Evidence of Jones' Guilt

Luffy said:
Well, can you prove which fight he has been directly influenced by steroids? Other than the one ruled as non-contest? Ok, it's suspicious he has done it before vs DC 1, but that fight wasn't ruled as a no contest. When DC talks about their fight, he mainly emphasizes JJ skills and even said "whether he was favoured in our second fight by steroids, idk, but he didn't really need that, he is just too good".
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Because DC likely was on IT too all his live sicne Olympics, so he knew what he talking about.
 
JBJ was here said:
Jones has never bulked up abnormally
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For most of his career he has been in the same weight class, so this is a moot point.

JBJ was here said:
or had abnormal power increases
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If he's used steroids for most of his career there wouldn't be an "increase".

JBJ was here said:
or showed abnormal recovery from physical decline
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His longevity is abnormal.

JBJ was here said:
His positive tests were 1) attributed to tainted pills by the USADA, 2) for cocaine, 3) given effectively no penalty on appeal, and 4) discarded. Let's take all that at face value without conspiracy theorizing.
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How are you going to participate in this thread and not know public information that's nearing a decade old? What's even worse, you're pushing complete falsehoods which indicates you only know what the UFC/Jones have tried to push in the media to spin a narrative in their favor.

Literally on the first page of USADA's report from the 2016 case:

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So no, Jones failed test in 2016 was NOT attributed to sex pills by USADA, that was Jones' excuse.

When Jones appealed the 2016 case, he got the maximum suspension.
When Jones appealed the 2017 case, he got the maximum suspension, and only got it reduced after snitching (which isn't an exoneration at all).

JBJ was here said:
What we do know for sure is that Jones is a raging alcoholic and slightly-less-raging coke fiend who's fantastically careless about what he puts in his body. We know that alcoholism and liver disease can cause the same low testosterone problems as cycling off of steroids. We know that Jones has terrible impulse control. All that is enough both to explain his fighting and testing history and to condemn him for being a terrible person who doesn't care about the rules.
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*Tells everyone not to conspiracy theorize, then goes on to conspiracy theorize*

icemun said:
He left when USADA came to town.
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False: GSP left 18 months before USADA "came to town".

I don't understand why you and @JBJ was here think you can get away with trying to rewrite history that most of us are privy to.
 
JBJ was here said:
Time to let everyone dogpile on me: Jones is probably not a prolific steroid abuser.

Jones has never bulked up abnormally, or had abnormal power increases, or showed abnormal recovery from physical decline. If he's a serious steroid abuser, he seems to be really bad at it.

His positive tests were 1) attributed to tainted pills by the USADA, 2) for cocaine, 3) given effectively no penalty on appeal, and 4) discarded. Let's take all that at face value without conspiracy theorizing.

What we do know for sure is that Jones is a raging alcoholic and slightly-less-raging coke fiend who's fantastically careless about what he puts in his body. We know that alcoholism and liver disease can cause the same low testosterone problems as cycling off of steroids. We know that Jones has terrible impulse control. All that is enough both to explain his fighting and testing history and to condemn him for being a terrible person who doesn't care about the rules.

Jones is not TRTfort or Ubereem; he's just an alcoholic asshole who doesn't care whether or not he's playing by the rules.
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You still think that fat guys are not on gear ? <36>
 
acannxr said:
For most of his career he has been in the same weight class, so this is a moot point.


If he's used steroids for most of his career there wouldn't be an "increase".


His longevity is abnormal.


How are you going to participate in this thread and not know public information that's nearing a decade old? What's even worse, you're pushing complete falsehoods which indicates you only know what the UFC/Jones have tried to push in the media to spin a narrative in their favor.

Literally on the first page of USADA's report from the 2016 case:

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So no, Jones failed test in 2016 was NOT attributed to sex pills by USADA, that was Jones' excuse.

When Jones appealed the 2016 case, he got the maximum suspension.
When Jones appealed the 2017 case, he got the maximum suspension, and only got it reduced after snitching (which isn't an exoneration at all).


*Tells everyone not to conspiracy theorize, then goes on to conspiracy theorize*


False: GSP left 18 months before USADA "came to town".

I don't understand why you and @JBJ was here think you can get away with trying to rewrite history that most of us are privy to.
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Lol @ this thread and the muppet who made it
 
acannxr said:
False: GSP left 18 months before USADA "came to town".

I don't understand why you and @JBJ was here think you can get away with trying to rewrite history that most of us are privy to.
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Um you are affirming that is BEFORE Usada came to town.
 
Is anyone trying to claim jones was clean ? I’d hope not ….but most everyone else was doing shit as well
 
icemun said:
Um you are affirming that is BEFORE Usada came to town.
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You claimed that GSP left when USADA "came to town"; USADA was announced in June of 2015 and the program itself began in July of 2015, so did GSP leave in June or July of 2015? No, he didn't, so those two events are completely unrelated.
 
acannxr said:
You claimed that GSP left when USADA "came to town"; USADA was announced in June of 2015 and the program itself began in July of 2015, so did GSP leave in June or July of 2015? No, he didn't, so those two events are completely unrelated.
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Um he left PRIOR to USADA

It is, what it is.

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Calmly and without emotions about doping...

Doping in big sports has been actively developing for 50 years. It is already known about a bunch of past champions what they took, how they took it, how they camouflaged it, how they led WADA by the nose.

In time, everything will come to light. Someone was caught red-handed. Someone blabbed himself, wanting at least some glory. Someone was offended with money and he took revenge...

Today, doping is a super profitable business with huge turnover, research centers, factories, clinics.

The demand is huge. Why?? Because athletes want to win, to promote themselves with cups and medals, receiving prize money and millions in advertising from their popularity.

And how to be the best in the world?? Everyone knows how to train, everyone is ready to train from morning to night. Everyone knows how to eat, how much protein to drink, dietary supplements, vitamins, minerals...

It doesn't work because it's available to everyone and doesn't give a decisive competitive advantage.

And here comes his MAJESTY DOPING!!

A magic pill and you can run for 5 hours without getting tired in terrible heat, lift a barbell with an unrealistic weight, be calm as ice playing without fear and mistakes when everyone is already in hysterics.

Yes, it's a risk... But there is no other way to the top today, alas.

Without doping, you are just the same as everyone else.

The bad guys always come first... The old saying is always relevant.

Yes, you have to be able to do this. Be very cunning, careful, have the right connections in the farm environment.

Always hide everything from everyone.

This is the path of champions today.

And the attitude towards those caught doping is very loyal. They are disqualified in the worst case, that is, deprived of some future income.

But no one takes away what has already been earned... and in fact, stolen from others. Therefore, it continues to be profitable and covers the costs of doping.

And in general, the show has been going on for 50 years. Money is spinning, doping is actively produced and constantly developing. New super drugs appear that are even more effective and safe for health.

At the same time, numerous anti-doping organizations receive huge funding. This is also a whole industry with commissioners, lab technicians, chemists, researchers, couriers, storekeepers ... ....

Everyone is happy - everyone's business is flourishing!
 
acannxr said:
For most of his career he has been in the same weight class, so this is a moot point.


If he's used steroids for most of his career there wouldn't be an "increase".


His longevity is abnormal.


How are you going to participate in this thread and not know public information that's nearing a decade old? What's even worse, you're pushing complete falsehoods which indicates you only know what the UFC/Jones have tried to push in the media to spin a narrative in their favor.

Literally on the first page of USADA's report from the 2016 case:

View attachment 1074034


So no, Jones failed test in 2016 was NOT attributed to sex pills by USADA, that was Jones' excuse.

When Jones appealed the 2016 case, he got the maximum suspension.
When Jones appealed the 2017 case, he got the maximum suspension, and only got it reduced after snitching (which isn't an exoneration at all).


*Tells everyone not to conspiracy theorize, then goes on to conspiracy theorize*


False: GSP left 18 months before USADA "came to town".

I don't understand why you and @JBJ was here think you can get away with trying to rewrite history that most of us are privy to.
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It wasn't attributed to sex pills for sure, yes.
 
acannxr said:
His longevity is abnormal.
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But this is not true, he has good record, but not longevity - he did decline early (after he had those scandals with PEDs with Cormier and declared no-contest fight for his best performance). At 31/32 he had Reyes/Santos fights, never fought newcomers nor he has fought fighters his age much, only few.

He started to play it very safe as soon as he felt how is it to loose (against Reyes)...

For comparison, pretty similar:
- Fedor at that age 31/32 had Tim Sylvia/Arlovski/Brett Rogers fights. Werdum at 34.
- GSP had Hendrics at 32
- Khabib had Justin Gaethje at 32 (no decline visible much)
 
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Gregoire1 said:
Calmly and without emotions about doping...

Doping in big sports has been actively developing for 50 years. It is already known about a bunch of past champions what they took, how they took it, how they camouflaged it, how they led WADA by the nose.

In time, everything will come to light. Someone was caught red-handed. Someone blabbed himself, wanting at least some glory. Someone was offended with money and he took revenge...

Today, doping is a super profitable business with huge turnover, research centers, factories, clinics.

The demand is huge. Why?? Because athletes want to win, to promote themselves with cups and medals, receiving prize money and millions in advertising from their popularity.

And how to be the best in the world?? Everyone knows how to train, everyone is ready to train from morning to night. Everyone knows how to eat, how much protein to drink, dietary supplements, vitamins, minerals...

It doesn't work because it's available to everyone and doesn't give a decisive competitive advantage.

And here comes his MAJESTY DOPING!!

A magic pill and you can run for 5 hours without getting tired in terrible heat, lift a barbell with an unrealistic weight, be calm as ice playing without fear and mistakes when everyone is already in hysterics.

Yes, it's a risk... But there is no other way to the top today, alas.

Without doping, you are just the same as everyone else.

The bad guys always come first... The old saying is always relevant.

Yes, you have to be able to do this. Be very cunning, careful, have the right connections in the farm environment.

Always hide everything from everyone.

This is the path of champions today.

And the attitude towards those caught doping is very loyal. They are disqualified in the worst case, that is, deprived of some future income.

But no one takes away what has already been earned... and in fact, stolen from others. Therefore, it continues to be profitable and covers the costs of doping.

And in general, the show has been going on for 50 years. Money is spinning, doping is actively produced and constantly developing. New super drugs appear that are even more effective and safe for health.

At the same time, numerous anti-doping organizations receive huge funding. This is also a whole industry with commissioners, lab technicians, chemists, researchers, couriers, storekeepers ... ....

Everyone is happy - everyone's business is flourishing!
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Even though this seems well intended doping just isn’t a huge part of Jones career. Sherdog made it seem that way and it’s cute but kinda in a look at the little children way. When I think about the multitude of drama free moments and the fact popping hot in pro sports is kinda a “meh do your suspension” thing in pro sports. It’s truly limp wrist behavior to make that centerpiece discussion on an athlete that had many of us understanding he was the greatest mma talent before the first failure. The hilarious part about it all is they had a thread so all the little babies could get out their FRAGILITY and cry and they couldn’t leave it there after 10,000 comments crying about the man more than his fans talked about him. I bring hoe up out that kind. Yes Sir I mind mine though don’t mind me.
 
Mind Mine said:
Even though this seems well intended doping just isn’t a huge part of Jones career. Sherdog made it seem that way and it’s cute but kinda in a look at the little children way. When I think about the multitude of drama free moments and the fact popping hot in pro sports is kinda a “meh do your suspension” thing in pro sports. It’s truly limp wrist behavior to make that centerpiece discussion on an athlete that had many of us understanding he was the greatest mma talent before the first failure. The hilarious part about it all is they had a thread so all the little babies could get out their FRAGILITY and cry and they couldn’t leave it there after 10,000 comments crying about the man more than his fans talked about him. I bring hoe up out that kind. Yes Sir I mind mine though don’t mind me.
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Doping isnt a huge part of his career?
Didnt he literally get his belt stripped because of failed PED tests?
Maybe some people are overly harsh on Jones but youre being overly forgiving. Because getting a belt taken away seems like a pretty big part of a fighter's career
 
Blastbeat said:
Doping isnt a huge part of his career?
Didnt he literally get his belt stripped because of failed PED tests?
Maybe some people are overly harsh on Jones but youre being overly forgiving. Because getting a belt taken away seems like a pretty big part of a fighter's career
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How many fights did he have before? How many after? Moving on? It’s like you have hung your hat on suspensions spanning a few years on a career already determined as legend before the suspensions. It’s outright goofy when the fact is in ni capacity does that make up anything but a small amount of the fights on his record. Whatever mental gymnastics you went through to make it seem like it was this huge part is somply sherdog chatter. If you took away every fight with a positive it’s still best resume. In sherdog logic you want to make that his whole career and remove him from legendary great discussion while salivating over his fights
 
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