlety in story telling 1,000%, it's a great sign of quality. Diversity is more lauded and appreciated ever before which is why companies prioritize it, but if the story is trash and the people making it suck, it just comes off as ham fisted and paper thin liberal politics, which some companies/producers use as a shield when they put out dog shit, like with the new Charlie's Angels or The Acolyte, which is fuel for grifters like William and his cohort.

Completely agree with the character's on the nose exposition too, I hate that shit.

The dumb male character I've seen in Ghostbusters 2016 (I didn't watch it but that's what it looked like) but I haven't seen much, however I'm very selective with what shows and movies I watch these days. The white guy being bad I dunno about, white dudes being a big bad villain is nothing new (and white people are still the majority of the population with white men still being overall the richest and most powerful), the bigger change I've seen with with women and minorities being featured more often, more prominently, and more humanely as time goes on. Race swapping I've but not noticed as much as others seem to make a big deal out of, and from what I understand there's different Spidermans/womans and other characters like The Flash aren't a singular person. The queen of England one or whatever struck me as corny and amusing but I wasn't offended nor going to watch that anyway lol. I know The Witcher and House of the Dragon did that too, no one seemed to care much, though from what I understand The Witch has problems (that have nothing to do with that).

Quality defeats both "go woke, go broke" and "our/show movie failed because of hateful people! Men don't wanna watch movies with women in them!", statements that both seem to be categorically untrue IMO, or at least we can point to a lot of examples that suggest otherwise.

Did Furiosa not flop pretty badly. Defeating the central premise of your own thread.

"It's ironic"

 

[SuperAlly]

Both of these recountances are inaccurate. For example, per the Portland thread, I was accused of citing a budget figure for the Portland Metro area, but in fact, my figure was for the city only, which I then showed, plainly, yet those who were defeated on that point tried to save face over an objectively irrefutable fact by projecting an an assertion onto me through infererence which I never expressed. T

Of course, the only thing that would generate this level of off-topic ad hominem and animosity is the frustration of repeatedly losing debates.

It's funny watching Deviant-e spin losing arguments as wins like the special needs kid in class

 

[Yehudim]

Personally i always felt its not "wokeness" itself thats the problem , its that writing usually fucking sucks on average

Like heres some succesful stuff that can be considered "woke"

Expanse was diverse as fuck with characters of every race and sex yet S1 to S4 were peak goat level scifi and show overall was good

Arcane has female lead who is a lesbian and show is one of the best in recent years.

Original alien trilogy with ripley as main lead, strong female character written well

Sarah connor in T2,once again strong female lead written well

No one would have problem with galadriel in ring of retards if it was same character as in Lotr trilogy, but writing sucks so character is a moron and whoever writes it should be thrown into fires of mount doom

I actually watched Terminator 2 yesterday and it isn’t just about Sarah Connor, the scientist behind Skynet is black, she has her Mexican friends and there’s a lot of Spanish in the movie.

But it was an amazing movie, and even if it was not, they weren’t hiding by accusations of racism and sexism in case the movie bombed.

Plus, everybody knows diversity can actually be an asset because you can film scenes that you couldn’t do if the lead was male, like when that creepy guy at the psych ward licks Sarah’s face when she’s restrained, and the payoff when she kills him. Plus, the whole storyline about losing her kid (technically can be applied to a male lead, but not typically)

 

[Scerpi]

Ubisoft pulled out because their investors are currently in the process of trying to usurp the company from the Guillemot family. Not everything is tied to your stupid culture war. You should turn off the brainrot and go touch some grass.

https://aj-invest.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Ubisoft-Open-Letter.pdf

lol... What? Hahahaha... What a cope post

Ubisoft didn't want to be openly booed and mocked at a major game show. Which they would have been.

Try opening that thread in twitter and translating to english. lol...

Enjoy

 

[Deleted member 585708]

I actually watched Terminator 2 yesterday and it isn’t just about Sarah Connor, the scientist behind Skynet is black, she has her Mexican friends and there’s a lot of Spanish in the movie.

But it was an amazing movie, and even if it was not, they weren’t hiding by accusations of racism and sexism in case the movie bombed.

Plus, everybody knows diversity can actually be an asset because you can film scenes that you couldn’t do if the lead was male, like when that creepy guy at the psych ward licks Sarah’s face when she’s restrained, and the payoff when she kills him. Plus, the whole storyline about losing her kid (technically can be applied to a male lead, but not typically)

That's interesting, it partly shows when we watched old films before "WOKE!!!!" was a thing, we very rarely noticed inclusivity.

Inclusivity, if done well, has no need to be jarring. But if inclusivity is done well and is still jarring because of "WOKE!!!!" then I'm afraid we actually are into people simply commenting on skin colour - which is a massive regression from where we were 30 years ago.

But it's pretty clear that the wider "WOKE!!!!" crowd are very, very selective. If they like it, even if it's woke as shit, it's somehow not woke at all - like House of the Dragon which ticks a bunch of woke boxes. Colour is literally at the heart of the narrative, with silver haired and black haired offspring intentionally interchanged between families in order to remove the potential for a colour-based accusation altogether. Then you have a huge number of black characters who didn't seem to exist in Westeros in GoT for some reason (maybe there's a canonical reason for it, I don't know). Then, on top of all that, it's pretty clearly a 'fall of the patriarchy' storyline and all the most major characters are female.

If any of that is bothersome, I think it really is because some people are too well-trained to heed dogwhistle politics. But it's kind of undeniable that if the "WOKE!!!!" crowd decided they didn't like it, they'd use all those reasons much like they did with Rings of Power - and use them wrongly.

The whole House Velaryon being reimagined as black was a controversy for a few nitwits, but with George RR Martin actually being alive, they just had him say "that's how I imagined it all along" and they could give a big middle finger to the "WOKE!!!!" crowd who now pretend it wasn't "WOKE!!!!" at all mainly because they like the show.

Sorry, @Yehudim got sidetracked there bud.

 

[Scerpi]

I don't think so. I think if Aliens was made today there'd be people calling it woke but it'd probably still smash the box office because it's awesome. It checks A LOT of political boxes but it's really well made.

To be honest I think saying there's some subjectivity to it is a tremendous understatement. To even have this discussion I have to ask what woke is and I get no answer or a different one from many people. IIRC there was a thread after some conservative who wrote a book about it and she couldn't even define woke when put on the spot. Judging by Sherdog and snippets I see from social media it varies from people whining about identity, to complaining about race/gender swapping, to people who just seem to be mad at non-white characters, to blowhards like William who whine and incite divisiveness by calling out "the message" constantly and even straight up misconstruing scenes in shows and movies to push his "message", to people who just say they see clear and corny political messaging.

As far as those characters the internet was around back then so I can't say, plus, kinda to my point, those movies were good. As far as Furiosa I'm pretty sure I saw people on here complain about it/her and I remember rumblings of whining about Fury Road being feminist when it came out. People also lost their shit about a black stormtrooper which made no fucking sense at all. John Boyega was harassed (dunno how much in real life but definitely on the internets), it's common for black people though they don't always talk about it and I've never seen any evidence that racist/sexist/homophobic losers are the reason for a project tanking, but at the same time they do catch a lotta shit.

Are you making shit up? lol...

The last three Alien movies all have had different female leads... It's been the same since the first one in 77. No one cared because the movies were good. Well Alien 4 wasn't and 3 was questionable.

Outside of Twitter trolls, did people really complain that there was a black stormtrooper. I think most people complained because the movies sucked. And they did... (I did like the first one though). Now why did they suck? That's discussion that's been hashed over many times.

This issue comes in when they try to force a character to be "woke" or whatever you want to call it. Or its the background focus of a narrative

Could the female Ghostbusters been good? Maybe, but the movie sucked and got blasted. Some blamed the female casting, but the movie in general wasn't good.

Why did the "The Acolyte" tank? For me it was the same. But lefties are complaining that fanboys blasted it because of casting and "woke" story line. Nah, it couldn't have been that the show wasn't good and destroyed cannon storylines. Both sides use the "woke" argument as needed

They're already gearing up the defense of the upcoming Snow White movie. If the show bombs, the lefties will blame trolls. When in reality, if the movie is good, it'll do fine.

But ask yourself? Why shoehorn in a hispanic actress in as Snow White? Why? Because there's an agenda. But if the movie is great, most people won't even give it two thoughts once they've sunk into it. Personally, I don't care because I don't plan on seeing regardless. But I am interested on how it's going to do.

Mass Effect Andromeda was a shitshow... Some blamed the "woke" narrative... But defenders again blamed "fanboys" hating on it. But in reality, the game was terrible. There was a ton of criticism that the programming team was picked bases on gender and SJW ideologies. However, if the game had been great... no one would have given a shit.

As to Assassin's Creed... I really don't understand the choice of a black lead in Feudal Japan. From a developer position, it's a decision with minimal upside and a ton of downside. There's no shortage of historical Japanese figures they could have picked. They're likely going to lose a shit ton of fans in Japan because of it. Seriously, if you don't know their culture or have never been there... then you might not understand.

Maybe Ubisoft didn't understand or didn't care. Who knows. Maybe they're thinking there's going to be plenty of AC fans in western countries who won't give a shit.

And like I said above, if the game is awesome. It'll be forgotten and a non-issue a 2-3 weeks after release. I'm hoping the game is good, but I've been looking forward to a AC game set in Japan. These games are always amazing in the settings. And I'll look forward to just exploring and taking in the scenery.

But if the game isn't good... well... buckle up. It'll be Mass Effect Andromeda all over again. And a finger pointing shitshow

 

[Fedor>Cain]

The woke virus is currently infesting the Game of Thrones universe too sadly. One of the showrunners is a gay woman and they made the two Queens in House of Dragon have some kind of unrequited lesbian love story.

They literally made it lame and gay.

Lmao.

You are aware that original game of thrones had tons of gay stuff, correct?

You remember the knight that nearly got killed by the mountain in the jousting contest in season 1?

He was gay.

He had gay sex with Renly...who was gay.

You remember Reek's sister? She was a lesbo.

You remember Oberyn Martell? The guy who probably has the most epic fight scene in the series with The Mountain? He liked the gay sex as well my dude.

 

[Ruprecht]

That's interesting, it partly shows when we watched old films before "WOKE!!!!" was a thing, we very rarely noticed inclusivity.

Inclusivity, if done well, has no need to be jarring. But if inclusivity is done well and is still jarring because of "WOKE!!!!" then I'm afraid we actually are into people simply commenting on skin colour - which is a massive regression from where we were 30 years ago.

But it's pretty clear that the wider "WOKE!!!!" crowd are very, very selective. If they like it, even if it's woke as shit, it's somehow not woke at all - like House of the Dragon which ticks a bunch of woke boxes. Colour is literally at the heart of the narrative, with silver haired and black haired offspring intentionally interchanged between families in order to remove the potential for a colour-based accusation altogether. Then you have a huge number of black characters who didn't seem to exist in Westeros in GoT for some reason (maybe there's a canonical reason for it, I don't know). Then, on top of all that, it's pretty clearly a 'fall of the patriarchy' storyline and all the most major characters are female.

If any of that is bothersome, I think it really is because some people are too well-trained to heed dogwhistle politics. But it's kind of undeniable that if the "WOKE!!!!" crowd decided they didn't like it, they'd use all those reasons much like they did with Rings of Power - and use them wrongly.

The whole House Velaryon being reimagined as black was a controversy for a few nitwits, but with George RR Martin actually being alive, they just had him say "that's how I imagined it all along" and they could give a big middle finger to the "WOKE!!!!" crowd who now pretend it wasn't "WOKE!!!!" at all mainly because they like the show.

Sorry, @Yehudim got sidetracked there bud.

I'd seen the term "woke" being used in American fiction dating back to the '60s and '70s, but it was only 2021 I ever heard someone locally use the term offline as a reactionary pejorative.
Specifically the leader of the opposition party (Peter Dutton, which says it all) using it in regards to his intent to ban the military from having IDAHOBIT events (the "woke agenda"), describing those outside his electorate as "woke inner-city elites", and describing the prime minister as the "ultimate woke leader". More recently in regards to adding sexuality questions to the census (more "woke agenda", although he flip flopped on that).
Which I still attribute to social media, given the term's lack of local history, context and relevance.
Reactionary politics are nothing new though.

 

[Hog-train]

Lmao.

You are aware that original game of thrones had tons of gay stuff, correct?

You remember the knight that nearly got killed by the mountain in the jousting contest in season 1?

He was gay.

He had gay sex with Renly...who was gay.

You remember Reek's sister? She was a lesbo.

You remember Oberyn Martell? The guy who probably has the most epic fight scene in the series with The Mountain? He liked the gay sex as well my dude.

Yea but that was all part of the story GRRM wrote.

This unrequited lesbian love story is completely made up and inserted into the story for politics. They had to completely change the story arcs of two major characters from the books to do it.

GRRM even wrote on his blog criticizing the direction the series is going.

 

[Fedor>Cain]

Yea but that was all part of the story GRRM wrote.

This unrequited lesbian love story is completely made up and inserted into the story for politics. They had to completely change the story arcs of two major characters from the books to do it.

GRRM even wrote on his blog criticizing the direction the series is going.

What difference does it make whether GRRM wrote it or not? Lmao.

I have not watched HOD and figured it would be trash since GRRM did not write it. However, having gay characters in a GOT series seems pretty par for the course based on everything GRRM has written whether the lesbo storyline is trash or not lol.

 

[Hog-train]

What difference does it make whether GRRM wrote it or not? Lmao.

I have not watched HOD and figured it would be trash since GRRM did not write it. However, having gay characters in a GOT series seems pretty par for the course based on everything GRRM has written whether the lesbo storyline is trash or not lol.

GRRM wrote the House of Dragon story in his book Fire and Blood.

I have zero problem with there being gay characters. I have a problem with changing the story to insert an LGBTQ storyline for modern political reasons. It completely changed the story arc. The two women were mortal enemies in the books. They made them secretly in love now. It's just plain stupid.

 

[Fedor>Cain]

GRRM wrote the House of Dragon story in his book Fire and Blood.

I have zero problem with there being gay characters. I have a problem with changing the story to insert an LGBTQ storyline for modern political reasons. It completely changed the story arc. The two women were mortal enemies in the books. They made them secretly in love now. It's just plain stupid.

If they had inserted a storyline with straight characters instead, you would definitely not be complaining and screaming "woke" lol.

You are complaining about two separate things in one paragraph. A change to the story can be trash. GOT turned into an absolute dumpster fire when the original show runners ran out of material and it wasn't because "woke" it's because their vision sucked.

Will Smith wanted Tarantino to turn Django into a love story about the main character and his wife. Tarantino wanted the woke slave to murder the slave owners lol. I think we know which version is better.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Yea but that was all part of the story GRRM wrote.

This unrequited lesbian love story is completely made up and inserted into the story for politics. They had to completely change the story arcs of two major characters from the books to do it.

GRRM even wrote on his blog criticizing the direction the series is going.

GRRM almost certainly wrote that content for a reason, bro.

 

[SuperAlly]

The wokerati on here are awfully touchy about woke stuff being described as woke

 

[eddymotto]

what?

You are here joking around. Meanwhile I just saw on youtube that Kathleen Kennedy is planning on casting Furries as Ewoks in the next Star Wars movie and I just shit my pants in disgust and you may find it funny that they are destroying Ewok lore but I am stuck here with my pants full of shit and I am not laughing.

 

[HenryFlower]

You are here joking around. Meanwhile I just saw on youtube that Kathleen Kennedy is planning on casting Furries as Ewoks in the next Star Wars movie and I just shit my pants in disgust and you may find it funny that they are destroying Ewok lore but I am stuck here with my pants full of shit and I am not laughing.

 

[nixkid]

What difference does it make whether GRRM wrote it or not? Lmao.

I have not watched HOD and figured it would be trash since GRRM did not write it. However, having gay characters in a GOT series seems pretty par for the course based on everything GRRM has written whether the lesbo storyline is trash or not lol.

They completely made up some stuff and added it to a completely made up story. Thats outrageous.

Not to mention the fact that everyone knows that dragons only engaged in heterosexual sex. Lesbian dragons are complete bullshit.