Evolution of MMA is more hype...

There -- corrected it. You're welcome.

Evolution of any sport is more hype than reality.

Hype and rule changes have you believing the opposite of what has actually happened... athletes have not evolved, sports have evolved into, er, sports.​

Believe it or not, because of the changes in the rules, the backyard past time is now actually a sport. What a deterioration.

What a waste.
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You are merely reinforcing my point.
 
Overall fighting has evolved tremendously because of the full contact sport aspect of mma. It's much more polished and a combination of styles to be effective instead of just specialized skill sets. All the years of full contact competition improved martial arts overall because we can see what works and doesn't work in a full contact setting. Of course there are things that different are different from street application of martial arts and sport application, and that's due to the rules, clothes, gloves, etc. Like kicks/knees to a downed opponent, small joint manipulation, 12-6 elbows, strikes to the back of the head/neck/throat, etc are game changers.

But overall martial arts has evolved and will continue to evolve, we've only scratched the surface and slowly moving away from specialized styles to fully evolved mixed styles. There is still a lot of evolution that needs to happen because there are other styles that haven't been fully explored yet.

Everyone in the past have used the same base styles of muay thai/kickboxing, boxing, wrestling, bjj because of all the success of those styles from the inception of UFC. There are other base styles being used by fighters now that mma is expanding globally. The evolution in mma is when everything is fluid and you can't figure out what the original base style is anymore because it is a truly mixed style. Transitions are fluid and everything flows from striking to grappling, to scrambles, back to striking and everything in-between. There will be less stalling options.
I agree with most of what you posted but feel the rules and exploitation of them is what has stimied the evolution.

Very well thought out post, brother.
 
The new average has gotten better. It's like 02 elite is the new standard. It has evolved but nowhere near as much as shertards would like to think. Not to mention it was a different era. Lot of today's fighters wouldn't make it back in the Pride era or early UFCs. It's no longer fighting. Usman wouldn't be champ in any era except today where wall n stall is a thing. He'd be disqualified in wrestling for stalling. They have more cardio and are more well rounded now but I'd like to see how they'd do without no pussyass game planning like in Pride where you didn't know who your opponent was gonna be till last minute. You're either a good fighter that can beat anyone on any night or you're not. You shouldn't drill TDD for 3 months because you know you're fighting a wrestler. Your TDD should always be on point. Some of today's guys wouldn't survive.
 
Instead of using the first few UFC events, or even pre-UFC MMA, as references, compare today's MMA to the early days of unified rules MMA. Then you'd be comparing apples to apples instead of two very different combat scenarios.
That is my point...the rules have slowed the evolution of the fight game and have sped the evolution of the sport.
 
I've been involved in MAs since 1998, and a serious fan of MMA specifically since 2003, and I have zero doubt we currently live in the most rich period of martial arts in the history of mankind, taking in everything from youth leagues to the Olympics to MMA.

In almost every sport, claiming the "ancients" were the "real" athletes/warriors/Gods is usually little more than nostalgia bias driven by some sort of emotional need on the part of the fan.

In martial arts, the difference is extremely obvious. It's true the *rate* of increase year-over-year is slowing compared to say 1992-2010, but that's because we started from such a low place before MMA became popular. Like some others have said, pretty much anyone on the UFC roster could go back to UFC 1 and stomp everyone.
Could they under the old rules? Again, what we see are fighters who know and train on how to game the rules. From weight cuts to rounds, when you leave nothing to hide behind, the fighters are exposed.
 
We used to have WWE champs gracing the “sport” with their glory. Lol at the dude talking MM winning the first few UFC’s. He ducked Dillashaw. No way in hell he’d fight these big boys.
 
I think you're looking at this from the wrong direction (and then trying to put way to much thought into it). Basically, your argument makes no sense and is based off of a false premise.
The "evolution" of MMA is 90% how fighters train and how the sport has grown, allowing for more talent, more fight knowledge, better training/training partners, better nutrition and supplements, broader market, more money, etc.,
You didn't touch on any of those fundamental aspects of how "mma has evolved".
Training and talent would still not make Johnson, jones or McGregor step into an open weight competition. 90% of today's UFC roster doesn't even risk it.
 
Rogan called it "complete and total domination" ...the less than 5 minutes it took for Matt Hughes (170 lbs) to destroy Royce. Shamrock (212 lbs) couldn't do anything with Royce on either occasion, and Dan Severn (253 lbs) didn't know how to pass guard. What does this prove? Nothing...I just like posting the video of the cocky Royce getting smashed. Flame on. :D

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Hughes also got his cup grazed by GSP and needed 5 minutes to recover...
 
I agree with most of what you posted but feel the rules and exploitation of them is what has stimied the evolution.

Very well thought out post, brother.
Yes it may have done so overall because it's evolution is more sport related. But I'm sure there are people that will evolve it past the sports restrictions. I train moves that are illegal in sports because I'm a martial artists that wants a system/style that can also work in street situations, like martial arts was originally created for. I understand both the street application and sport application. There are others like me as well so evolution past the sport setting will still happen.

There are martial arts more geared to street application like Krav Maga. I have no actual experience on Krav Maga so I can't speak on how effective it is, but that's just an example of a martial arts that is not focused on sport application.
 
there are plenty of examples of stalling fights from early days. this one obviously stands out irrespective of the fact there may have been some reasons they stalled the entire fight.
There was also a time limit... You forgot to include the image of the "clock".
 
Why would I be trolling?

The only clueless ones are those who claim Royce and Ken were any good at fighting
They were great at fighting but not so great at the "sport". You hear the term "didn't evolve" but say that to them in real life and you'd be in trouble...in a ring, maybe not so much.
 
Training and talent would still not make Johnson, jones or McGregor step into an open weight competition. 90% of today's UFC roster doesn't even risk it.
I agree, but what does that have to do with any of my points (that you didn't answer)?
 
I agree, but what does that have to do with any of my points (that you didn't answer)?
I think you're looking at this from the wrong direction (and then trying to put way to much thought into it). Basically, your argument makes no sense and is based off of a false premise.
The "evolution" of MMA is 90% how fighters train and how the sport has grown, allowing for more talent, more fight knowledge, better training/training partners, better nutrition and supplements, broader market, more money, etc.,
You didn't touch on any of those fundamental aspects of how "mma has evolved".
In regards to your points, my post covered those. You are correct in saying the "sport" has evolved, as that was my original point. If Usman, Khabib and Miocic are representative of the pinnacles of the sport, have the fighters really evolved as fighters? The simple answer is no.
 
Not true. I rolled with a great purple belt that came to our school back in the day. He came from Cali. I asked if he ever rolled with Royce. He said he did and Royce threw him around like a baby. This guy was young and strong. Royce would have been in his 40s. Continue to trash Royce all u want but he was legit. Let a 260 pound Dan Severn lay on u and pull out a triangle. Good luck
I think young-ish fans that only remember (live) Royce getting crushed by Hughes don't give Royce, or his jj, the credit they deserve. Severn and Kimo were BIG boys, and Royce did what was necessary to get the W.
 
In regards to your points, my post covered those. You are correct in saying the "sport" has evolved, as that was my original point. If Usman, Khabib and Miocic are representative of the pinnacles of the sport, have the fighters really evolved as fighters? The simple answer is no.
Sorry, but EVERY mma fighter, with only a few exceptions, has a WAY bigger arsenal than they would have 15, 20 years ago. There's simply more cross-training and exposure to more effective techniques. My own experience reflects this as well. I think fairly objectively that the simple answer would be "yes". I also think using Stipe and Usman, who are fairly basic wrestler wrestler/boxers, isn't representative of the changes and "new breeds" of fighters that are out there right now.
 
Sorry, but EVERY mma fighter, with only a few exceptions, has a WAY bigger arsenal than they would have 15, 20 years ago. There's simply more cross-training and exposure to more effective techniques. My own experience reflects this as well. I think fairly objectively that the simple answer would be "yes". I also think using Stipe and Usman, who are fairly basic wrestler wrestler/boxers, isn't representative of the changes and "new breeds" of fighters that are out there right now.
Agree with most of what you've stated but I think there are just more people into MMA than there were back then and not that MMA has evolved. Just a thought, if the rules were thrown out, don't you think this would fall back into BJJ domination? Remember, many of the rule changes have been geared towards leveling the playing field
 

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