Crime Eric Clanton, Antifa "Professor Bike Lock" Attacker Arrested!

[WiolentOne]

Of course it does, and with traditional media if he was innocent he'd have had options for legal redress.
There are specific laws which cover what the media are allowed to publish specifically for the reason of ensuring fair trials.
The internet and social media is something the current legislation is ill equipped to deal with.

No, their opinions do not matter to the law. You have the option for a trial by judge or jury. Even with the later they are not merely social media followers with ill informed opinions. They are part of the legal court process privy to evidence and counter evidence from both the prosecution and defense.

 

[WiolentOne]

I'm not defending the guy, I've got no idea if he was guilty.
I'm pointing out the problem of distributing these accusations and narratives. Here as well as on other social media.

You have a problem with free speech then.

 

[WiolentOne]

Yes, the bike lock order was widely reported as "evidence", when it fact it was /pol trolling.

And who outed the trolling? Social media!

 

[Ruprecht]

No, their opinions do not matter to the law. You have the option for a trial by judge or jury. Even with the later they are not merely social media followers with ill informed opinions. They are part of the legal court process privy to evidence and counter evidence from both the prosecution and defense.

Of course they are, that's precisely what those articles pointed out. The degree to which the traditional media blackout on juries is no longer effective.

 

[WiolentOne]

Of course they are, that's precisely what those articles pointed out. The degree to which the traditional media blackout on juries is no longer effective.

That is a legal court issue best addressed with individual jurors not by attacking free speech of everyday people on social media.

 

[Ruprecht]

That is a legal court issue best addressed with individual jurors not by attacking free speech of everyday people on social media.

There are multiple issues.
Some relate simply to how quickly legislation can adapt to changes in technology.
Besides that, there's which method of addressing these problems is going to be effective, now that gag orders clearly aren't.
...and of course there's the ongoing saga of "fake news", "trial by social media" and the effect of technology on all forms of discourse.

 

[WiolentOne]

There are multiple issues.
Some relate simply to how quickly legislation can adapt to changes in technology.
Besides that, there's which method of addressing these problems is going to be effective, now that gag orders clearly aren't.
...and of course there's the ongoing saga of "fake news", "trial by social media" and the effect of technology on all forms of discourse.

I know you're not an American so you don't value free speech like we do.

But regardless of what legislation you advocate or is passed nothing will truly stop the freedom of the internet.

 

[KantoTerror]

He's like 5'2" and 100 lbs with long hair in a pony tail. He's gonna be reeeall popular in prison.

That Pony Tail would cause him enough trouble by itself...

 

[Ruprecht]

I know you're not an American so you don't value free speech like we do.

But regardless of what legislation you advocate or is passed nothing will truly stop the freedom of the internet.

Media blackouts and gag orders on trial participants aren't just an Australian thing.
As I understand it, it's been constitutionally challenged in the US plenty of times, but it's still existed.

 

[KantoTerror]

Of course it does, and with traditional media if he was innocent he'd have had options for legal redress.
Here in Oz there are specific laws which cover what the media are allowed to publish specifically for the reason of ensuring fair trials.
The internet and social media is something the current legislation is ill equipped to deal with.

Don't worry, you won't have protests if he walks...but Imagine if it's the other way around and an Antifa member gets hit in the head and the perp walks...imagine...

 

[WiolentOne]

Media blackouts and gag orders on trial participants aren't just an Australian thing.
As I understand it, it's been constitutionally challenged in the US plenty of times, but it's still existed.

Social media is not traditional media.

We will continue to talk.

Your little aussie opinion included.

 

[Ruprecht]

Don't worry, you won't have protests if he walks...but Imagine if it's the other way around and an Antifa member gets hit in the head and the perp walks...imagine...

Of course not, but the accusations are on the internet for good regardless of how the trial goes.

 

[Ruprecht]

Social media is not traditional media.

We will continue to talk.

Your little aussie opinion included.

Yes, and there will always be low lives that have no problem with mindlessly cut and pasting accusations without regard for the truth.
Now their accusations can have global access, and exposure to information on prominent cases can't be effectively censored, so clearly the legal system needs to be able to handle that.

 

[Dr J]

Antifa coward gets locked away with the Aryan Brotherhood.

 

[jefferz]

Don't worry, you won't have protests if he walks...but Imagine if it's the other way around and an Antifa member gets hit in the head and the perp walks...imagine...

Like this?

 

[dontsnitch]

While the evidence is circumstantial, I think the most damning of it is his height, which they apparently figured out using markers. They had placed him at around 5'3", which along with his general description, including face structure, hair and eye color, etc. makes it much more likely that it's him. If he was of average height, this would not be nearly as damning.

Then you look up who Canton is, and he perfectly matches the description of an anti-fa nut, which is again circumstantial, but the evidence mounts. He is pictured with other protesters in pictures without a mask, basically placing him at several demonstrations.

I think the odds of an innocent person being convicted is very low here, especially considering it is rumored that people confessed. Plus, there's the black back pack.

 

[Gigas]

Like this?

self defense.

 

[WiolentOne]

Yes, and there will always be low lives that have no problem with mindlessly cut and pasting accusations without regard for the truth, and their opinions can have global access, so clearly the legal system needs to be able to handle that.

And what measures would you propose?

 

[DannyNL]

I'm just dumbfounded that a guy like that could actually become a professor and be entrusted with the task of educating and shaping young minds.

A guy who thinks it's a moral and productive thing to go out and smash someone over the head with a bike lock and run away. That's the guy who is educating young people.

Wow.

 

[HereticBD]

I'm just dumbfounded that a guy like that could actually become a professor and be entrusted with the task of educating and shaping young minds.

Isn't one of the leaders of Antifa, an elementary school teacher, or something? That Asian lady you always see in pictures with the bullhorn. Pretty sure she's an educator of some kind too.