Economy EU orders Ireland to make Apple to pay up to 13 billion Euros

[Arkain2K]

Damn, they're probably salivating at the idea of getting the money.

Damn, you probably did not read the OP.

Perhaps @JDragon should update the thread title to help out these confused children. Perhaps something along the line of "E.U says Apple owe Ireland 13 billion euros in taxes. Ireland says there's no such thing".

 

[Madmick]

Lol

Seriously I do not even know how to respond to that. Did you have your morning coffee already?

What about it is absurd? If Ireland signed a deal with Apple that violated tax policies that were part of the European Union, then why is Apple to blame? Apple isn't part of the EU. They never joined that union. They're a corporation in the private sector. They sign their contracts with member states. If a member state affords them a contract which violates the trade union to which the member state belongs, then how in the blue fuck is that Apple's fault or responsibility.

If the EU is going to penalize someone for violating its policies, then the responsibility clearly falls on the offending nation, not the freelancing corporation who is signing deals in order to simply do business with their economic union. Ireland isn't aggrieved, so what exactly is the EU's beef? Clearly they seek to dictate to member nations, now, even what their domestic tax policies will be outside of specific EU agreements.

Here's the funny thing:

1) The E.U ruled that Apple owes Ireland $13 Billion in back taxes.

2) Ireland says there's no such thing, and is going to court to dispute that Apple owes them anything.

If the Ireland refuse to collect the money the E.U court insists that they are owed by Apple, could the E.U punish Ireland?

PS: The complaint from this side of the Atlantic in regards to this taxation matter is from the U.S Department of the Treasury, as expected. Why there are people in this debate actually talking about military bases (a.k.a Department of Defense) is beyond me. It's almost like they think the U.S has a centralized government like China or something.

They already are.

I hate corporate tax avoidance, but the idea of the E.U dictating a European country's tax rates fly straight in the face of Sovereignty. It will be very interesting to see how this court case unfolds, especially during a time when the E.U is in crisis.

Thank God. Yes, here it is.

Seriously fuck apple and they should get taxed the max. What apple did to keep wages low here in America should have turned everyone against them. But Americans love sucking that giant corporate dick.

Scumbag multinational corps gonna scumbag.

Oh, look, the socialists showed up with their grand collective wisdom.

 

[Thames]

What about it is absurd? If Ireland signed a deal with Apple that violated tax policies that were part of the European Union, then why is Apple to blame? Apple isn't part of the EU. They never joined that union. They're a corporation in the private sector. They sign their contracts with member states. If a member state affords them a contract which violates the trade union to which the member state belongs, then how in the blue fuck is that Apple's fault or responsibility.

If the EU is going to penalize someone for violating its policies, then the responsibility clearly falls on the offending nation, not the freelancing corporation who is signing deals in order to simply do business with their economic union. Ireland isn't aggrieved, so what exactly is the EU's beef? Clearly they seek to dictate to member nations, now, even what their domestic tax policies will be outside of specific EU agreements.

You're reading this wrong, though that is probably partly to blame on the thread title.
This is not an order directed at Apple, of course. The EU does not have any "vertical" authority, which is to say that the EU does not have authority, nor interest, over private citizens (including private companies) - except for in very specific areas like in large scale antitrust cases - which is to say that if a private citizen/company is in breach of EU legislation, then it's up to the member state in which the violation takes place to enfore said legislation (and if it doesn't it becomes a case between the member state and the EU commission). This is an "order" directed at Ireland by the commission, which requires that Ireland takes in the taxes that is owed to them by law.

Thank God. Yes, here it is.

No it's not.
First of all this is not the EU dictating tax rates. This is about transfer pricing and double taxation.

The commission said Ireland’s tax arrangements with Apple between 1991 and 2015 had allowed the US company to attribute sales to a “head office” that only existed on paper and could not have generated such profits.

This is not solely an EU undertaking, this is something that OECD nations have been working towards for decades: http://www.oecd.org/ctp/treaties/mo...apital-2015-full-version-9789264239081-en.htm

This legislation is seen as the only (slim) hope of ever making tax avoiding multi-national corporations pay, well, tax. The only way this will work is if all the nations that are part of those treaties, uphold their part of the deal. Which is of course the tricky part, and has so far sadly just been a display of banal game theory in practice.

 

[Madmick]

Lol. Madmick knows what the fuck is up. Can't hide no bullshit from you. This has nothing to do with tax treaties and EU directives, but it's actually a conspiracy to bring down U.S tech giants!

Bitch strawman, and one that demonstrates a clear misinterpretation of the point of that sentiment. No, I haven't misread or misunderstood any of this. You have misunderstood me, though. Wide, wide right.

You're reading this wrong, though that is probably partly to blame on the thread title.

This is not an order directed at Apple, of course. The EU does not have any "vertical" authority, which is to say that the EU does not have authority, nor interest, over private citizens (including private companies) - except for in very specific areas like in large scale antitrust cases - which is to say that if a private citizen/company is in breach of EU legislation, then it's up to the member state in which the violation takes place to enfore said legislation (and if it doesn't it becomes a case between the member state and the EU commission). This is an "order" directed at Ireland by the commission, which requires that Ireland takes in the taxes that is owed to them by law.

I don't care what the thread title is. I know what is happening and I know what it is. It's a cash grab aimed at Apple, and semantics like "antitrust" are purely fabricated semantics surrounding economic situations that have previously arisen in history. The mechanism by which the EU is doing this is irrelevant to me. The reason is that Ireland has already been bailed out by the EU. That establishes a precedent. When a member state fails, wealth is redistributed across this union to compensate for the weak link in the chain.

By going after Ireland for not taxing Apple it's going after Apple's wallet, not Ireland's. It's delivering an imperative to Ireland on how it should conduct business, but it's doing so by deliberately pick-pocketing an American company on behalf of one of its own member states. Furthermore, it's trying to establish a precedent to terrify other member states of forging more favorable corporate contracts that could threaten its greater philosophical approach to the corporate tax structure.

No it's not.
First of all this is not the EU dictating tax rates. This is about transfer pricing and double taxation.


This is not solely an EU undertaking, this is something that OECD nations have been working towards for decades: http://www.oecd.org/ctp/treaties/mo...apital-2015-full-version-9789264239081-en.htm

The only way this will work is if all the nations that are part of those treaties, uphold their part of the deal. Which is of course the tricky part, and has so far sadly just been a display of banal game theory in practice. This legislation is seen as the only (slim) hope of ever making tax avoiding multi-national corporations pay, well, tax.

Yes, yes it is. It's dictating tax policy to a sovereign nation independent of its EU agreements. The rationale that "it only works if everybody agrees!" is sort of a perfect distillation of why socialism sucks dick and has failed everywhere it's been implemented for over a hundred years.

The "my way or the highway" means Apple will find a highway. Britain might have suddenly found the much-needed revenue to sustain its brave foray out of your shitty, imperialist economic union.

Interesting. Got a source?

Also seeing as this is coming right after the E.U. blamed the U.S. for their mutual failure to enact a free trade agreement is telling.

Bingo. Someone sees the larger philosophical battle at stake, here. The EU is now attempting to decree more heavily socialist tax policies on nations and corporations that do business with citizens of its member states. They're still butthurt over the BREXIT and that any nation would dare defy its edicts: economic or otherwise.

U.S companies are currently being targeted all over Europe simply for complying with the tax laws in the countries they set up shop at. Google, Amazon, Starbucks, to name a few.

The European Commission's judgements are generally along this line: "the tax laws in those European tax havens are flawed/illegal, therefore the companies who obeyed those flawed/illegal laws have to pay more taxes retroactively to those governments".

The reaction from those governments are very much similar to Ireland's: "Our tax laws are legal. They don't owe us anything more than what they have already paid".

Strangely enough, the E.U doesn't try to go after the European countries that created those allegely flawed/illegal tax laws and ends this once and for all, but instead continue going after the law-abiding/tax-avoiding corporations one after another, and that's why this will be dragged out in court for years to come. On one side is the European Commission, and on the other side are the governments and companies that supposedly owes money to each other, but refuses to acknowledge such thing.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/21/news/companies/tax-starbucks-fiat-europe/?iid=EL

+1. This summarizes the EU's astoundingly predatory behavior in a nutshell.

 

[second sight]

Earlier this week, the European Commission concluded an enquiry into Apple's European tax situation, concluding that the company owes Ireland $13.5 billion in unpaid taxes. But the case is anything but closed, as both Apple and Ireland have decided to appeal the ruling.

Why doesn't Ireland want Apple to give it about $3,000 per person? Because Ireland thinks that Apple paid all the taxes it owes.

 

[Rod1]

Bitch strawman, and one that demonstrates a clear misinterpretation of the point of that sentiment. No, I haven't misread or misunderstood any of this. You have misunderstood me, though. Wide, wide right.

I don't care what the thread title is. I know what is happening and I know what it is. It's a cash grab aimed at Apple, and semantics like "antitrust" are purely fabricated semantics surrounding economic situations that have previously arisen in history. The mechanism by which the EU is doing this is irrelevant to me. The reason is that Ireland has already been bailed out by the EU. That establishes a precedent. When a member state fails, wealth is redistributed across this union to compensate for the weak link in the chain.

By going after Ireland for not taxing Apple it's going after Apple's wallet, not Ireland's. It's delivering an imperative to Ireland on how it should conduct business, but it's doing so by deliberately pick-pocketing an American company on behalf of one of its own member states. Furthermore, it's trying to establish a precedent to terrify other member states of forging more favorable corporate contracts that could threaten its greater philosophical approach to the corporate tax structure.

Yes, yes it is. It's dictating tax policy to a sovereign nation independent of its EU agreements. The rationale that "it only works if everybody agrees!" is sort of a perfect distillation of why socialism sucks dick and has failed everywhere it's been implemented for over a hundred years.

The "my way or the highway" means Apple will find a highway. Britain might have suddenly found the much-needed revenue to sustain its brave foray out of your shitty, imperialist economic union.

Bingo. Someone sees the larger philosophical battle at stake, here. The EU is now attempting to decree more heavily socialist tax policies on nations and corporations that do business with citizens of its member states. They're still butthurt over the BREXIT and that any nation would dare defy its edicts: economic or otherwise.

+1. This summarizes the EU's astoundingly predatory behavior in a nutshell.

Pickpocketing an American company? did you missed the part where it manipulated the law to avoid paying taxes all these years? Why are Americans such corporate bootlickers?

Tax evasions is probably the biggest issue the global economy is facing and the biggest issue when it comes to wealth inequality.

 

[second sight]

how did this not post earlier?

Earlier this week, the European Commission concluded an enquiry into Apple's European tax situation, concluding that the company owes Ireland $13.5 billion in unpaid taxes. But the case is anything but closed, as both Apple and Ireland have decided to appeal the ruling.

Why doesn't Ireland want Apple to give it about $3,000 per person? Because Ireland thinks that Apple paid all the taxes it owes.

 

[Rod1]

I find it hilarious how when it comes to tax evasions and outright criminal white collar practices its all about gaming the system.

If a country has a tax rate of 10% and somehow the company manages to pay less through agreements and the such in direct violation of existing law its all good.

If thats the case then VW isnt really at fault either, since legally their cars passed the official testing standards, its the fault of EPA for having fault testing to begin with.

 

[Arkain2K]

Apple chief Tim Cook: ‘No one did anything wrong here and Ireland is being picked on... It is total political crap’
By Adrian Weckler and Michael Cogley
01/09/2016

Apple chief executive Tim Cook has angrily dismissed Brussels' tax accusations as "political crap", suggesting that Ireland is being "picked on" and is a pawn in a wider European Commission agenda to harmonise taxes across the EU.

In an exclusive interview with today's Irish Independent, Mr Cook also said that Apple will "go forward" with an expansion in Cork, despite misgivings over future investment across Europe.

"I think we'll work very closely together, as we have the same motivation. No one did anything wrong here and we need to stand together. Ireland is being picked on and this is unacceptable."

Mr Cook strongly rejected the assertion by European Competition Commissioner Margrethe Vestager that Apple paid just 0.005pc tax in Ireland in 2014.

"It's total political crap," he said.

"They just picked a number from I don't know where. In the year that the Commission says we paid that tax figure, we actually paid $400m. We believe that makes us the highest taxpayer in Ireland that year."

On Tuesday, the European Commission ruled that Ireland illegally provided state aid to Apple by not collecting €13bn of taxes owed to it by the tech giant over a 10-year period. Ms Vestager said that Apple had improperly routed taxable income to a subsidiary with no accountable head office.

However, Mr Cook said that Apple and Ireland had "played by the rules" and would win the case on appeal.

In the meantime, he said that the EU’s tax ruling is set to cause serious trade and the US.

“This is a huge overreach that represents retrospective activity and is completely unfair,” he said. “It’s wrong.In the last several years, we’ve had political differences of opinion in the US on this.

But on this one, literally 100pc of the comments are in agreement.”

And he said that “politics at play” was the basis of Apple being targeted by the European Commission.

“I can’t see another explanation for it,” he said.

“This conclusion that the Commission has reached has no basis in law or in fact. So I think it clearly suggests that this is politics at play.”

Mr Cook said that the European Commission may be trying to use state aid laws to alter the tax system possibilities too, but I think it’s clear that there is a desire to harmonise tax rates across the EU. Doing it this way doesn’t seem like the right approach to me. There should be a public discussion about it.”

Mr Cook agreed with the US government finance minister, Jack Lew, that the “retroactive” €13bn tax bill was an attempt by the EU to grab taxes owed to the US treasury.

“I think that’s exactly what it is,” he said. “I think it’s a desire to reallocate taxes that should be paid in the US to the EU.”

Asked whether he believed that the ruling against Apple reflected anti-US company sentiment in the European Union, Mr Cook said that this was “one reason” why the company was targeted in the EU tax ruling.

“I think that Apple was targeted here,” he said.

“And I think that (anti-US sentiment) is one reason why we could have been targeted.

“People in leadership positions in several countries tell me that this is the agenda. I don’t know where that comes from. But what I feel strongly about is that this decision was politically based, of that I’m very confident. There is no reason for it in fact or in law.”

Cook also described the ruling as “maddening and disappointing”.

The Apple boss went on to say the European Commission’s decision came from a political place and that it had no basis in fact or law.

“We’re subject to the statutory rate in Ireland of 12.5pc, we paid $400m in taxes in 2014. We believe we’re the largest taxpayer there,” he said.

The head of the Cupertino giant also denied allegations of ever having a special deal with the Irish Government and said his company were treated like any other in Ireland.

Cook also said the 0.005pc tax rate it is accused of paying the Commission is a “false number”.

“I have no idea where the number came from. Here is the truth, in that year we paid $400m to Ireland and that was based on the statutory rate of 12.5pc.”

http://www.independent.ie/business/...tical-crap-apple-chief-tim-cook-35012145.html

 

[Arkain2K]

Apple tax: Irish cabinet to appeal against EU ruling
2 September 2016

The Irish government said it 'disagrees profoundly' with the ruling ​

The Republic of Ireland's cabinet has agreed to appeal against the European Commission's ruling that Ireland granted undue tax benefits of up to €13bn (£11bn) to Apple.

Taoiseach Enda Kenny said he made no apology for defending the Irish government's right to appeal.

The decision to appeal was agreed by the Irish cabinet on Friday morning.

Apple chief executive Tim Cook said he was "very confident" the ruling would be overturned on appeal.

He called the European Commission's decision "maddening" and "political".

Speaking after the cabinet meeting, Mr Kenny said: "This is about Ireland, it is about our people, it's about us as a sovereign nation, actually setting out what we consider our appropriate policies".

Dail motion

"A motion will come before the Dail (parliament) on Wednesday seeking an endorsement of that decision," said a government spokesman on Friday.

The cabinet first met on Wednesday but decided to adjourn until Friday for "further time to reflect on the issues and to clarify a number of legal and technical issues".

This is a minority Fine Gael government that includes independents.

It is dependent on the support of the main opposition party, Fianna Fáil.

Fianna Fáil has indicated that it wants to see an appeal of the commission's ruling, if only to see who is right - Brussels, or Dublin - on whether or not the Irish government had a secret deal with Apple.

Also at stake is the credibility of the independent tax authority in the Republic, the Revenue Commissioners.

For the government to turn down 13bn euros, equivalent to the country's annual health budget, is a huge political ask.

The government's view is that it is in Ireland's long-term interest not to be seen as a tax haven, but to be seen as transparent regarding its taxation.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37251084

 

[Rod1]

Apple chief Tim Cook: ‘No one did anything wrong here and Ireland is being picked on... It is total political crap’
By Adrian Weckler and Michael Cogley
01/09/2016

http://www.independent.ie/business/...tical-crap-apple-chief-tim-cook-35012145.html

Apple says it paid 400 million in one year the EU says it paid nothing.

One of them is lying, maybe both.

 

[Madmick]

Pickpocketing an American company? did you missed the part where it manipulated the law to avoid paying taxes all these years? Why are Americans such corporate bootlickers?

Tax evasions is probably the biggest issue the global economy is facing and the biggest issue when it comes to wealth inequality.

An American company manipulated Irish law? Are you for real?

Ireland authors its laws, not Apple. If you take issue with "manipulation" of these laws, then your grievance is with Ireland. Pick $13.5bn from their pocket. Why oh why do you think the EU doesn't want to do that? Maybe because it has a direct self-interest in Ireland's economic health while it has none in Apple's...this should take about 2 seconds to figure out.

Why are Europeans such spineless infants who can never accept responsibility for their own decisions and actions? Why are they such imperialist authoritarians who feel they have the right to dictate to others what decisions and actions they take? How very Trump of Merkel.

 

[Rod1]

An American company manipulated Irish law? Are you for real?

Ireland authors its laws, not Apple. If you take issue with "manipulation" of these laws, then your grievance is with Ireland. Pick $13.5bn from their pocket. Why oh why do you think the EU doesn't want to do that? Maybe because it has a direct self-interest in Ireland's economic health while it has none in Apple's...this should take about 2 seconds to figure out.

Why are Europeans such spineless infants who can never accept responsibility for their own decisions and actions? Why are they such imperialist authoritarians who feel they have the right to dictate to others what decisions and actions they take? How very Trump of Merkel.

Just like how Americans pick the pockets of several companies by raising customs on well established supply lines once it thinks another country is playing unfairly on the world trade?

And how is the grievance with Ireland when it was shown that Apple was found avoiding taxes?

As i said before, why is the US punishing VW so hard, when VW was complying with US normativity? the fact that the cars were polluting more than what the Americans tested is inconsequential isnt? its not the fault of VW that American testing was flawed, the VW cars complied with official testing after all.

If Apple can show that it paid Irish corporate taxes then they dont have anything to fear.

 

[Metusalemi]

Essentially they have transformed their country into a sort of tax haven, and combined with bare minimum labour rights, they have become a prime destination for multi-national corporations. But it appears they have gotten a bit too greedy with this one.
I have not looked into the case, but it's important to note that this is "simply" the commission making noise (they do that a lot). This "order" is only worth a damn once the EU court says that it is, and that's probably years into the future.

Lol! You aren't kidding.

 

[Madmick]

Just like how Americans pick the pockets of several companies by raising customs on well established supply lines once it thinks another country is playing unfairly on the world trade?

The Chinese have committed so many transgressions against American IP nobody can cogently position them as an innocent victim in our tariff war.

And how is the grievance with Ireland when it was shown that Apple was found avoiding taxes?

Because it didn't. It paid all the taxes it legally owes according to their code. This is the "Double Irish" loophole. If Ireland wishes to close that loophole by requiring that patent holding companies also hold a residency, then that falls to the Irish government and their people to decide.

As i said before, why is the US punishing VW so hard, when VW was complying with US normativity? the fact that the cars were polluting more than what the Americans tested is inconsequential isnt? its not the fault of VW that American testing was flawed, the VW cars complied with official testing after all.

If Apple can show that it paid Irish corporate taxes then they dont have anything to fear.

Is this truly the best attempt at finding hypocrisy that you can muster?

First, Americans have refined our testing over this scandal, only to avoid further instances of fines imposed after the fact, which is less efficient, and because unlike the Irish we were aggrieved, but second, more importantly, it's not relevant to the Apple case due to the fact VW specifically engineered its vehicles to perform differently in the test than they do on the road. That isn't a loophole, and as such, it did violate our Clean Air Act. The CAA applies to the road. The test is merely administered to determine which cars meet these standards, not to determine which cars meet the fuel efficiency standards for the fuel efficiency test.

Ireland wasn't promised one deal and then delivered another. The Irish government isn't oblivious to its own loophole, and in fact exploits it to attract foreign (mostly American) companies. If they EU wishes to create new trade laws that dictate that member states like Ireland aren't permitted this loophole, then it should have done so beforehand. If it doesn't like that Ireland is permitting this loophole, without grievance, then it should fine Ireland.

The EU is acting unilaterally in order to close Ireland's loophole for them by picking an American company's pocket. They're cracking this whip to intimidate other member states to fall in line out of fear so they none of them creatively attempt to attract foreign business and its added domestic revenue while simultaneously confiscating revenue from a foreign company that goes into a (loosely) collective pool of resources.

 

[CableandThanos]

Just like how Americans pick the pockets of several companies by raising customs on well established supply lines once it thinks another country is playing unfairly on the world trade?

And how is the grievance with Ireland when it was shown that Apple was found avoiding taxes?

As i said before, why is the US punishing VW so hard, when VW was complying with US normativity? the fact that the cars were polluting more than what the Americans tested is inconsequential isnt? its not the fault of VW that American testing was flawed, the VW cars complied with official testing after all.

If Apple can show that it paid Irish corporate taxes then they dont have anything to fear.

UMM funny how Ireland is saying they are not and that apple owes them nothing, who knows irelands tax laws better, you or Ireland?

 

[CableandThanos]

The Chinese have committed so many transgressions against American IP nobody can cogently position them as an innocent victim in our tariff war.

Because it didn't. It paid all the taxes it legally owes according to their code. This is the "Double Irish" loophole. If Ireland wishes to close that loophole by requiring that patent holding companies also hold a residency, then that falls to the Irish government and their people to decide.

Is this truly the best attempt at finding hypocrisy that you can muster?

First, Americans have refined our testing over this scandal, only to avoid further instances of fines imposed after the fact, which is less efficient, and because unlike the Irish we were aggrieved, but second, more importantly, it's not relevant to the Apple case due to the fact VW specifically engineered its vehicles to perform differently in the test than they do on the road. That isn't a loophole, and as such, it did violate our Clean Air Act. The CAA applies to the road. The test is merely administered to determine which cars meet these standards, not to determine which cars meet the fuel efficiency standards for the fuel efficiency test.

Ireland wasn't promised one deal and then delivered another. The Irish government isn't oblivious to its own loophole, and in fact exploits it to attract foreign (mostly American) companies. If they EU wishes to create new trade laws that dictate that member states like Ireland aren't permitted this loophole, then it should have done so beforehand. If it doesn't like that Ireland is permitting this loophole, without grievance, then it should fine Ireland.

The EU is acting unilaterally in order to close Ireland's loophole for them by picking an American company's pocket. They're cracking this whip to intimidate other member states to fall in line out of fear so they none of them creatively attempt to attract foreign business and its added domestic revenue while simultaneously confiscating revenue from a foreign company that goes into a (loosely) collective pool of resources.

Hey hey hey

I don't want to see all that crap you wrote, some poster on here apparently knows Irish tax laws better than Ireland. Isn't Ireland the ones saying, UMMM no apple does not owe us anything. But I guess a sherdog poster knows better than Ireland itself.

 

[Rod1]

The Chinese have committed so many transgressions against American IP nobody can cogently position them as an innocent victim in our tariff war.


Because it didn't. It paid all the taxes it legally owes according to their code. This is the "Double Irish" loophole. If Ireland wishes to close that loophole by requiring that patent holding companies also hold a residency, then that falls to the Irish government and their people to decide.

Is this truly the best attempt at finding hypocrisy that you can muster?

First, Americans have refined our testing over this scandal, only to avoid further instances of fines imposed after the fact, which is less efficient, and because unlike the Irish we were aggrieved, but second, more importantly, it's not relevant to the Apple case due to the fact VW specifically engineered its vehicles to perform differently in the test than they do on the road. That isn't a loophole, and as such, it did violate our Clean Air Act. The CAA applies to the road. The test is merely administered to determine which cars meet these standards, not to determine which cars meet the fuel efficiency standards for the fuel efficiency test.

Ireland wasn't promised one deal and then delivered another. The Irish government isn't oblivious to its own loophole, and in fact exploits it to attract foreign (mostly American) companies. If they EU wishes to create new trade laws that dictate that member states like Ireland aren't permitted this loophole, then it should have done so beforehand. If it doesn't like that Ireland is permitting this loophole, without grievance, then it should fine Ireland.

The EU is acting unilaterally in order to close Ireland's loophole for them by picking an American company's pocket. They're cracking this whip to intimidate other member states to fall in line out of fear so they none of them creatively attempt to attract foreign business and its added domestic revenue while simultaneously confiscating revenue from a foreign company that goes into a (loosely) collective pool of resources.

1.- Not saying the Chinese are innocent, merely pointing out that American authorities will indeed act against individual corporations if said corporations are found to be violating the rules of free trade.

2.- No, it didnt paid all the taxes it owed according to the loophole, unless you claim that Apple operative headquarters are actually in the Cayman Islands.

3.- CCA establishes a normativity for testing, VW fulfilled said normativity. Just like Apple fulfilled Irish normativity by creating shell companies and hiding their money in tax havens on tax havens. Using shell companies and claiming they are HQs or subsidiaries you are basically lying to the system.

4.- Its not like they froze Apple´s assets, they are more than able to pick up and leave or move all their operations to the US and pay taxes there.

5.- I wonder why Americans are getting pissed at this since the whole Apple and Ireland unholy union has also made Apple avoid paying billions of foreign sales taxes in America too.

 

[Rod1]

UMM funny how Ireland is saying they are not and that apple owes them nothing, who knows irelands tax laws better, you or Ireland?

Why dont you read the OT and then open your mouth?

 

[Rod1]

Hey hey hey

I don't want to see all that crap you wrote, some poster on here apparently knows Irish tax laws better than Ireland. Isn't Ireland the ones saying, UMMM no apple does not owe us anything. But I guess a sherdog poster knows better than Ireland itself.

Apparently some poster is unable to read or understand the OT.