I do think if he'd have just stayed in UFC, taken maybe 700 to 900k guaranteed as show money, plus PPV money as Champ, he could have made 2million+ a fight (approx). Fight 3 times per year (just take on allcomers) and that's 6million per year (gross). Plus whatever personal sponsorship money he gets, and endorsement money, and outside business interests. If h's SO GOOD then just fight 3 times per year.
Let's face it.... 95% of his fights are over in 2mins or less with ZERO damage taken.
ok now he has a knee ligament issue, that's unfortunate and I don't wish injury on anyone. But I do think that he'd have made more money just not pissing off the UFC and continuing as UFC heavyweight champ, than this 'Grass-is-Greener' idea of going into HW boxing when he has no specific boxing experience. They are 2 different sports. Francis just hasn't realized that, and I predict he might regret it if he goes boxing.
Sure he may knock a few people out but he's just not going to beat top-level HW boxers at all. He doesn't have the style or the endurance or the skills.
1) the UFC will agree to anything that makes them more money. Remember Conor vs Floyd?
2) the UFC doesn't let champs fight 3x a year usually, especially the ones that make a lot of money
3) in boxing you can pick your fights and Ngannou can make a shitload of money fighting bums and avoiding the top guys
Going through some threads, there seems to be some confusion about this.
Ngannou is ALREADY out of contract. He fought his last fight on contract, against Gane. The UFC have not been willing to offer Ngannou the kind of money that he wants in order for him to stay, and hence Ngannou has not re-signed with the UFC.
However, there is a 'championship' clause that automatically extends the contract for 1 year (or for 3 fights - whichever comes first). This gives the UFC time to renegotiate with their champion, without having their champion rush off to fight for someone else right away.
The extension clause expires in 1 year. Ngannou's management have executed their chess move brilliantly. Knowing that Dana would use the 1 year to bury Ngannou's name, like he does with everyone else - especially with the "Ngannou doesn't want to fight" move that Dana has used on GSP, Jones, and others... during their negotiations.
This way, Ngannou comes off as courageous - for fighting injured against Gane... and now has to get surgery.
Being out for 9 months means by the time he is healed, the extension clause is expired. Dana can't power play against his injured champ. So, Dana went for the management instead "We're going to get the deal done, we're going to meet and get it done". (Dana made this public comment)
Since Dana cannot attack Ngannou directly, Dana will attack Ngannou's management and make it seem like they are being greedy, and being unreasonable... and that he has already done everything he can to make this deal happen- Dana will probably say something like "you won't believe the amount of money we offered him. it's unheard of"... all to make it SEEM like Ngannou simply doesn't want to compromise.
How do we know this? Because Dana has consistently done the same thing for over a decade to his fighters. They ether roll over, or he buries them in front of the media.
Most recently, being the case of Islam where Islam volunteered to step up on short notice to fight RDA.
Islam had a stipulation for the fight that Dana didn't agree to - perhaps more money, for the risk he's taking to save a card on short notice?? That's not turning down a fight, that's having a condition for the fight. Dana is the one who turned it down. But nevertheless, fans are turning on Islam, who has also lost his title shot in the process.
This simply has always been the unfortunate case for fighters who don't give in to Dana White's authority.
Yes, basically the old contract extends itself for 1 year (or for 3 fights).
This is what Randy Couture tried to fight in court... he wanted to leave and fight Fedor.
I believe there was no '1 year' limit to the extension back then- I believe this was rectified and added when Cung Le sued the UFC, to prevent further lawsuits.
I never knew it was Cung Le that forced the change! I've been trying to figure out what happened in the years I stopped posting on MMA forums. Back then, the champions clause would keep people trapped forever. All of a sudden, the champion's contract is expiring and no one could tell me what changed.
I never knew it was Cung Le that forced the change! I've been trying to figure out what happened in the years I stopped posting on MMA forums. Back then, the champions clause would keep people trapped forever. All of a sudden, the champion's contract is expiring and no one could tell me what changed.
Did you know that this whole incident started because the UFC regulates themselves in some overseas places?
Basically they are judge, jury, executioner... they do the weigh-ins, the medicals, the testing... and yes, the reffing and judging.
This was the same case in Macau, where Cung Le fought a couple of times. They announced that Cung Le had tested positive for HGH... which turned out to be this whole mistake.
Cung Le had posted a photo during camp where he was super jacked and full of 'veins', and hence his opponent Bisping had requested extra testing.
Instead of going with a WADA accredited lab, the UFC went with some mom&pops lab, and they butchered the process because they collected samples right after the fight, or something along those lines. Basically someone from the olympic testing committee said that you can't test for HGH that close after a highly physical activity, because the body is basically super-pumping it... and it's not proof of exogenous HGH, and that it should be discarded.
But, the harm had been done, especially since fans were already skeptical after seeing the pic of Super Cung Le, from camp.
Lawrence Epstein, UFC man, rescinded the positive test and the suspension, but by then the harm was done especially the photo Cung Le posted definitely looked alarming. Epstein mentioned that after this fuck up, they would be looking for a 3rd party to conduct the testing instead, moving forward.
Cung Le obviously wasn't satisfied with simply having his suspension lifted... and decided to sue.
This was prominent is the UFC welcoming USADA on board to administer its testing... and of course, some other changes to fighters' contract.
Did you know that this whole incident started because the UFC regulates themselves in some overseas places?
Basically they are judge, jury, executioner... they do the weigh-ins, the medicals, the testing... and yes, the reffing and judging.
This was the same case in Macau, where Cung Le fought a couple of times. They announced that Cung Le had tested positive for HGH... which turned out to be this whole mistake.
Cung Le had posted a photo during camp where he was super jacked and full of 'veins', and hence his opponent Bisping had requested extra testing.
Instead of going with a WADA accredited lab, the UFC went with some mom&pops lab, and they butchered the process because they collected samples right after the fight, or something along those lines. Basically someone from the olympic testing committee said that you can't test for HGH that close after a highly physical activity, because the body is basically super-pumping it... and it's not proof of exogenous HGH, and that it should be discarded.
But, the harm had been done, especially since fans were already skeptical after seeing the pic of Super Cung Le, from camp.
Lawrence Epstein, UFC man, rescinded the positive test and the suspension, but by then the harm was done especially the photo Cung Le posted definitely looked alarming. Epstein mentioned that after this fuck up, they would be looking for a 3rd party to conduct the testing instead, moving forward.
Cung Le obviously wasn't satisfied with simply having his suspension lifted... and decided to sue.
This was prominent is the UFC welcoming USADA on board to administer its testing... and of course, some other changes to fighters' contract.
I remember that picture! I think this whole incident happened before I stepped away from MMA forums, because I remember the pic and the accusations. I think I even remember the positive test, but I don't remember any lawsuits. Thanks for explaining what happened!
You're absolutely right. The bout against Tyson Fury isn't guaranteed yet, but it's absolutely something Fury is aiming for strongly.
He even suggested that it would be the biggest PPV ever. Not to mention, that fight could net Ngannou around $50Million... which will likely be more than anything the UFC offers him COMBINED for 7 fights or so.
Like you said, if the UFC is willing to sign a deal which allows Ngannoou to go box, then that's a different story.
I highly doubt Ngannou is interested in that though. He would likely want to box Tyson Fury first, then take it from there.
And after? I don't know. Dana is one to hold grudges... Dana was even willing to miss out on Khabib VS GSP superfight, over his ego.
Dana simply didn't want GSP to fight for a belt no matter what, after Dana got out-played by GSP... in a game that Dana himself started. GSP was a great company man, and great ambassador for the sport.
GOOD just seems to piss Dana off. Not exactly sure why.
I don’t think the fury fight would be as big as suggested. Ngannou isn’t that famous to begin with, and the ufc won’t be behind the promotion as they were with conor.
Not sure if the ufc got “out played” by gsp…….gsp played his cards and they had consequences down the line……that’s not inherently ego driven…..it’s business……
I thought you meant employers were to make public what their employees make. Under an Presidential Executive Order, as well as various state statutes, one is permitted, without threat or penalty to inquire and discuss pay with one's co-workers. I interpreted "undisclosed pay" in the manner I indicated above. I still think it's good that one's pay would not be disclosed against one's will without legitimate justification. But the freedom to do so voluntarily is obviously desirable.
How can you know what your coworkers make without it becoming public information?
Again, almost all non union professions work this way. You want to find out if you are worth more than your current employer is willing to pay you, get a competitive offer somewhere else.
How can you know what your coworkers make without it becoming public information?
Again, almost all non union professions work this way. You want to find out if you are worth more than your current employer is willing to pay you, get a competitive offer somewhere else.
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