Exposing the Grift: Go Woke Go Broke

[Confucamus]

Side note about Cameron

He's made two of the biggest action film franchises of all time (Aliens, T2) feature women.

Strong women no less.

Which I understand today this would be considered, well, you know.

What? You mean woke? Please explain how.

 

[Hog-train]

Avatar
- pro-environment anti-colonialism allegory
- industrial human colonizers as an evil force destroying indigenous land, society & culture
- glorifying an indigenous culture that deifies nature
- military being used as a tool for capitalism
- the primitive technology of indigenous tribe defeats the technologically advanced weaponry & resources of capitalist-backed military
- “Avatar is the highest-grossing film, and it’s a movie that’s asking you to cry for a tree.” - James Cameron

Avengers: Endgame

Avatar: The Way of Water
- pro-environment anti-colonialism allegory x2
- James Cameron: ‘Avatar 2’ Does Female Empowerment Better than Marvel

Star Wars: The Force Awakens
- Rey

Frozen 2
- girl-power fantasy
- anti-colonialism themes

Barbie
- self-explanatory

Black Panther
- self-explanatory

Star Wars: The Last Jedi
- legacy of Luke Skywalker tarnished by turning him into a limp-wristed wiener
- the tumor that would eventually lead to the death of Star Wars

There wasn't widespread criticism of any of these movies being woke except the Last Jedi - which was horrible and I'd say woke.

Thank you.

The significant disconnect with the subject is-

Opponents of woke, dont have a clear understanding of what it is nor what they are opposed to.
Which is why they cant cogently or intellectually explain what it is

"Has a woman with brown skin, woke!!"


I think at this point, its apparent what the true impetus for opposition and outrage is.


Even with that aside, they indict Disney for being "woke" regardless of an inability to outline what that is.

Yet this so called, "woke" company is by far he most profitable with their content.

A woke movie is easy to describe. Essentially it is a movie that is trying to push a political message which often results in poor storytelling and plot or casting an actor just due to their identity as opposed to their ability or how they fit the story.

These political messages often include issues like racial and gender equality, LGBTQ+ rights, and girlpower feminism. They're usually seen as heavy-handed or pandering by most viewers and just make the movies suck.

 

[HenryFlower]

There wasn't widespread criticism of any of these movies being woke except the Last Jedi - which was horrible and I'd say woke.

love the consistency

 

[Mack Yancy]

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Another one in the “it’s not bad because it’s woke, it just happens to be woke and bad” bin?

Funny how many products share 2 things in common that are apparently in no way correlated

Except when a woke movie does well, (Wicked, Barbie, Cpt Marvel, etc) you just stop talking about it and memory-hole the entire discourse.

 

[ermac88]

There wasn't widespread criticism of any of these movies being woke except the Last Jedi - which was horrible and I'd say woke.



A woke movie is easy to describe. Essentially it is a movie that is trying to push a political message which often results in poor storytelling and plot or casting an actor just due to their identity as opposed to their ability or how they fit the story.

These political messages often include issues like racial and gender equality, LGBTQ+ rights, and girlpower feminism. They're usually seen as heavy-handed or pandering by most viewers and just make the movies suck.

Thanks for attempting to define woke in this context, most opponents of it don't even try (or know) and it overwhelmingly seems to mean, featuring a non-white male character establishes something as "woke"
(But evidently Superman is woke too now!)


Most stories "push" or tell a political message. The most compelling creative narratives almost universally have identifiable social commentary be it film, literature, song even comics. Many people just arent aware of what they are consuming. Like idiots asking when did Avatar (the last air bender) Star Trek or even Rage against the Machine become "political"?


Even pure popcorn films like StarWars had a clear political message. When people say "political" it often means, commentary that makes them uncomfortable or above them.



If I understand you (correct me If im wrong) the criteria for woke is-

• Casting a non white male character
• Feels Forced
• "Sucks"

As we shared earlier from some of the most successful movies of all time, so called woke movies people cried about like The Force Awakens, were also critically well received in addition to being commercially successful.

barbie-

Black Panther

So if we rule out the subjective components of "sucks" or "feels forced" it basically means ethnicity and/or sexuality of characters.





Side note:

Also shared previously. The notoriously "WOKE" entertainment studio Disney overwhelmingly the highest grossing movies of all time-

 

[Hog-train]

If I understand you (correct me If im wrong) the criteria for woke is-

• Casting a non white male character
• Feels Forced
• "Sucks"

It's not casting a non-white male character. It's when they take an existing character who is white and gender, race or LGBTQ swap it.

It's like if they made Superman a Latina girl. It's so lame. Just make a new character.

Another thing is when they make all white and/or male characters a bunch of retards and females are perfect. It just makes a really shitty story that even woman don't wanna watch.

As we shared earlier from some of the most successful movies of all time, so called woke movies people cried about like The Force Awakens, were also critically well received in addition to being commercially successful.

barbie-

Black Panther

So if we rule out the subjective components of "sucks" or "feels forced" it basically means ethnicity and/or sexuality of characters.

None of these were considered woke other than Last Jedi.

Side note:

Also shared previously. The notoriously "WOKE" entertainment studio Disney overwhelmingly the highest grossing movies of all time-

Again - none of these films were considered woke until the Last Jedi.

 

[SuperAlly]

Thanks for attempting to define woke in this context, most opponents of it don't even try (or know) and it overwhelmingly seems to mean, featuring a non-white male character establishes something as "woke"
(But evidently Superman is woke too now!)

When you start with absolute strawman bullshit, no one is obligated to reply to your fantasist nonsense

 

[SuperAlly]

It's not casting a non-white male character. It's when they take an existing character who is white and gender, race or LGBTQ swap it.

It's like if they made Superman a Latina girl. It's so lame. Just make a new character.

Another thing is when they make all white and/or male characters a bunch of retards and females are perfect. It just makes a really shitty story that even woman don't wanna watch.



None of these were considered woke other than Last Jedi.



Again - none of these films were considered woke until the Last Jedi.

Barbie, making a feminist film for girls based on a popular girls toy - not woke.

Star wars - traditionally male geek franchise and trying to turn it into a Mary sue, force is female, acolyte fan fiction romance of shipping the evil guy - woke. It's very simple.

The phrase isn't make stuff that appeals to females/homosexuals go broke. It's GO woke, go broke.

Emphasis on go. Taking something that was one way and flipping it to something completely different.

No one is arguing against making thinga fot women, or even "woke, broke" l, they are arguing GO woke, go broke.

I mean nobody is trying to turn Cindy dolls into GI Joe are they. I imagine that would be similarly disastrous.

 

[ermac88]

It's not casting a non-white male character. It's when they take an existing character who is white and gender, race or LGBTQ swap it.

It's like if they made Superman a Latina girl. It's so lame. Just make a new character.

Another thing is when they make all white and/or male characters a bunch of retards and females are perfect. It just makes a really shitty story that even woman don't wanna watch.



None of these were considered woke other than Last Jedi.



Again - none of these films were considered woke until the Last Jedi.

Oh its explicitly when they change the ethnicity, gender or sexuality of a previously white character, THAT defines woke? Thats a uniquely different take on the word.

So like Nick Fury, Hemdeil, Valykrie, The Ancient One from Avengers. Those are examples of WOKE?
Is making a Supergirl character derived from a Superman character woke?

People are saying the new Superman movie is woke which doesn't meet your criteria.




You missed out sherbro all of those movies including most of the top grossing ones sparked outrage from anti-woke lot

barbie was one of critiqued by the vocal anti-woke cryers

Anti-Woke ‘Barbie’ Backlash Failed Miserably​

Anti-Woke ‘Barbie’ Backlash Failed Miserably

The right-wing backlash against the Barbie movie is one of the most absurd yet, sparking memes and mockery.

www.forbes.com

‘Barbie’ Largely Praised For Feminist Themes—But Draws Anger From The Anti-Woke​

‘Barbie’ Largely Praised For Feminist Themes—But Draws Anger From The Anti-Woke

Some conservative critics claim the feminist film is “woke” for its anti-patriarchal themes.

www.forbes.com

Right-Wingers Wrestle With "Barbie" Movie's 'Woke' Propaganda​

Right-Wingers Wrestle With "Barbie" Movie's 'Woke' Propaganda

When my twin sister and I were in the third grade, a large, wrapped present sat under our grandma's Christmas tree for at least a week before Christmas. My

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Ben Shapiro Sets Fire to Barbie Dolls As He Slams 'Woke' Movie​

Ben Shapiro sets fire to Barbie dolls as he slams "woke" movie

The columnist hit out at the film over failing to, in his opinion, cater to its target audience.

www.newsweek.com

I genuinely appreciate you trying to define woke, but the consensus doesn't align your definition, not through fault of you but the ambiguity of the term.

 

[SuperAlly]

Oh its explicitly when they change the ethnicity, gender or sexuality of a previously white character, THAT defines woke? Thats a uniquely different take on the word.

So like Nick Fury, Hemdeil, Valykrie, The Ancient One from Avengers. Those are examples of WOKE?
Is making a Supergirl character derived from a Superman character woke?

People are saying the new Superman movie is woke which doesn't meet your criteria.




You missed out sherbro all of those movies including most of the top grossing ones sparked outrage from anti-woke lot

barbie was one of critiqued by the vocal anti-woke cryers

Anti-Woke ‘Barbie’ Backlash Failed Miserably​

Anti-Woke ‘Barbie’ Backlash Failed Miserably

The right-wing backlash against the Barbie movie is one of the most absurd yet, sparking memes and mockery.

www.forbes.com

‘Barbie’ Largely Praised For Feminist Themes—But Draws Anger From The Anti-Woke​

‘Barbie’ Largely Praised For Feminist Themes—But Draws Anger From The Anti-Woke

Some conservative critics claim the feminist film is “woke” for its anti-patriarchal themes.

www.forbes.com

Right-Wingers Wrestle With "Barbie" Movie's 'Woke' Propaganda​

Right-Wingers Wrestle With "Barbie" Movie's 'Woke' Propaganda

When my twin sister and I were in the third grade, a large, wrapped present sat under our grandma's Christmas tree for at least a week before Christmas. My

pridesource.com

Ben Shapiro Sets Fire to Barbie Dolls As He Slams 'Woke' Movie​

Ben Shapiro sets fire to Barbie dolls as he slams "woke" movie

The columnist hit out at the film over failing to, in his opinion, cater to its target audience.

www.newsweek.com

I genuinely appreciate you trying to define woke, but the consensus doesn't align your definition, not through fault of you but the ambiguity of the term.

They're mostly saying superman isn't woke despite Gunn trying to pretend it is

But who needs facts and honesty when you have your extreme political ideology to defend at all costs

 

[Hog-train]

Oh its explicitly when they change the ethnicity, gender or sexuality of a previously white character, THAT defines woke? Thats a uniquely different take on the word.

So like Nick Fury, Hemdeil, Valykrie, The Ancient One from Avengers. Those are examples of WOKE?
Is making a Supergirl character derived from a Superman character woke?

Those are secondary characters. I'm talking main character. And race or gender swap usually goes along with a multitude of other changes in the plot that just makes it lame.

If they do a gender swap, the new female character is usually perfect and infallible. The typical girlboss.

No one likes to see girlboss characters - men or women.

People are saying the new Superman movie is woke which doesn't meet your criteria.

A lot of people have already stated the new Superman is not woke. I said it myself in the Superman thread.

You missed out sherbro all of those movies including most of the top grossing ones sparked outrage from anti-woke lot

barbie was one of critiqued by the vocal anti-woke cryers

Anti-Woke ‘Barbie’ Backlash Failed Miserably​

Anti-Woke ‘Barbie’ Backlash Failed Miserably

The right-wing backlash against the Barbie movie is one of the most absurd yet, sparking memes and mockery.

www.forbes.com

‘Barbie’ Largely Praised For Feminist Themes—But Draws Anger From The Anti-Woke​

‘Barbie’ Largely Praised For Feminist Themes—But Draws Anger From The Anti-Woke

Some conservative critics claim the feminist film is “woke” for its anti-patriarchal themes.

www.forbes.com

Right-Wingers Wrestle With "Barbie" Movie's 'Woke' Propaganda​

Right-Wingers Wrestle With "Barbie" Movie's 'Woke' Propaganda

When my twin sister and I were in the third grade, a large, wrapped present sat under our grandma's Christmas tree for at least a week before Christmas. My

pridesource.com

Ben Shapiro Sets Fire to Barbie Dolls As He Slams 'Woke' Movie​

Ben Shapiro sets fire to Barbie dolls as he slams "woke" movie

The columnist hit out at the film over failing to, in his opinion, cater to its target audience.

www.newsweek.com

I genuinely appreciate you trying to define woke, but the consensus doesn't align your definition, not through fault of you but the ambiguity of the term.

Meh. That's just a few grifters from the usual Youtubers trying to get clicks. Generally Barbie was very well received.

Last Jedi on the other hand was a horror show.

A good example of something that was woke was Star Wars The Acolyte.

 

[SuperAlly]

Those are secondary characters. I'm talking main character. And race or gender swap usually goes along with a multitude of other changes in the plot that just makes it lame.

If they do a gender swap, the new female character is usually perfect and infallible. The typical girlboss.

No one likes to see girlboss characters - men or women.



A lot of people have already stated the new Superman is not woke. I said it myself in the Superman thread.



Meh. That's just a few grifters from the usual Youtubers trying to get clicks. Generally Barbie was very well received.

Last Jedi on the other hand was a horror show.

A good example of something that was woke was Star Wars The Acolyte.

"Pridesource.com"

Come on buddy, ain't none of us buying what he's selling

 

[ermac88]

Those are secondary characters. I'm talking main character. And race or gender swap usually goes along with a multitude of other changes in the plot that just makes it lame.

If they do a gender swap, the new female character is usually perfect and infallible. The typical girlboss.

No one likes to see girlboss characters - men or women.



A lot of people have already stated the new Superman is not woke. I said it myself in the Superman thread.



Meh. That's just a few grifters from the usual Youtubers trying to get clicks. Generally Barbie was very well received.

Last Jedi on the other hand was a horror show.

A good example of something that was woke was Star Wars The Acolyte.

Nick Fury is a secondary character? Miles Morales and Gwen Stacey are secondary characters?

You do realize you are bending the definition to meet you own specific criteria?
It sounds like you are projecting your personal objections to a label other people are using for something differently

Just because you dont agree with morons saying Superman and Barbie is woke, doesnt eliminate their existing and/or perception. We have dummies right here on this forum that have said it.

I have not seen Acolyte.

You say race swapping white characters make something woke. What characters were race swapped in Acolyte ?

 

[Madmick]

LOL, we're trying to claim The Lion King is woke, now?

That's a movie famous for reinforcing the most conservative, traditional, family-centric theme in existence. The father becomes the son becomes the father: "the circle of life". Now Hamlet's woke?

 

[Hog-train]

Nick Fury is a secondary character? Miles Morales and Gwen Stacey are secondary characters?

Mile Morales is completely separate character from Spider Man. No one had a problem with him at all. In fact, everyone loved him.

Gwen Stacy is a supporting character and so is Nick Fury.

A more apt comparison would be if Thor or Iron Man was race or gender swapped.

You do realize you are bending the definition to meet you own specific criteria?
It sounds like you are projecting your personal objections to a label other people are using for something differently

Labeling something "woke' is an inherently subjective definition. It's like saying chocolate ice cream is better than vanilla. You can't say that's "wrong" because it's completely subjective.

Just because you dont agree with morons saying Superman and Barbie is woke, doesnt eliminate their existing and/or perception. We have dummies right here on this forum that have said it.

But the general overriding perception by the general public is that they aren't woke.

I have not seen Acolyte.

You say race swapping white characters make something woke. What characters were race swapped in Acolyte ?

No I didn't say just race swapping makes it woke. Just that it's a common component. For Acolyte, they didn't race swap but they did all this other stupid shit like lecture the audience on nonbinary pronouns, had a stupid girlboss main character had lesbian space witches, etc.

 

[SuperAlly]

You do realize you are bending the definition to meet you own specific criteria?

You do it all the time. A bit hypocritical to cry about others using the same tactics against you.

I have not seen Acolyte.

Convenient. The wokest star wars project in existence - "not seen that one".

 

[SuperAlly]

LOL, we're trying to claim The Lion King is woke, now?

That's a movie famous for reinforcing the most conservative, traditional, family-centric theme in existence. The father becomes the son becomes the father: "the circle of life". Now Hamlet's woke?

That guy posted a list of like the top 20 highest grossing movies (not most profitable BTW which would be more relevant) circled a tonne at random and claimed they were all woke. Literally the very first one he highlighted clearly wasn't woke.

But then he has a habit of starting arguments with a completely erroneous premise and expects no one to call him on it.

He just did it again with his latest diatribe where he says Superman is now woke despite the common opinion being that it is not (in spite of James Gunns weird claim; to probably try and generate attention).

 

[SuperAlly]

Mile Morales is completely separate character from Spider Man. No one had a problem with him at all. In fact, everyone loved him.

Gwen Stacy is a supporting character and so is Nick Fury.

A more apt comparison would be if Thor or Iron Man was race or gender swapped.



Labeling something "woke' is an inherently subjective definition. It's like saying chocolate ice cream is better than vanilla. You can't say that's "wrong" because it's completely subjective.



But the general overriding perception by the general public is that they aren't woke.



No I didn't say just race swapping makes it woke. Just that it's a common component. For Acolyte, they didn't race swap but they did all this other stupid shit like lecture the audience on nonbinary pronouns, had a stupid girlboss main character had lesbian space witches, etc.

It's like the guys who say Jon Jones was right to duck Aspinall because he wouldn't get credit from a very small proportion of the MMA fanbase - a minority opinion is not the majority opinion and so not evidence of anything.

 

[TUFNewb]

Mile Morales is completely separate character from Spider Man. No one had a problem with him at all. In fact, everyone loved him.

Lots of people had a problem with that character swap. Back then they called it PC not "woke". People said it was a publicity stunt, said character was inspired by Obama, etc. Others were happy to "finally have representation". It was basically the same as now but there was no online social discourse to get people who would normally not give a shit about comic books all riled up, youtube was just starting out so nothing to platform a cottage industry talking about it.

 

[Hog-train]

Lots of people had a problem with that character swap. Back then they called it PC not "woke". People said it was a publicity stunt, said character was inspired by Obama, etc. Others were happy to "finally have representation". It was basically the same as now but there was no online social discourse to get people who would normally not give a shit about comic books all riled up, youtube was just starting out so nothing to platform a cottage industry talking about it.

Meh a few Youtube grifters maybe. The vast majority liked the character.