Social Even as a conservative I respect Slavoj Zizek's ideologies in certain aspects

[mrbaapt]

It's not a secret that the extreme-left and the extreme-right are two faces of the same coin.
When he named Soros a humanitarian he lost me though.

Neither are present in this debate.

 

[mrbaapt]

Also, encase you werent aware, he debated Dr Peterson recently. The audio of the debate isnt great and the audience is a major pain with their constant clapping but still, its a long deep debate with "respectable" disagreement which we need more of.

Wow. Zizek dismantled Peterson's nonsense and exposes him for the fraud he always was. Peterson has made a career filling white guy's ears on the horrors of Marxism and evils of communism but it's clear early on that Peterson is a fellow traveler in philosophy/politcial theory and has had never read a anything ever written by Marx himself prior to the debate.

 

[BoxingFan653]

Why do you feel that her tweets need to include references to Christians? Also what is "Islamic supremacy" ?

I'm not Christian and grew up giving religious folk shit. Even as a leftie growing up I think we have crossed the point of decency here imho.

I think any quasi decent human being or quasi intelligent person can look at Hilary and Obama's tweets referring to the bombing in Sri Lanka as Easter worshippers and understand the narrative has gone over board.

I think Obama and Hilary have political teams that write their stuff so I dont have some image of all these lefties doing this on purpose and laughing. However, when you cant even say RIP to Christians but easily bring up the non sense talking points of Islam and white supremacy then you have some real problems.

Lastly what I will say is this. I am Armenian born in Iran (I mention this ad nauseum here sorry). For my people, Islam stands for something very different. We had a genocide in the name of Islam. Islam is a dirty religion through and through. There is no reason for me to accept this cowardly narrative that they are victims.

Tell that to the 1.5 million Armenians killed in the name of Sharia

 

[GelatinousMusic]

This is where the miscommunication starts.

Supporting religious freedom is not the same as supporting the tenets of a specific religion. Supporting your friends and neighbors who come from a specific background is not the same as offering blind support for all others who come from that background.

In many cases, people misconstrue (often intentionally it seems) the messages sent about Islam, immigration, etc. I’ve seen it repeatedly on this forum, and I’ve seen it extended well into the realm of cable news.

Lol please, Omar is the unofficial spokeswoman of the Muslim Brotherhood.

 

[mrbaapt]

I'm not Christian and grew up giving religious folk shit. Even as a leftie growing up I think we have crossed the point of decency here imho.

I think any quasi decent human being or quasi intelligent person can look at Hilary and Obama's tweets referring to the bombing in Sri Lanka as Easter worshippers and understand the narrative has gone over board.

I think Obama and Hilary have political teams that write their stuff so I dont have some image of all these lefties doing this on purpose and laughing. However, when you cant even say RIP to Christians but easily bring up the non sense talking points of Islam and white supremacy then you have some real problems.

Lastly what I will say is this. I am Armenian born in Iran (I mention this ad nauseum here sorry). For my people, Islam stands for something very different. We had a genocide in the name of Islam. Islam is a dirty religion through and through. There is no reason for me to accept this cowardly narrative that they are victims.

Tell that to the 1.5 million Armenians killed in the name of Sharia

Why are you looking at twitter of ex politicians which you despise? I mean they are figureheads with no chance of ever having power again. Is this a legitimate grievance or a conservative talking point you are repeating? I think the latter.

All religions are flawed. Islam never went through a single reformation. At one point in time Christianity was more violent than Islam but thanks to a never ending churn of changes in Europe and the Americas there are now gay christian churches and other divergent permutations which are unrecognizable from the original practices. Religion can become tolerable if the model is just to remove the things that a problematic and start a new version. Do you think if Muslims rewrote their text 18,000 times in 10 different languages and created 20,000 different denominations things would improve? I think yes but ultimately I do not respect anyone's irrational beliefs.

If you want to look for a real example (not involving twitter) when it comes to being underrepresented and complete lack of solidarity look at the Christians of Palestine. Literally every single American church is on board with Palestinian genocide by supporting Israel blindly. Jesus was born in Bethlehem and the entire bible was penned there but you wouldn't know it by the lack of support the thousands of original Christians receive.

 

[waiguoren]

I tried listening to him but had to turn it off after 10 seconds. It sounded like he was choking on his own tongue.

 

[mrbaapt]

I tried listening to him but had to turn it off after 10 seconds. It sounded like he was choking on his own tongue.

Zizek has a lot of tics and he suffered a stroke not too long ago and half of his face was paralyzed but his message is as sharp and insightful as anyone if you have the patience to decipher him.

I always imagined he did a lot of drugs but he claims to have never tried any. I suspect he isn't entirely honest with this point.

 

[Sano]

This is where the miscommunication starts.

Supporting religious freedom is not the same as supporting the tenets of a specific religion. Supporting your friends and neighbors who come from a specific background is not the same as offering blind support for all others who come from that background.

In many cases, people misconstrue (often intentionally it seems) the messages sent about Islam, immigration, etc. I’ve seen it repeatedly on this forum, and I’ve seen it extended well into the realm of cable news.

This is EXACTLY right nac386 and that's the distinction that many (un)willingly do want to accept. I honestly think sometimes it's a lack of intelligence that prevents certain groups of understanding this. It's not about blindly supporting something like Islamistic ideology. In fact, on the contrary you can fight against (religous) extremism and the dangers of religious indoctrination and still realise that many people within a system of faith are not that. If human rights were only extended to someone who shared your skin color, demography and theism/atheism then that would defeat the entire purpose.

I'm not a Christian either and I don't particularly support Christianity, however I would never dream of that letting me cast judgement on every single person coming from a majority Christian country, or wanting to brand them and ban them, or worse.

 

[mrbaapt]

This is EXACTLY right nac386 and that's the distinction that many (un)willingly do want to accept. I honestly think sometimes it's a lack of intelligence that prevents certain groups of understanding this. It's not about blindly supporting something like Islamistic ideology. In fact, on the contrary you can fight against (religous) extremism and the dangers of religious indoctrination and still realise that many people within a system of faith are not that. If human rights were only extended to someone who shared your skin color, demography and theism/atheism then that would defeat the entire purpose.

I'm not a Christian either and I don't particularly support Christianity, however I would never dream of that letting me cast judgement on every single person coming from a majority Christian country, or wanting to brand them and ban them, or worse.

This is how I feel also. I find that suspending judgement immediately exposes my personal biases. I would not support banning any group of people. The solutions to problematic ideologies are never external anyway.

 

[Sano]

Here's a really good video going into some of the faulty logic Peterson expressed during the debate:

 

[Metusalemi]

Here's a really good video going into some of the faulty logic Peterson expressed during the debate:

Thx. Will watch later.

Also recommend everyone to watch/listen this.

"Zizek is a marxist as Peterson is a christian."

 

[forum poster]

Zizek turning Petetson fans onto Carl Marks.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Been listening to him lately and I appreciate the holistic picture he paints about the refugee crisis, Islam etc. His answers seem to align much more with PC police are the death of the left.

What I dont understand is why some of the people here who like him so much are still not listening to what he's saying bout hypersensitivity as it pertains to discussing how Islam and the West cannot coexist. He also underlines that the idea that Islam is in the mess they are in is not only because of the West but also they don't believe in human rights.

Am I missing something here? This guy seems more aligned with my ideologies than lefties. Hopefully this guy catches on more because I respect any one listening to some one like this way more than any moron listening to the view or Rachel Maddow.

I'll never forgive him for his explanation for why Anarcho-syndicalism is flawed.

For an intellectual, this is a very weak response.




What about Anarcho-syndicalism prevents a market economy?

I seem to miss his explanation for why they can't co-exist.

Worker co-ops are the example he is looking for of Anarcho-syndicalism working, and replacing centralized power.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Wow. Zizek dismantled Peterson's nonsense and exposes him for the fraud he always was. Peterson has made a career filling white guy's ears on the horrors of Marxism and evils of communism but it's clear early on that Peterson is a fellow traveler in philosophy/politcial theory and has had never read a anything ever written by Marx himself prior to the debate.

To me Zizek is kind of an idiot.

He is a prime example of the "real communism" has never been tried folk.

For some reason he can't see how the centralized nature of communism, is what makes it corrupt, and ensures "real communism" is never attempted.

Then he shits on decentralized forms of Marxism.

I'm not a fan to say the least.

 

[EradiatedHaggis]

Wow. Zizek dismantled Peterson's nonsense and exposes him for the fraud he always was. Peterson has made a career filling white guy's ears on the horrors of Marxism and evils of communism but it's clear early on that Peterson is a fellow traveler in philosophy/politcial theory and has had never read a anything ever written by Marx himself prior to the debate.

That coked up nitwit didnt dismantle anything other than the inside of his nose and the threads on his shirt he kept pulling at...half of his rebuttals were based on the idea that real communism was never tried before. And its "history" that filled "intelligent" peoples heads with the horrors of marxism and communism...skin color has nothing to do with it. Thanks for injecting identity politics in this though since there wasnt enough horseshit already.

 

[mrbaapt]

That coked up nitwit didnt dismantle anything other than the inside of his nose and the threads on his shirt he kept pulling at...half of his rebuttals were based on the idea that real communism was never tried before.

He's right. Marx and Engels were extremely pro free speech. Tell me which communist regime allowed free speech?

And its "history" that filled "intelligent" peoples heads with the horrors of marxism and communism...skin color has nothing to do with it. Thanks for injecting identity politics in this though since there wasnt enough horseshit already.

Peterson is the official philosopher of white guys under 40 with mild education and no actual investment in political theory.

 

[EradiatedHaggis]

He's right. Marx and Engels were extremely pro free speech. Tell me which communist regime allowed free speech?

Carl Marx is not being debated. Marxism, Socialism and Communism is...as in those that took some of his teachings and created something with it...and you asking which Communist regime allowed free speech is rather funny as it just points out how you didnt even understand the entire debate.

So no wonder you think Zizeks made Peterson look bad...lol...jesus.

Peterson is the official philosopher of white guys under 40 with mild education and no actual investment in political theory.

Comments like this prove that low-brow morons hate him. Tell me oh wise one, where was this great vote that took place that nominated Peterson the "official" philosopher by said age group...let me guess, you are a snowflake soy eating feminist right.

 

[mrbaapt]

Carl Marx is not being debated. Marxism, Socialism and Communism is...as in those that took some of his teachings and created something with it...and you asking which Communist regime allowed free speech is rather funny as it just points out how you didnt even understand the entire debate.

Who is Carl Marx?

So no wonder you think Zizeks made Peterson look bad...lol...jesus.

Zizek eviscerated Peterson. Peterson's only reference for his understanding of Marxism is the "Communist manifesto" which is an abridged document coauthored by Engels, earmarked for workers. He could have read this to right his perspective but he clearly didn't and neither did you.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/ma...tion_to_the_Critique_of_Political_Economy.pdf

Comments like this prove that low-brow morons hate him. Tell me oh wise one, where was this great vote that took place that nominated Peterson the "official" philosopher by said age group...let me guess, you are a snowflake soy eating feminist right.

Lol you can't be serious. It's almost like Peterson if your dad or something. He lost the debate badly and you don't sound like you know enough to even understand the concepts you mention.

 

[EradiatedHaggis]

Who is Carl Marx?

One of the Marx brothers.

Zizek eviscerated Peterson.

I dont expect a communist to understand how things work. Thought is also delegated to the government and handed out in portions...

 

[Losfer Words]

If you drop your ideology, respect for your fellow man flows naturally