Social Even Democrats now agree : No Russian Collusion

[Limit Smasher]

Lefty's really embarrassing themselves in this thread. Kind of hilarious. Just proves that everyone is susceptible to conspiracy theories if it furthers their desires.

Right wingers looked dumb with the birther movement and Lefty's look even worse with this Russia shit because they're being egged on by the media that is only using them for views/revenue.

The more you idiots eat this Russia stuff up, the more the media is going to push it. They're making money off of you.

Not gonna celebrate too much though, the pendulum will swing and in 6 years, right wingers will be doing the same thing. Rinse and fucking repeat.

 

[MikeMcMann]

To say that most of these links point to collusion is specious at best. Why even mention that Ivanka is friends with Wendy Deng, who is friends with some Russian? Rich people hang out together. So what? Michael Flynn appeared in RT. So what? Could be have appeared on the BBC? Rex Tillerson was the CEO of Exxon and he did business with another oil company. Stop the presses. Sessions met with the ambassador like a lot of other senators. And lol at them trying to wrangle Fedor into this. As if it matters that he fought in Affliction. He didn’t fight there because of his ties to Putin. He fought there because he was a free agent after PRIDE collapsed and he was the best fighter in the world.

Let’s not pretend like any of us are experts in the inner workings of Russian affairs, banks, conglomerates, ect. Who tf really knows if it’s true when a media outlet says a person had Russian mob ties or Russian intelligence ties? We’re getting all that shit second hand from some scrub writer who realizes his profession is dying and needs to generate clicks. What I do know is that Trump’s involvement with Fedor had nothing to do with colluding with Russian to rig the election. So when they try bullshit their way into lying about something I know to be false, it makes me wonder what else they could be bullshitting about regarding what I don’t know.

You need to read and understand the crimes Mueller was tasked to look into.

It was not Collusion. IT was 'Leaks and Coordination' between the Trump Campaign and Trump and Russians.

What was in my post absolutely is proof or leaks and coordination with Russians.

If you want to use a more general umbrella term feel free to call that elements of collusion as that is what it is. But lets be clear. Mueller was not tasked to find collusion. He was tasked to find leaks and coordination and that is EXACTLY what he has found in abundance.

 

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the senate intel committee isn't Trump and his fans

Actually the majority are. And to be clear, they aren't finished and haven't yet cleared Trump. Just that there is no contract written actually describing collusion, and Manafort's sharing of polling data with Russians hasn't been linked directly to Trump. The democrats have said that unreleased facts will show the extent Russians manipulated the election with Trump officials, witting or unwittingly. I won't be shocked when the final report shows no definite evidence of conspiracy, but I wouldn't want to rely on a senate committee investigation to handle RICO cases either.

 

[MikeMcMann]

2 years total access to EVERY FUCKING thing, millions of dollars budgeted and nothing, yet if we were talking about voter fraud you'd be saying.... theres no evidence

You don't know there is nothing. What you mean to say is 'if Mueller does not share his investigation details with me I will call it nothing as i expect Mueller to share'.

It is a stupid position to hold but many Trumptards seem to think that way.

 

[Prefect]

2 years total access to EVERY FUCKING thing, millions of dollars budgeted and nothing, yet if we were talking about voter fraud you'd be saying.... theres no evidence

How many people have been charged or are in prison?

 

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2 years total access to EVERY FUCKING thing, millions of dollars budgeted and nothing, yet if we were talking about voter fraud you'd be saying.... theres no evidence

Yeah but access to every document in the world isn't necessarily enough to uncover a criminal conspiracy when it comes down to demonstrating intent and the content of spoken conversations. It can't be proven Manafort revealing polling data to Russians was ordered by Trump, sure. But Manafort was so unwilling to tell the truth that he'd rather stay in jail.

 

[second sight]

Actually the majority are. And to be clear, they aren't finished and haven't yet cleared Trump. Just that there is no contract written actually describing collusion, and Manafort's sharing of polling data with Russians hasn't been linked directly to Trump. The democrats have said that unreleased facts will show the extent Russians manipulated the election with Trump officials, witting or unwittingly. I won't be shocked when the final report shows no definite evidence of conspiracy, but I wouldn't want to rely on a senate committee investigation to handle RICO cases either.

except he didn't share polling data with Russia (not a crime anyway) he was in communication with Ukraine an enemy of Russia

 

[second sight]

How many people have been charged or are in prison?

over shit that happened years ago that had nothing to do with this administration or “any other matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation.” again not related to the Trump administration

 

[TheBlondBomber]

You need to read and understand the crimes Mueller was tasked to look into.

It was not Collusion. IT was 'Leaks and Coordination' between the Trump Campaign and Trump and Russians.

What was in my post absolutely is proof or leaks and coordination with Russians.

If you want to use a more general umbrella term feel free to call that elements of collusion as that is what it is. But lets be clear. Mueller was not tasked to find collusion. He was tasked to find leaks and coordination and that is EXACTLY what he has found in abundance.

Lol you tell me to read and understand the crimes that Mueller was supposed to investigate, but then say that Mueller was charged with finding “leaks and coordination” as if those are crimes. Can you cite the statutory basis for calling “leaks and coordination” a crime? Are “leaks and coordination” a crime at common law? You get uppity with me calling it collusion, saying I need to understand the crime he’s investigating, but you don’t cite an actual crime that Mueller was supposed to investigate. Sounds like you don’t understand the crimes, Palooka.

I’m calling it collusion because that’s the nomenclature is.

But go ahead, tell me how Ivanka being friends with Wendi Deng or Flynn appearing on RT or Fedor fighting in Affliction proves “leaks and coordination” with Putin.

 

[glenwo2]

Dan Bongino....the one and only.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Lol you tell me to read and understand the crimes that Mueller was supposed to investigate, but then say that Mueller was charged with finding “leaks and coordination” as if those are crimes. Can you cite the statutory basis for calling “leaks and coordination” a crime? Are “leaks and coordination” a crime at common law. You get uppity with me calling it collusion, saying I need to understand the crime he’s investigating, but you don’t cite an actual crime that Mueller was supposed to investigate. Sounds like you don’t understand the crimes, Palooka.

I’m calling it collusion because that’s the nomenclature is.

But go ahead, tell me how Ivanka being friends with Wendi Deng or Flynn appearing on RT or Fedor fighting in Affliction proves “leaks and coordination” with Putin.

I took that section in quotes right out of the mandate document so I suggest you go read it yourself and report back.

Yes leaks and coordination can be crimes depending on the leak and the coordination. For instance leaking the polling data as Manafort did is an explicit crime. Coordination of quid pro quo's 'you do this and I will give you that' can be a crime.

At the start of the investigation they did not know what specific crimes, if any, were broken but following the mandate and looking at the charts I quoted you will see Mueller has got a bunch of convictions and confessions directly applicable to his mandate. HIs mandate, thus far, has been a massive success and its not done yet.

 

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except he didn't share polling data with Russia (not a crime) he was in communication with Ukraine an enemy of Russia

No. Konstantin Kilimnik is a Russian citizen, Russian intelligence ties, that was indicted for witness tampering on behalf of Manafort. Manafort was caught lying with false statements about his communications with the dude.

Manafort's dealings in Ukraine were with the previous pro-Russian govt and pro-Russian groups.

 

[grizzard2bid]

How many people have been charged or are in prison?

Some of them already got out of prison.
"Lying to authorities" the oldest trick in the prosecutorial book of when they don't got jack.

 

[glenwo2]

You mean "word for word" from the vid?


Okay I'll try :


Woman (Halley?) : "We want to get to some breaking news right now. NBC News exclusive reporting on the Senate Intelligence Committee. Their investigation into Russian Election Interference and what they have and have not uncovered. NBC's Ken Delaney(sp?) who just jumped in front of the camera to join me with his new report. So Ken, What are you hearing and What are you learning?

Ken : "Halley(sp?), after two years and interviewing over 200 witnesses, the Senate Intelligence Committee has NOT uncovered any direct evidence of a conspiracy between the Trump Campaign and Russia. That's according to sources from both the Republican and the Democratic side of the aisle, Halley.

Ken (cont.) : Careful viewers and readers will note that Senator Richard Burr (Chairman of the Intelligence Committee) who leads this probe essentially said that in an interview with another network last week. But what I've been doing since then is checking with my sources on the Democratic side to understand the full context of his remarks because that was essentially a partisan comment from one side. But this is a Bipartisan investigation and what I found is that the Democrats don't dispute that characterization.

@HockeyBjj , Not a "thank you"?

How rude.

 

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I took that section in quotes right out of the mandate document so I suggest you go read it yourself and report back.

Yes leaks and coordination can be crimes depending on the leak and the coordination. For instance leaking the polling data as Manafort did is an explicit crime. Coordination of quid pro quo's 'you do this and I will give you that' can be a crime.

At the start of the investigation they did not know what specific crimes, if any, were broken but following the mandate and looking at the charts I quoted you will see Mueller has got a bunch of convictions and confessions directly applicable to his mandate. HIs mandate, thus far, has been a massive success and its not done yet.

Yeah even if you think Trump is squeaky clean, why wouldn't you want to know the extent of the corruption of other players in his campaign? Or how much influence Russia had without Trump's knowledge? Would you guys rather the dozens of Russian agents Mueller has picked up keep going about their business and foreign agents like Manafort get any influence near the government?

 

[second sight]

No. Konstantin Kilimnik is a Russian citizen, Russian intelligence ties, that was indicted for witness tampering on behalf of Manafort. Manafort was caught lying with false statements about his communications with the dude.

Manafort's dealings in Ukraine were with the previous pro-Russian govt and pro-Russian groups.

point those charges out to me

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/15/what-charges-does-paul-manafort-face.html

 

[second sight]

I can't wait till the shoe is on the other foot

 

[Darkballs]

So a random talking head from NBC (I thought trumpers said we couldn't trust the msm?) claims that an anonymous source told him that they talked to democratic senators, and those senators said they hadn't seen proof of collusion yet.

And this has caused war room conservatives to spike the football in their own endzone?

Am I missing anything here?

 

[58miles]

Mike will be screaming COLLUSION!!!!! in 2020.

He will tell his grandkids in 2047 about the secret Russian agent that won the white house. Those same grandkids will put him in a psyche ward with a quickness

About 5 minutes after almost half the Republican Party is sent to that same psyche ward because they still believe Hillary was involved in a child sex ring run out of the basement of a pizza parlor or the ones who actually believe in the Clinton Body Count or the half of the Republican Party who believe that Obama was born in Kenya or pretty much much every Republican in America who despite the mountain of evidence to the country still believes the
Republican party is the party is the party of family values, fiscal responsibility, moral values.

.Lets not forget the one who honestly believe Trump is a really good businessman oh and don't not forget the people who believe Reagan was still mentally as sharp as a tack when he left the White House, on second thought it would just be more humane to put those poor delusional fools to sleep rather than tell them the truth, let them die with the thought of Reagan how they thought he was and not how he actually was. How about the ones who think that both parties are the Same that they are both equally corrupt I don't think a psyche ward will actually help because they aren't mentally disturbed they are mentally lazy and a well kicked ass will be much more effective, not physically but intellectually of course. Anybody else belong in the psyche ward?

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

FBI wont tell congress if the dossier played a part "but you know!".
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...congress-if-dossier-formed-basis-trump-russia

Wut? Comey says it was used as a source of information to start the investigation!!!
https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/18/poli...-donald-trump-russia-investigation/index.html

Never, in this nations history has anything remotely close to this happen before and if it had happened to anyone else, shit would have hit the fan in terms of red flags of attempted government take-over and over-throwing the government via subversion and propaganda.

2 years, constant media coverage, nothing new to actually report. Another thing with no historical president.

Your post proves you have no idea what the actual fuck you're talking about . You're spewing off about FBI and Congress etc and missing the whole report which is drafted by Nat Intel and CIA. This has absolutely nothing to do with FBI Congressional testimony or the Dossier . Every time I feel I've seen rock bottom from a tRUmp supporter someone comes along and one ups the other