Evolution of MMA is more hype...

TrueFightFan said:
It depends on what you are looking for...are you here to be entertained or are you interested in finding out who is the best fighter and/or which discipline is superior?
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Well of course it's very subjective.

But i think the way the sport is now is way more aching to finding out who're the best fighters so i'll go with that.
 
TrueFightFan said:
I agree with you on the availability to learn and train MMA. I just wish that, every now and then, we could have an open tournament to see what styles/fighters can actually excel in real combat.
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I'd love to see a tournament with a different ruleset but don't kid yourself... real combat is not pretty. Most of the standup would be simplified to cope with the bare hands and the strikes to the genitals. The ground game as we know it would disappear because of the attacks on soft areas (eyes, ears, genitals, throat) and the biting.
 
Hotei said:
I'd love to see a tournament with a different ruleset but don't kid yourself... real combat is not pretty. Most of the standup would be simplified to cope with the bare hands and the strikes to the genitals. The ground game as we know it would disappear because of the attacks on soft areas (eyes, ears, genitals, throat) and the biting.
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Ha, wouldn't it be funny as hell if the winner of the tournament was trained in "women's self-defense" from the local community college? "She got him with the old jab-to-the-throat-groin-strike combo, all while yelling Give me back my purse!"
 
Robbie b said:
That would be glorious. Not gonna happen but would be spectacular if it did. Picturing Jones, Izzy, Stipe, Frances, Jiri, Johnson, Blades, and BB off the top of my head.
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Good stuff but let's not forget to throw a few 350+lbers in for good measure .
 
Ironnik94 said:
Well of course it's very subjective.

But i think the way the sport is now is way more aching to finding out who're the best fighters so i'll go with that.
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I will liken this to the Karate tournaments where points are given based on effective strikes but in no way do the matches simulate actual fight situations. The first strike gets the point and the action is stopped. It proves nothing in regards to actual fighting.

If UFC style fights are the best we've got, I'll take it but I am not fooled into believing that fighters "have evolved" passed the throwbacks. Prime Gary Goodridge, of all people, kills everyone currently in the UFC, in ALL weight classes, under the old no-holds-barred rules (ha, yes I used Goodridge to prove My point).
 
Bowel-forged Stool said:
We used to have WWE champs gracing the “sport” with their glory. Lol at the dude talking MM winning the first few UFC’s. He ducked Dillashaw. No way in hell he’d fight these big boys.
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Imagine Lesnar vs Demtrious Johnson in an open weight, no gloves, no holds barred match...
 
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Hotei said:
I'd love to see a tournament with a different ruleset but don't kid yourself... real combat is not pretty. Most of the standup would be simplified to cope with the bare hands and the strikes to the genitals. The ground game as we know it would disappear because of the attacks on soft areas (eyes, ears, genitals, throat) and the biting.
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The UFC is dying trying to pass off these new "GOATs" on us... I think it's time for your tournament idea.
 
260Bomber said:
Lol

Demetrious Johnson would run through the first few UFC tournaments with hilarious ease.
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Shit post as usual......Mighty mouse was hesitant to move back up to 135 because “ he’s too small “ ......Now he’s winning an open weight tournament lol .....go back to the drawing board little man
 
r-harper-1 said:
Shit post as usual......Mighty mouse was hesitant to move back up to 135 because “ he’s too small “ ......Now he’s winning an open weight tournament lol .....go back to the drawing board little man
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No one understands the "true evolution"...
 
TrueFightFan said:
No one understands the "true evolution"...
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Your definition of "true evolution" doesn't take physical attributes into consideration. Even if skill gaps are closed, some fighters are faster, more athletic, and more powerful than others. That's why we see a lot of guys moving up and having success in recent years. The evolution of the sport is evident in the striking, cage wrestling, and overall TDD.
 
drbolony said:
Your definition of "true evolution" doesn't take physical attributes into consideration. Even if skill gaps are closed, some fighters are faster, more athletic, and more powerful than others. That's why we see a lot of guys moving up and having success in recent years. The evolution of the sport is evident in the striking, cage wrestling, and overall TDD.
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Good observation but that's what I have an issue with...it's that the skill gap is widening for the worse. The rules and changes to the sport allow fighters to be more one dimentional. Wrestlers can hold on for dear life until the end of the round and strikers can learn basic take down defense to keep the fight standing but if they are taken down, they can stall long enough for a "stand up" or wait the round out. True evolution would be wrestlers learning what to do with a downed opponent as opposed to just "keeping busy" and strikers would have to learn sweeps and the ground game. Also, without weight cutting, GSP, jon jones, Khabib and McGregor all end up in the ring with Arlovski, Miocic, Ngannou and Overeem. Again, evolution of MMA would mean that these guys are able to compete AND win against bigger competition. Thus Fedor is held by many to be the GOAT because he wasnt much bigger than a GSP and yet found a way to dominate for 10 years. Many claim that he fought cans but GSP fighting in his weightclass was KO'd by a lucky punch from a 170lber, who many claim was a can, yet Fedor was able to avoid "lucky punches" from 220lb+ men in over 30+ fights.

An open weight tournament with limited rules would truly demonstrate an evolution.
 
TrueFightFan said:
Evolution of MMA is more hype than reality.

Hype and rule changes have you believing the opposite of what has actually happened... fighters haven't evolved, fights have evolved into sport. The rules used to be simple, no gloves, no rules just use your discipline to kick the other guy's ass. Now? Use a cup, if you just graze the cup you get 5 minutes, no finger or digit manipulation, no eye, throat or spine/back of the head strikes, no kicking a downed opponet in the head, you have to wear gloves, you get to rest between rounds, yes, there are now rounds and, most of all, WEIGHT CLASSES.

We see a lot more "talent" in today's fight game only because the rules and regulations, mentioned above, allow more people to participate. With no weightclasses how many Aldos, Demetrious Johnsons, McGregors, GSPs and jon joneses would you see? Hell, even the 265lb cap limits what is truly out there.

We can't complain too much because we have gotten to see some amazing fights and characters through "the evolution" but we can't forget that this isn't really fighting anymore. It has become a sport.
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Lewis, Ngannou and Miocic prove this point exactly...
 
TrueFightFan said:
How do you think that's possible if he won't even venture out to fight guys his own weight (190lbs)? There are no rounds or rules to save him.
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He did fight guys his own weight at LW. What, do you think Khabib is the only LW that cuts weight? He's not even a particularly big lightweight. At 190 lbs he's chubby. He lacks any definition even at 170 lbs, which you can see in his few WW fights.
 
Huligani said:
He did fight guys his own weight at LW. What, do you think Khabib is the only LW that cuts weight? He's not even a particularly big lightweight. At 190 lbs he's chubby. He lacks any definition even at 170 lbs, which you can see in his few WW fights.
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Why does he cut?
 
TrueFightFan said:
Why does he cut?
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Oh don't worry, I'm not one of the guys who thinks Khabib would run through the bigger guys. Anyone who trains any legitimate martial art knows that size matters. Khabib would lose to less skilled bigger guys even just one weight class above his. This is also why I have no interest in Khabib vs GSP, that and because GSP is 40 years old.
 
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