Excuses why Ronda and Cyborg won't fight each other

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  1. Enders

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    Excuses Ronda and her fans give as to why she doesnt fight Cyborg.

    1. Cyborg is to big.
    2. Cyborg used to say she couldnt make 135.
    3. Now that Cyborg agreed to 135, she might not make weight.
    4. Cyborg cheated.
    5. Ronda makes plenty of money without Cyborg.
    6. Cyborg isnt in the same promotion as Ronda.
    7. Rondas fight promoter doesnt have a 145 division.
    8. The public doesnt know Cyborg.
    9. Tate is better competition.
    10. Holm is better competition.
    11. It's bad business for Rondas fight promoter
    12. Ronda would easily beat Cyborg so whats the point?
    13. OMG Ronda like Pokeman!! Shes so amazing
    14. Cyborg is lying when she says she wants the fight, so why agree to fight her?
    15. Cyborg doesnt want to fight for Ronda's promotion.
    16. Ronda doesnt need Cyborg because Ronda is more famous
    17. Cyborg first has to fight another person at 135 before she fights Ronda.
    18. Ronda would be too fat to go back to 145.
    19. Cyborg is asking for too much money.
    20. Cyborg has not fought at 135 recently.
    21. Cyborg turned down the fight in the past at 135.
    22. Cyborg has screwed over Rondas promoter for years.
    23. Cyborg has screwed over her fans for years.
    24. She hasn't made weight yet.
    25. ???



    Excuses Cyborg and her fans give as to why she doesnt fight Ronda.

    1. Ronda won't fight her.
    2. ??



    For the record, i'm pretty agnostic on my fanhood with both of them. I dislike Rondas personality but I do think it's cool she like Pokemon and DBZ. I do think Ronda wins, but she doesnt get the credit for it till she does it. Same with Cyborg. If either wanna claim they are the best of their era they gotta beat the other. I just wanna see this fight.
     
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    1. Doesn't want to put in the effort to make weight.
     
  5. clayj

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    nobody is making excuses for Ronda except Ronda haters putting words in their mouths. The fight is offered to Cyborg the minute she can make 135. She makes the weight she gets the fight, the ball is in her court.
     
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    Cyborg doesn't want to lose the only advantage she has even though it was gained unfairly.
     
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    Lose the weight or shut up Cybro
     
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    Ronda don't want none
     
  10. clayj

    clayj Red Belt

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    Yep, Cyborg could easily make it but doesn't want to. Here is Cyborg weighing in at 140. She still looks pretty ripped and functional to me. With five less pounds off her quads she is still the biggest and strongest girl at 135.

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    Here is Cyborg at her natural size of a walk-around weight of 137. Yes, she weighed in at 137 with no cutting. She still looks pretty functional and healthy to me, even though she is almost small enough to cut down to fight JoJed Superstar.

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    So yeah, Cyborg could cut the weight, but doesn't want to. Here you can hear in her own words at 4:40 say why, it is because she has no desire to fight without having a huge size advantage.

     
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    I think TS is hypocritical on the subject
     
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    Well, Ronda's fans don't want the fight to happen and Cyborg's fans (if she has any) do want the fight to happen. Fight fans want the fight to happen but there are so many people that are emotionally invested and enamored by Ronda that they don't want to see their girl get hurt. Herein lies one obvious problem with WMMA thus far: 99% of the fans are men and when you combine good looking women, their integrity and desire for seeing the most competitive fights go out the window and they just want their fantasies to stay in tact.

    Ronda stated from the beginning that she wanted the fight but only wanted it when the odds were stacked considerably in her favor. If any male fighter were to say such a thing, they would be labeled a coward but this double standard that is going on makes it very easy for Ronda and UFC to get away with feeding her tomato cans. At this point the fight may never happen as the smoke in mirrors is working and the true fight fans are being drowned out: "why pay for the cow when you are getting the milk for free"
     
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    Cyborg demanded out of her Zuffa contract and a direct path to fighting Ronda Rousey in 2013 in order to sign with Invicta FC. It was a calculated, purposeful decision based not in Ronda Rousey refusing to fight her or the UFC refusing to make the fight, but instead on a plan to maximize Cyborg's monetary value to the UFC in future negotiations and gain greater leverage in negotiating the eventual fight weight. Tito Ortiz is on record explaining why they did it. In the end, it's all about money. The plan backfired hilariously. It's 2015, Cyborg still has no leverage, but the fact that they did it is the reason we've had no Cyborg/Rousey fight as of yet. Stop paying attention to Cris Cyborg's BS tweets saying that she'll fight Rousey anywhere, anytime, at any weight and for any amount of money. She won't. Learn the facts.
     
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    2. Cyborg can't make 135.

    And basically the reason the fight hasn't happened is exactly 2.

    Look, the UFC wouldn't even create a super heavy weight division for Brock Freaking Lesnar, by far the PPV draw they've ever had. They made him cut 50 pounds to 265. If they wouldn't create a SHW division for Lesnar, why in the world would they create a 145 pound division for Cyborg, who has one hundredth the fan base Lesnar had?

    People are unrealistic about creating new division; the UFC only does it when they think there's a long term market for it. Hence no SHW division, and no 145 division.

    And they wouldn't even let Fedor (again much, much bigger fan base than Cyborg) fight an exhibition fight with Couture unless Fedor signed with the UFC. In what alternative universe does it make more sense to let Cyborg fight a one-of fight than to let Fedor fight a one-of fight?

    The UFC is being consistent, they're telling Cyborg that like Lesnar she has to cut weight to make an existing weight, and like Fedor they're not going to let her fight their champion unless she signs with them (and she left them).

    Neither Rousey nor Cyborg want the fight unless its under their own conditions.
     
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    Think you left out the bits about doctors claiming cutting to 135 would result in mangled ovaries, sterility, and death.
     
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    Except Cyborg could easily make 135, but doesn't want to. She puts in a tremendous amount of effort to stay TOO BIG for 135, but she doesn't have to. You are right that they both want the fight on their own conditions, and Cyborg's condition is that she wants to stay too big for 135, and make Ronda go up so that she will have a 20+ pound weight disadvantage. Ronda's condition is that Cyborg cut back on whatever it is she is doing to make herself so huge and come down to 135, where Cyborg will still probably have a 10 pound weight advantage at cage time.

    Tate or Zingano could probably take a bunch of steroids and bulk their walk-around weight up to 175 or 180 and beat Ronda, but it wouldn't make them the better fighter, just the bigger cheater. This is how I view Cyborg, just a Tate or Zingano that bulked herself up beyond her natural physique in order to pick on smaller women who aren't cheating.
     
  18. Enders

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    So Rousey won't agree to a fight because she doesnt think Cyborg actually wants the fight? I'll add that as an excuse.
     
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    Ronda wants the fight, the fight is offered to Cyborg if she wants to make the weight. Cyborg actually doesn't want the fight, she has gone to great efforts to avoid it. What has Cyborg done, exactly, to make the fight happen? Was it failing her drug test? Was it asking out of the UFC to go fight in Invicta where Ronda will never fight? Is it refusing to drop any weight? Ronda is a stationary target, all Cyborg has to do is go after it, but she won't budge.
     
  20. Ashenthorn

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    Where do you get this idea that Ronda Rousey won't agree to a fight with Cyborg? Do you have some sort of inside knowledge of the situation?
     
  21. BigDaddyBach

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    The same logic could have been applied to Fedor and AS in 2007/2008 but it wasn't, because it is a flawed argument on so many levels. Furthermore, Cyborg stated she would comprise her health and even go to 135. This issue of weight is a non argument and historical precedent dictates that it should happen @ catchweight or Ronda going up for super fight,

    People need to choose what it is that they want: do they want fighter safety and no dangerous weight cuts or do they want safe competition? Do they want legitimate competition or do they support skilled professionals beating up and harming soccer moms? This fight isn't happening but it sure isn't because of Cyborg, rather it is bunk arguments and gullibility, like that which you have expressed, that make Ronda and UFC feel that they can escape fighting the only legitimate opponent that Ronda could ever fight.

    For all the hate Dana gave boxing for not putting on fights that need to be made, he sure has come full circle and turned into a giant hypocrite.
     

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