Social Erika Kirk

Loiosh said:
He's going to keep saying "free exchange of ideas" because he's pretty ignorant and doesn't really know what that looks like.

Kirk and Crowder didn't exchange ideas, they rehearsed rhetorical tricks and attacks and were there to score points and "win". Kirk specifically relied on appeal to faith so that he didn't have to prove anything or make points that could be factually disputed, and he had a short list of "gotcha" questions designed to make his opponents do all the work. He loved answering questions with questions.

Kirk only "debated" a very narrow list of topics, but he still couldn't handle anyone educated and prepared.
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He invited their professors to come to the mic if they wanted.
 
SKYNET said:
You can point that out as many times as you want, open debate and exchange of ideas on all sides is healthy and necessary. Destiny putting himself out there in public like Kirk would do, are both positive examples that folks on the left should be eager to celebrate and support
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That's a fundamental point that I could certainly never disagree with.
 
I have no reason to suspect she's part of it. I think Candace Owens and Jimmy Dore are complete retards.
 
She looks nice.
I'd have to see the nudes before making
my final judgment however.
 
@GoshiShun17 said: “To me, I see probably the strongest, grieving widow that I've ever seen, bravely pushing to carry on her husband's legacy.”

@GoshiShun17 also said:

GoshiShun17 said:
I understand you thinking this because you know nothing about her. I knew nothing about her either besides the fact that her initial response seemed off and her behaviors that followed seemed not congruent with the situation that we all witnessed.

However if you ever take a moment to see some of her back story you will see that the "frothing hate" you may be noticing is not exclusively from haters of her husband. It's more so because of her backround that is VERY suspect to say the least.
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Speaking of incongruence.
 
Confucamus said:
Negative partisanship like hosting events for open debate and the free exchange of ideas? The guy was traveling 320 days out of the year to do this. Notice this is the exact opposite of what the left wants, which is why they celebrated his death en masse. He never said you had to agree with everything he said. His main point, which he stated thousands of times, was that "once people stop talking, bad things happen." You might not like him, saying his brand was built on negative partisanship is demonstrably false.


A big part of his brand was, as he stated, to debate voters. College age kids are voters. It's a bit condescending to automatically assume college kids are easy work. I've seen some of them bring excellent points in when they debated Kirk. These are the next generation of leaders. Why wouldn't we want to talk to them?
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The point of Kirk's events was to generate clips that play to his base by making liberal college students look bad so that he can post them online. It worked really well but let's call it what it was, farming negative partisanship.
 
SKYNET said:
<PlusJuan> never gave three shits about the guy but open debate with college students of this generation was and still is necessary.

Anyone on the left doing this @Islam Imamate ? I'd love to show them support now that Kirk is dead.
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Someone else pointed out Destiny which would be my example but he's also part of something called the Unf*ck America tour which includes smaller left leaning creators doing similar events. In particular his friend Kyla, known as Notsoerudite online, makes similar content having gone on Fresh and Fit to debate people there from a feminist perspective.

Personally I don't like that kind of content and think it's value is quite overstated, no one really learns from such debates.
 
JoeyJoeJoeJr said:
I have no reason to suspect she's part of it. I think Candace Owens and Jimmy Dore are complete retards.
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When did either of them say she was apart of it? Can you refute any of the claims they did make or are you just talking emotionally?
 
Islam Imamate said:
The point of Kirk's events was to generate clips that play to his base by making liberal college students look bad so that he can post them online. It worked really well but let's call it what it was, farming negative partisanship.
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No, those clips weren't the point. They just bothered you so much. His point was debate and he regularly posted the entire unedited video of his campus debates.
 
Confucamus said:
No, those clips weren't the point. They just bothered you so much. His point was debate and he regularly posted the entire unedited video of his campus debates.
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I didn't really watch his stuff so idk that it bothered me at the time but the point was absolutely to farm clips that play to negative partisanship.

I know he was one of your favorite influencers and so you want to frame his work as having some special significance but at the end of the day what he did was engage in relentless agitprop.
 
Islam Imamate said:
Someone else pointed out Destiny which would be my example but he's also part of something called the Unf*ck America tour which includes smaller left leaning creators doing similar events. In particular his friend Kyla, known as Notsoerudite online, makes similar content having gone on Fresh and Fit to debate people there from a feminist perspective.

Personally I don't like that kind of content and think it's value is quite overstated, no one really learns from such debates.
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it has nothing to do with content. The value is in engagement and exploring ideas. Pop your bubble, no one is going to live forever
 
Islam Imamate said:
There's a reason he debated unprepared college students and its not because he was good at debate.

But even if he was it wouldn't change the fact that he was an asshole.
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They were organised events that would've had to been arranged and the topic would've been shared with the campus ?? And staff could join in if they wanted too??? Is this incorrect?
 
William Huggins said:
They were organised events that would've had to been arranged and the topic would've been shared with the campus ?? And staff could join in if they wanted too??? Is this incorrect?
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Yes, he's debated many of woke professors as well, who oddly enough, came out looking just as bad as those "unprepared" college kids.

What these people making all these claims about what Kirk did are ultimately mad at, is having their ideology put in the spotlight and challenged. None of their positions hold up to the slightest bit of scrutiny, so they always look stupid trying to defend them. They're basically angry that their stupidity was being exposed. That was the sin Kirk was killed for.

But the guy you're talking to, who has all this knowledge about what Kirk did, admits to not seeing much of his stuff. He's literally just parroting talking points he's read on the internet.
 
I can't speak to her motivations or true character, but I will say this woman was put into a most unfortunate situation - both with the death of her husband in such a public and violent manner, and with the aftermath....almost being a bystander to a process taken over by political theatre and messaging.

I assume she didn't have a single moment to really process anything before the vultures had landed and began orchestrating the proceedings. I don't think the woman got a real chance to grieve properly and was thrown into the spotlight as a puppet.
 
Natural Order said:
I can't speak to her motivations or true character, but I will say this woman was put into a most unfortunate situation - both with the death of her husband in such a public and violent manner, and with the aftermath....almost being a bystander to a process taken over by political theatre and messaging.

I assume she didn't have a single moment to really process anything before the vultures had landed and began orchestrating the proceedings. I don't think the woman got a real chance to grieve properly and was thrown into the spotlight as a puppet.
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Agreed,

With the time that has passed since. I believe she has a clear understanding of how she is being used at this time.

She is a willing participant now.

Instead of retreating back into civil life with her children, she has chosen to take up the torch.

I could see her attempting to run for some type of political seat within the next few years, claiming it’s for Charlie.

The fireworks, new clothes, thousands clapping and cheering are a hell of a drug.

Her path has been chosen..
 
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