Every grappling sport on the planet has anti-stalling rules, except for MMA

sakfjgadsyukgf said:
"If you don't like one guy/gal laying on another for 25 minutes, go watch kickboxing brah. You don't appreciate grappling". People trot out this dumb argument every time we have a night like this.

My brother in Christ, every grappling sport known to man has rules that prevent stalling like we saw last night- except MMA. Let's look up the rulebook for folkstyle wrestling:

"What constitutes stalling? No attempt to improve their position, Holding" https://www.ohsaa.org/Portals/0/Sports/Wrestling/Wrestling Officials Education/# 4 Stalling, Stalemate & Fleeing.ppt.pdf

Same thing in freestyle wrestling. Judo is even stricter about penalizing passivity. Here, read the new IBJJF rules penalizing stalling https://www.flograppling.com/articl...ew-stalling-rules-are-essential-for-the-sport

MMA is the only grappling sport in the world where you can just stall on top of someone for the entire match and win. We can still be grappling fans and be against stalling. Yellow cards, standups, whatever..... It's OK to want to see action in a grappling match, that doesn't make you a kickboxing-only fan
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MMA is actually heavily favored against grapplers. After each rouind, the fight gets stood up regardless of the position the fighters are in. The fight gets stood up after it hits the ground if the referee decides the fighter is not being active enough. Fights get broken up against the cage if the ref decides the fight isn't filled with enough action. Also, takedowns have very little weight in them now when scoring fights (and rightfully so imo). MMA is an entertainment sport -- it does not mimic real combat as much as it used to.

There are actually no anti-striking rules. When fighters are against each other and there is no action and they are already standing, nothing is done.
 
Only Here for Attachments said:
Grappling is fine is it leads to something exciting. Implying that people hate all grappling when they just don’t enjoy uneventful fights is like saying someone hates all women because they don’t like WMMA. Typical hipster strawmen.
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What if striking doesn't lead to something exciting?
 
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NicholasJBasile said:
Well if grappling is boring, the fight gets separated. What if striking is boring? That rule alone benefits strikers greatly (perhaps rightfully so, for entertainment purposes). That's the point I'm making is all.
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All the guys losing to stall-strikers just need to learn to counter it.
 
Grappling is fine so long as the guy I want to win is doing it


This is actually what all these convos are about, carry on
 
Only Here for Attachments said:
All the guys losing to stall-strikers just need to learn to counter it.
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Or maybe the ref should reset the fight and have them start in a 50/50 clinching position (I don't think this should happen, just making a point). The OP more or less argued that there are no rules against boring grappling. My points are just illustrating that the rules set forth are actually heavily against grapplers already.
 
The yellow card system would solve the "grappling is boring, no striking is boring" debate.

Lulls in action, where either one or both fighters are not looking to finish or inflict damage, should be penalized.
 
I’m not going to tell people that they should have been thoroughly entertained by the fight the other night, it certainly wasn’t the most eventful and if you found it boring that’s fine. What I don’t understand though is why does the fighter that lost always get a pass for accepting position and barely trying to escape? The mentality of “survive to see the next round” is just as bad as guys doing very little whilst on top in my opinion.
 
Honestly wish there was more penalties for bullshit.
Too much safe space logic.

Strikers not striking isn't taking reads,
it's stalling to catch breath.

Wrestlers not finishing isn't working toward a finish, it is positional dominance, until the position moves ... It is a stall.

The whole point of Am vs Pro is to keep stalling in the AM's and finishes in the PRO's.

A tie,
or a decision,
or a no contest,
or a disqualification ...

Are all the same bullshit.

Nobody tuned into a professional level tie.
It's a waste of time & energy.

All that said,
Islam wasn't as bad as Hamfat.

Islam faced a good defense from JDM.
Not amazing, but good.
He mixed up wrestling with strikes and confused JDM who waited on takedowns long enough to lose striking battles, and give up the takedown.

Hamfat got crucifix multiple times and just rabbit punched. Dude, just finish him.
Reminded me of Aljo backpacking and doing nothing. Or guys holding down Nick Diaz for points. Nick was right, the "sport" favors decisions.

The "art" is the finishes.

This is mixed (martial) ARTS ...

Not eye poke & stall olympics.

Entertainment Art.

More point deductions for entire rounds of stalling. If you stall 4 minutes of 15, that should be a point against you.

Sorry, but not one bit sorry.

Man up.
 
Söze Aldo said:
The yellow card system would solve the "grappling is boring, no striking is boring" debate.

Lulls in action, where either one or both fighters are not looking to finish or inflict damage, should be penalized.
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It never really makes a difference. PRIDE had yellow cards and it rarely ever deterred fighters from their gameplans even if they got penalized.

Arona could dominate all 3 rds with no cards and hardly do much.


I HATE that they deduct money from the purse too.

Several times they would give two stalemated fighters both cards, which does nothing other than rob them both of money, unless someone already had another card.

Especially with UFC's fights being scored by rounds, are the cards a point deduction? cos what else could it be right? brutal. I dont think people really want that to be in UFC's current system.



All in all it gives the referee too much influence over the match.

Dont wanna get Lnp'd get the fuck up
 
HHJ said:
It never really makes a difference. PRIDE had yellow cards and it rarely ever deterred fighters from their gameplans even if they got penalized.

Arona could dominate all 3 rds with no cards and hardly do much.


I HATE that they deduct money from the purse too.

Several times they would give two stalemated fighters both cards, which does nothing other than rob them both of money, unless someone already had another card.

Especially with UFC's fights being scored by rounds, are the cards a point deduction? cos what else could it be right? brutal. I dont think people really want that to be in UFC's current system.



All in all it gives the referee too much influence over the match.

Dont wanna get Lnp'd get the fuck up
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Like every other solution people propose, it brings along a whole other set of problems. Or we can minimize artificial interference, put the onus on fighters to get out of bad positions, and just accept sometimes it’s not going to be the most exciting thing you’ve ever seen.
 
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sdpdude9 said:
Like every other solution people propose, it brings along a whole other set of problems. Or we can minimize artificial interference, put the onus on fighters to get out of bad positions, and just accept sometimes it’s not going to be the most exciting thing you’ve ever seen.
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