Evidence of Jones' Guilt

kflo said:
You have the experts in the field saying that dhcmt metabolites can be detectable in trace amounts for years after ingestion. You know you will be randomly tested for the presence of those metabolites. You know your career is at stake if you reingest. Low and behold, the metabolites are being detected in trace amounts for years.

Your conclusion - anyone who has trace amounts for years is reingesting and must be punished.

That’s your logic.

So jones, Grant Dawson, Muslim Salikov, Stephanie Egger, Ryan Benoit, Roman Dolidze, etc are all obviously just guilty repeat offending scumbags. Obviously. Because they continued to have trace amounts of metabolites that can stay in the system for a long time.
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Kflo, this long term "pulsing" is still a theory/belief. It is not definitive that they have not re-ingested but what IS DEFINITIVE is that they all now have an excuse so I don't buy into the "give them a pass" mantra. I have a feeling a lot of this will change in the next year but I still hold to the fact that it was jones who put himself in this position.
 
kflo said:
You can’t prove you’re innocent beyond reasonable doubt so you’re going to jail mother fucker!
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Well he isn't actually "going to jail" but he won't be allowed to cave other guys' skulls in. That was his mistake. If you commit a felony, in most states, you can't vote, you can't own a firearm and there are a lot of other restrictions. It goes back to "he should have thought of the consequences".
 
kflo said:
if i was a district attorney and someone had already been convicted twice, i'd still need to have solid evidence to try them for a third crime.......

this isn't something personal done to me.
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I wasn't asking about crimes, trials or evidence. This is getting comical, you can't be fuckin serious, lol.

Is it really so hard for you to just answer an simple question? <Lmaoo>

@OverhandRightKayo
He does seem to be a shill or maybe just thick... hard to judge. Whatever though.
 
kflo said:
if i was a district attorney and someone had already been convicted twice, i'd still need to have solid evidence to try them for a third crime.......

this isn't something personal done to me.
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Except that he has been convicted AT LEAST 4 times in the eyes of anyone in the world and certainly all of MMA fans.

You're done.
 
TrueFightFan said:
Kflo, this long term "pulsing" is still a theory/belief. It is not definitive that they have not re-ingested but what IS DEFINITIVE is that they all now have an excuse so I don't buy into the "give them a pass" mantra. I have a feeling a lot of this will change in the next year but I still hold to the fact that it was jones who put himself in this position.
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again, there is no doping scheme that results in only pulsing traces of the long term metabolite m3....
 
kflo said:
Do you have any idea how he’d use tbol for an edge and try to avoid detection under usada? What would that look like for someone who has already been suspended for it?

This is part of the problem. No one has any idea what that would look like. Traditional tbol doping protocols are nonsensical.

So while you think giving the benefit of the doubt isn’t justified, it does help to have a strong viable alternative explanation. Not just well he probably doped.
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The only explanation is the jon's a moron.
 
Cracked_Rib said:
I wasn't asking about crimes, trials or evidence. This is getting comical, you can't be fuckin serious, lol.

Is it really so hard for you to just answer an simple question? <Lmaoo>

@OverhandRightKayo
He does seem to be a shill or maybe just thick... hard to judge. Whatever though.
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i'd need more information to make a decision than what you presented. and it has zero bearing on the topic. my reply is more relevant to the topic than your question.

lol at you calling your buddy too.
 
kflo said:
you're assuming he's a fuckin moron intentionally throwing his career and reputation away.


i have no idea what you're trying to say. you are not at all addressing what i asked.


i'm sorry but prove you didn't do something is an impossible standard.
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Sorry, brother, he is a moron....
 
kflo said:
i'd need more information to make a decision than what you presented. and it has zero bearing on the topic. my reply is more relevant to the topic than your question.

lol at you calling your buddy too.
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Nevermind buddeh. You refused to answer a very simple question, because you knew where it was leading logically. Just as disingenuous as a politician, only that you don't make as much money with it.

I believe you've successfully made a fool of yourself, but I'm not wasting my time on you anymore. This was an interesting episode to say the least though, lol.
 
kflo said:
sorry, i'm a rational person and i fully understand partying and taking recreational drugs even if they may not be "smart" choices. taking 1 dick pill that isn't inherently a violation is not remotely the same "bad" choice as engaging in a prolonged doping scheme for performance benefit that will almost certainly get detected and destroy your career. lumping them together isn't really being an honest broker.


because there is no hard evidence he reingested and because pulsing is the more logical explanation given everything we know. there is no doping scheme known that would have made sense and there's no evidence he engaged in one after the first m3 sanction.

your turn....
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In regards to the "dick pill", he lied when he first showed the receipt and then later provided the correct one that showed the pill and the masking agent in the same order. It's like the "dick pill" was provided as a built-in excuse but what you are failing to mention is the ADDITONAL BANNED SUBSTANCE that was in the pill but was not flagged on the test. You know that whole situation is shady as fuck and the whole "there was this drug dealer in the gym" story is bullshit.
 
Cracked_Rib said:
Nevermind buddeh. You refused to answer a very simple question, because you knew where it was leading logically. Just as disingenuous as a politician, only that you don't make as much money with it.

I believe you've successfully made a fool of yourself, but I'm not wasting my time on you anymore. This was an interesting episode to say the least though, lol.
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lol. anything for you to not have to support how someone could prove innocence here. see ya........
 
TrueFightFan said:
In regards to the "dick pill", he lied when he first showed the receipt and then later provided the correct one that showed the pill and the masking agent in the same order. It's like the "dick pill" was provided as a built-in excuse but what you are failing to mention is the ADDITONAL BANNED SUBSTANCE that was in the pill but was not flagged on the test. You know that whole situation is shady as fuck and the whole "there was this drug dealer in the gym" story is bullshit.
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it's all in the arbitration and addressed.
 
Cracked_Rib said:
Anything for you to not have to answer a simple, straightforward question. Bye. <45>
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except my question was in direct response to you suggesting you could prove innocence. you just don't want to acknowledge you were wrong.
 
OverhandRightKayo said:
By his logic, all the scum of the earth, serial killers, chomos etc. Should prove their innocence even after all the evidence is clear.
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It's not his logic. He agreed with me and saw where the question was leading, he's just disingenuous and would rather have his account deleted than having to agree.
 
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